Caroline Flack found dead

Galwayguy35 · 17-02-2020 04:58PM

optogirl wrote: »

The manager of Liverpool would have more than one reason not to answer questions asked by that absolute rag of a paper

No reason for him to be a dick to someone just doing their job.

KM792 · 17-02-2020 05:01PM

Social Media bla bla.Seriously what did people blame suicide figures on before social media was around?
Her bf was heard telling police "I was normal before I met her" the night she smashed a lamp over his head.Her ex fiance signed a non disclosure and said he had to get out of the relationship before he ended up dead.
She was obviously troubled and wore a path with mental health issues.

Blaming the media for this is unfair when suicide/depression is so muti faceted and complex.
I remember the media being good to her too when she was in her X Factor heyday,they kept her in the spotlight,if they didn't run stories on her through the years she would have been replaced by a younger ambitous tv presenter by now.Remember that.

I buy and read The Sun,I don't care who doesn't like it as a news source.They weren't in the room with her the night she attacked her boyfriend.
Stop always appropriating blame to social media/newspapers.

cmac2009 · 17-02-2020 05:01PM

optogirl wrote: »

it would be pretty much expected that you promote the show/film/book/album you are part of by using social media - could often be written into contracts. Maybe that needs to be looked at and agents/producers etc have to ease off on what they expect from their talent.

Read an article recently with some actor, cannot remember who, and he said that one of the main concerns for studio's these days is how many followers you have etc. That this information is playing a dominant role in the decision making process of who gets the job. Quite sad.

Muahahaha · 17-02-2020 05:02PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Jurgen Klopp refused to take a question from a Sun reporter because of what happened to Caroline Flack, seems a bit silly to take it out on a sports rpporter who is just doing his job.

Liverpool banned all Sun reporters from Anfield in 2017 and as a result have lost the right to host England games, the FA said if you dont let the Sun into the stadium then you cant host our games, Liverpool took a stand and said fine, so be it.

Sun reporters know full well Liverpool do not want to be dealing with them yet they fly a reporter down to the press conference in Madrid. The Sun shouldnt act all insulted when it was they who pissed all over the deaths of 96 Liverpudlians at Hillsborough and still target the city of Liverpool in their coverage to this day.

partyguinness · 17-02-2020 05:03PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No reason for him to be a dick to someone just doing their job.

Oh you see Liverpool love playing the victim. They need to have a Bogey man.

Compare and contrast the big song and dance about Hillsborough (I mean they won't be happy until a guillotine is erected and several people taken off by a torch wielding mob for execution) and the amazingly little to say about the Liverpool football hooligans that caused the deaths of 39 Juventus supporters at Heysel in 85.

givyjoe · 17-02-2020 05:03PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No reason for him to be a dick to someone just doing their job.

He wasn't a dick, he was polite and anyone with a clue as to the context would know why he was politely refusing to answer their questions.

optogirl · 17-02-2020 05:04PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No reason for him to be a dick to someone just doing their job.

TBH I don't feel he has to respond to anyone from that ****rag if he so chooses and it just makes me love him even more, if that's possible.

Hammer89 · 17-02-2020 05:07PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

You've also got to think that the photo of the blood stained bedroom was already leaked by someone in the police so she would have known it was inevitable that the video was going to get leaked too. That in itself would have put huge pressure on her, it wasnt just her career crumbling, it was her whole life forever living in the UK. She would have been a an absolute pariah once that footage got widely seen and shared. Knowing that was going to happen very soon likely tipped her over the edge.

I absolutely love fresh and interesting and empathetic insight like this.

Laura99 · 17-02-2020 05:17PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Jurgen Klopp refused to take a question from a Sun reporter because of what happened to Caroline Flack, seems a bit silly to take it out on a sports rpporter who is just doing his job.

It's nothing to do with Caroline Flack, the video that is being shared is from 2016.

Hannibal_Smith · 17-02-2020 05:20PM

retro:electro wrote: »

If you’re going to deliberately misconstrue every comment I make then I have no desire to continue this conversation with you. My point is that people are using this death for their own self serving reasons. People on social media are stating with absolute certainty that it was social media manslaughter and that nobody should hold a critical opinion of anyone anymore should it lead to them taking their life.

