Caroline Flack found dead

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Do you have some sort of chart to indicate what in the scale of violence is acceptable or not?

Would you say the same if it was him doing that to her?

The police said there was lots of blood and their body cameras have it captured as well as her confession and they had to restrain her. I guess she didn't like that she was going to be completely found out once it went to court.

She slashed her wrists after the incident.....she was covered in her own blood and that's where the blood on the sheets came from (police and prosecutors were fully aware of this).

Hammer89 wrote: »

Of course it does. I could've told you your own reaction to the picture before I posted it.

And similarly I could have predicted yours.

Why is it only when there’s blood spilling and heads spilt open to people take incidents like this seriously?
Even if there had been no blood or no wound at all, it still would have been unacceptable and completely shameful. Let’s also not forget that she wasn’t only physically abusive to him that night, but also verbally and emotionally. The prosecution described her behaviour as “manipulative”.

I’m tired of having to punctuate each post with the obvious caveat that yes, her death was tragic and sad; but just because she is no longer here doesn’t mean we should absolve her of a crime.

And I’m sorry to go there— but if this gash had been on a woman no one would be minimising it and everyone would be horrified.

Blazer wrote: »

Well he was terrified on the 911 call. But sure Caroline’s sound and a woman so we’ll give her a pass.

It's madness. Making it look as if the CPS are being deliberately vindictive here.
If they think there's a case they'll proceed, if there's nothing to answer then she'll walk. Chances are she would have been lightly dealt with anyway.

As someone said before she made a long term solution to a short term problem. Maybe she was in a spiral or perhaps her advisors and management failed her with their advice. Maybe they were right but she didn't listen, we'll never know.

retro:electro wrote: »

And similarly I could have predicted yours.

Why is it only when there’s blood spilling and heads spilt open to people take incidents like this seriously?
Even if there had been no blood or no wound at all, it still would have been unacceptable and completely shameful. Let’s also not forget that she wasn’t only physically abusive to him that night, but also verbally and emotionally. The prosecution described her behaviour as “manipulative”.

I’m tired of having to punctuate each post with the obvious caveat that yes, her death was tragic and sad; but just because she is no longer here doesn’t mean we should absolve her of a crime..

Oh my god I can't.

retro:electro wrote: »

So if I give you a clather it’s only assault if I draw blood? Is that how you categorise assault?

It’s a typical wound from blunt force trauma. Baffling that anyone would minimise it.

My issue is not that that Flack assaulted her bf (she clearly did) but the way the UK tabloids lied about the incident and made out she launched a frenzied attack on him leaving him in a terrible state and requiring hospitalisation.

There's also the question of whether this should ever have gone to a criminal trial (first time incident and a person with no history of domestic violence or criminality).

Strazdas wrote: »

My issue is not that that Flack assaulted her bf (she clearly did) but the way the UK tabloids lied about the incident and made out she launched a frenzied attack on him leaving him in a terrible state and requiring hospitalisation.

There's also the question of whether this should ever have gone to a criminal trial (first time incident and a person with no history of domestic violence or criminality).

The court was told at the hearing in December that Lewis rang 999 in a panic, thinking he was going to be killed as she had attacked him with a lamp while sleeping. Caroline could be heard in the background screaming dogs abuse. Once police arrived they were both covered in blood, she freaked out, flipped a table, slit her wrists and had to be restrained. When cautioned she freaked out even more and launched a tirade of abuse at Lewis calling him “vile” and an “asshole” and threatened to kill herself. She was also meant to have been “manipulative” towards him.

That was told to the court in December. And that’s before the trial even started and evidence presented.

That is not sensationalised. It also doesn’t sound like an “accident”.

It’s appalling and disgraceful behaviour and had every right to end up before a judge, first time offence or not.

Why object to “tried to cave her boyfriend’s head in”?

What other intention could there be to hitting someone’s head with a hard object?

Hammer89 wrote: »

Except until today we didn't know the extent of the injury. They posted a picture of a blood-laden bedroom and let us connect the dots. They let us assume that the considerable amount of blood in that bedroom stemmed from the attack and that Harleen is not only sensationalism but mass manipulation, the like of which nobody deserves. No matter the crime, the perpetrator deserves to have the version of events portrayed accurately and objectively and that absolutely is not the case here.

The extent of the injury doesn’t matter.

She deliberately struck a defenceless person on the head with a heavy object.

There’s no defending that behaviour or the intent behind it.

ToddDameron wrote: »

The state of people measuring the size of the injury to determine whether or not it qualifies as an assault. Jesus.

The state of fishing for thanks when you know nobody is saying that.

Harleen Quinzel wrote: »

The extent of the injury doesn’t matter.

She deliberately struck a defenceless person on the head with a heavy object.

There’s no defending that behaviour or the intent behind it.

Maybe I'm a big softie but I have defended awful behaviour towards me due to mental health issues in the past. I think people like the sad, tear rolling down the cheek, just talk to someone type depression, they can understand that. The angry, irrational, paranoid, lashing out type is not so understood. Fundamentally good people can do awful things when they are suffering from mental health problems. Anger and lashing out, usually at those closest to you is something that can and does happen with depression.

I don't know, I suppose we all have our own biases at play when it comes to these things.