In reality it’s likely to be a situation that was a lot more complex than that. What we do know is she was struggling under the pressure of the impending trial and had anxieties about the footage being used against her. We know that she attempted suicide not only that night, but in a previous volatile relationship with Andrew Brady where an ambulance had to be called with concern to her safety. We know she was in an incredibly vulnerable position and struggling immensely and seemingly had been for years. We know that authorities were called to her home on Friday with concerns to her mental state. So to deduce her death to “trolls” seems completely reductive given the complex situation at hand.

And yes your comment was passive aggressive. If you have something to say then say it outright instead of taking a swipe at me.

It wasnt passive agressive in the slightest and I think i have more than clearly said what I had to. You think that is a swipe? If thats the case then the online beating Caroline got could hardly be described as criticisms, or just being mean. Can you not see how you taking offence to something so simple flies in the face of what you're saying about Carolines treatment?

You have no more of a clue than anyone else as to why Caroline killed herself. You have no basis to denounce any one else's speculation, its as relevant as yours.

retro:electro · 17-02-2020 05:39PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

It wasnt passive agressive in the slightest and I think i have more than clearly said what I had to. You think that is a swipe? If thats the case then the online beating Caroline got could hardly be described as criticisms, or just being mean. Can you not see how you taking offence to something so simple flies in the face of what you're saying about Carolines treatment?

You have no more of a clue than anyone else as to why Caroline killed herself. You have no basis to denounce any one else's speculation, its as relevant as yours.

It was the very definition of a passive aggressive remark. And I’ve never claimed to know the reason behind why she took her life. That’s been my point entirely since I joined this conversation. My whole point is that people are being overly simplistic in their assumptions when in reality she was clearly a very troubled girl with a history of mental struggles. You can’t simplify an extremely complicated and multi faceted decision with as many external aggressors as this has. I’m done replying to you now.

And your last sentence is extremely hypocritical and ironic when you initially scoffed at my post and claimed “why are they bothering with a trial, you have it all sewn up”, because I provided an opinion. Maybe take your own advice.

dubstarr · 17-02-2020 05:52PM

jimwallace197 wrote: »

The saddest thing about all of this is that she felt it was necessary to take her life because of a domestic violence incident and this being more than likely her first offence & the fact she was a female would have more than likely only resulted in a restraining order and suspended sentence, max.

People place too much importance in what other people think of them and their public persona these days, usually people without much substance underneath tend to be like this.

It's sad that she felt the need to take her life, but in a way, this shines more of a light on female domestic abuse on males in relationships which is alot more prevalent that people realize and the pitfalls men face as a result of this. Fight back, go to prison, dont do anything, potentially die or incur a serious injury, call the police, unlikely to be taken seriously anyway unless like in this case she used a weapon to injure him and admitted the assualt at the scene. No win situation and its a serious issue at the moment.

I highly doubt its her first offence.Her last bf moved to Australia to get away from her.He said he signed a NDA.I feel sorry for her but really,its just getting blown out of proportion now.On my FB feed someone has asked me to sign for Carolines Law.

17-02-2020 06:08PM

Laura99 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with Caroline Flack, the video that is being shared is from 2016.

the reason that he wouldn't answer then was 'cos they had gossip articles about a player's (Lovren) private life

https://punchng.com/wont-talk-sun-klopp/

Hannibal_Smith · 17-02-2020 06:16PM

retro:electro wrote: »

It was the very definition of a passive aggressive remark. And I’ve never claimed to know the reason behind why she took her life. That’s been my point entirely since I joined this conversation. My whole point is that people are being overly simplistic in their assumptions when in reality she was clearly a very troubled girl with a history of mental struggles. You can’t simplify an extremely complicated and multi faceted decision with as many external aggressors as this has. I’m done replying to you now.

And your last sentence is extremely hypocritical and ironic when you initially scoffed at my post and claimed “why are they bothering with a trial, you have it all sewn up”, because I provided an opinion. Maybe take your own advice.

For probably the 3rd time, do you not see if you're offended by one simple remark, that some one in a vulnerable state could be affected by the vitriol Caroline got to the extent it would play a part in what happened? That it's not 'ever other idiot on social media', claiming her death was down to trolling, but that it actually might have had an impact on her?

Where did you say it was multi faceted?

OwlsZat · 17-02-2020 06:24PM

Guy on the radio making the point often people say people buying drugs are fuelling the drugs trade and if they didnt the business wouldn't exist. The same could be said of the tabloids. If you want the gossip rags not stalk and troll celebrities. Then don't buy them and the business wouldn't exist. Plenty of hypocrites out there buying the rags and complaining the media were too strong.

17-02-2020 06:32PM

Boy George blaming the CPS. Who'd have thought given he got 15 months for locking up an escort and whipping him with a metal chain.

Imho, Flack wasn't given harsh treatment after the arrest by the tabloids. There were plenty of fluff stories proclaiming how hard by she was done including by Dan Wooton who was vilified on twitter after her death.

She had a history of abusive stories about her and she made her own decision to end her life. Like all else today someone else has to be to blame not the individual themselves. She made her own decision to end her life. No one else can be blamed for that including a toxic social media/tabloid/reality tv grouping.

cloudatlas · 17-02-2020 06:34PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Guy on the radio making the point often people say people buying drugs are fuelling the drugs trade and if they didnt the business wouldn't exist. The same could be said of the tabloids. If you want the gossip rags not stalk and troll celebrities. Then don't buy them and the business wouldn't exist. Plenty of hypocrites out there buying the rags and complaining the media were too strong.

They aren't above criticism though. Jan Moir wrote a disgusting and homophobic piece about the circumstances in which Stephen Gately was found in the wake of his death and it hurt many of those close to Stephen and many complained but at the end of the day it falls under freedom of speech so we have this problem respect vs freedom of speech. How much is too much?

retro:electro · 17-02-2020 06:36PM

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

For probably the 3rd time, do you not see if you're offended by one simple remark, that some one in a vulnerable state could be affected by the vitriol Caroline got to the extent it would play a part in what happened? That it's not 'ever other idiot on social media', claiming her death was down to trolling, but that it actually might have had an impact on her?

Where did you say it was multi faceted?

I’m not offended by your remark. I thought it was stupid and passive aggressive but it didn’t offend me.

And of course if she was receiving vitriol then absolutely that would have contributed to her already fragile state of mind, I’ve never denied that. But I think people are confusing “vitriol” and “trolling” with genuine criticism and discussion around the circumstances of her arrest. People are too interested in playing the blame game and it’s far too simplistic when there are a variant of dynamics at play.

One eyed Jack · 17-02-2020 06:45PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

They aren't above criticism though. Jan Moir wrote a disgusting and homophobic piece about the circumstances in which Stephen Gately was found in the wake of his death and it hurt many of those close to Stephen and many complained but at the end of the day it falls under freedom of speech so we have this problem respect vs freedom of speech. How much is too much?

Jesus that’s going back a few years but I remember at the time she was vilified for that piece by many other journalists and celebrities too who thought it was vile. Just reading back on it on Stephen’s Wikipedia page -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Gately

The social media mob went into overdrive on that occasion too, and the same celebrities who decried bullying on social media stood back and let it happen, because it suited them. They didn’t change anything then either and nothing good came of it, I don’t expect anything good to come of this case either once the social media outcry abates.

That “Caroline’s Law” effort though? Sweet Jesus.

Millicently · 17-02-2020 07:03PM

Kerry Catona on Sky news with one fake tear rolling down her face. Another bat **** crazy 'celebrity' who craves the spotlight. I've lost track now of the number of celebrities jumping on the bandwagon, at this point it just feels like they're using it as an opportunity to get their faces on TV. What's being forgotten here is that the woman was not a victim, she was charged with a very violent assault on her partner and if it had been the other way around and he'd killed himself people would have said he'd done it out of guilt or shame, but because it's a woman the real victim has been sidelined and it's all about her being some sort of victim.

Hannibal_Smith · 17-02-2020 07:28PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I’m not offended by your remark. I thought it was stupid and passive aggressive but it didn’t offend me.

And of course if she was receiving vitriol then absolutely that would have contributed to her already fragile state of mind, I’ve never denied that. But I think people are confusing “vitriol” and “trolling” with genuine criticism and discussion around the circumstances of her arrest. People are too interested in playing the blame game and it’s far too simplistic when there are a variant of dynamics at play.

What she got was genuine criticism. But what you got, that was passive aggression

I'll leave it there before we get told off for bickering

feelthepower · 17-02-2020 07:33PM

Millicently wrote: »

Kerry Catona on Sky news with one fake tear rolling down her face. Another bat **** crazy 'celebrity' who craves the spotlight. I've lost track now of the number of celebrities jumping on the bandwagon, at this point it just feels like they're using it as an opportunity to get their faces on TV. What's being forgotten here is that the woman was not a victim, she was charged with a very violent assault on her partner and if it had been the other way around and he'd killed himself people would have said he'd done it out of guilt or shame, but because it's a woman the real victim has been sidelined and it's all about her being some sort of victim.

If you have ever dealt with someone with a severe mental illness violence is usually part of the parcel. She was obviously very mentally unwell when the assault happened. A lot of people can hold it together but its usually behind closed doors when the demons come worse.

I'm not defending her but mental illness along with paranoia can make people do crazy stuff which is out of character for the person.

Pity she didn't get people supporting her instead of people jumping down her throat at any opportunity they get.

You just sum up why mental illness is not looked at like a real disease by people.

JP Liz V1 · 17-02-2020 07:46PM

I'm confused because celebs and reality stars in particular need the media press and now social media to promote themselves good and bad, if a paper publishes lies they sue, libel, was Lewis or Caroline suing any?

Stephanie Davis of Hollyoaks and CBB now wants to set up Caroline's Law, which is what exactly?

If Caroline was in a bad way on Valentine's day over a social post from her ex and notification of the court case, could her family or friends have stayed with her or got an involuntary hold in a clinic?

Signore Fancy Pants · 17-02-2020 07:50PM

"Caroline's Law"?

Fcuk off ta fcuk with ya!

Boggles · 17-02-2020 07:51PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I'm confused because celebs and reality stars in particular need the media press and now social media to promote themselves good and bad, if a paper publishes lies they sue, libel, was Lewis or Caroline suing any?

It's very expensive and time consuming to sue for libel, with no guarantee that you will win.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

If Caroline was in a bad way on Valentine's day over a social post from her ex and notification of the court case, could her family or friends have stayed with her or got an involuntary hold in a clinic?

Easier said than done.

Purple Mountain · 17-02-2020 07:58PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

That's a new low even for After Hours.

DavidLyons_ · 17-02-2020 07:59PM

Made in Poland wrote: »

The media can be particularly vicious if they find out that a celebrity has assaulted their partner.

Chris Brown for example was treated terribly by the media when he assaulted Rihanna.

Huh??? Hahahaha.

Galwayguy35 · 17-02-2020 07:59PM

Made in Poland wrote: »

The media can be particularly vicious if they find out that a celebrity has assaulted their partner.

Chris Brown for example was treated terribly by the media when he assaulted Rihanna.

No he wasn't, he was nothing but a scumbag so deserved everything that they said about him.

Every horrible thing people do to others these days is excused by mental illness.

DavidLyons_ · 17-02-2020 08:03PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No he wasn't, he was nothing but a scumbag so deserved everything that they said about him.

Every horrible thing people do to others these days is excused by mental illness.

To be fair, I think Made in Poland is making a very fair point. Brown is rightly viewed as utter scum in most right thinking quarters. Flack committed a very similar crime.

Boggles · 17-02-2020 08:06PM

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Brown is rightly viewed as utter scum in most right thinking quarters.

Convicted and sentenced for said crime.

DavidLyons_ wrote: »

Flack committed a very similar crime.

Allegedly.

You do know how the justice system works right?

Caroline Flack found dead

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