Caroline Flack found dead

retro:electro wrote: »

We’ll never know exactly what took place that night.

We will. He's going to reveal it over the coming weeks and months. He's going to continue to deny the CPS version of events and the very sad thing is that it's still going to be perceived as a victim protecting the memory of his abuser by some people. People will believe what he said when he was drunk and hysterical, that she tried to kill him with a lamp - which is what he said during the 999 call - but they won't believe what he has to say when he's sober and of a sounder mind. They'll say what you've suggested, that he retracted the statement because of a stigma against male victims of domestic abuse, or that he's just struck by grief and doesn't want to speak ill of his deceased girlfriend.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve already said it earlier that if someone doesn’t see themselves as a victim (whether it be domestic abuse/intimate partner violence, assault, sexual abuse/violence, etc), I’ve always respected that. What I would never do is try to tell someone they’re a victim, when they say they’re not.

Exactly why the law has changed. So abusers cant hide behind victims. Think a little self education on the psychology/thinking of victims, and why they protect their abusers would be valuable.

Hammer89 wrote: »

We will. He's going to reveal it over the coming weeks and months. He's going to continue to deny the CPS version of events and the very sad thing is that it's still going to be perceived as a victim protecting the memory of his abuser by some people. People will believe what he said when he was drunk and hysterical, that she tried to kill him with a lamp - which is what he said during the 999 call - but they won't believe what he has to say when he's sober and of a sounder mind. They'll say what you've suggested, that he retracted the statement because of a stigma against male victims of domestic abuse, or that he's just struck by grief and doesn't want to speak ill of his deceased girlfriend.

And they very well might be right.
Look, I don’t know if I’m living on another planet or what but I’m just not seeing what the majority online seem to be seeing. It’s a tragic situation of course, awful. But the gushing tributes, the looking for blame in every and any conceivable direction, the outpouring of hate for every troll that ever existed and anyone who has ever dared criticise any human ever. I don’t get it? Judging by what is being reported about her not being able to cope with the pressure of a trial, it doesn’t seem to be the case that she killed herself because people were mean to her on social media. She apparently did a horrible thing and couldn’t cope with what the outcome was going to be. Of course the media ran away with themselves with the story but the press being absolute scumbags when they want to is no news to anyone.

I don’t know. I do agree that the whole thing should have been kept away from the media until a (if a) conviction was made but if reports are to be believed she attacked someone viciously and she was rightly criticised for that. That’s not trolling. If people actually want something to change then they need to actually do something instead of retweeting dumb quotes. They need to lobby for cases like this not to be reported on until there’s a conviction secured.

AryaStark wrote: »

I think that it is terrible that she felt so bad and went so far as to take her own life. It is horrible and her poor family.

I have never liked her though and had huge problems with her dating Harry Styles back when she was. He was 17 and she was 31... that is shocking and I was always amazed that she didn't get more flack for it.

Why? Why did you care so much? Who are you to judge someone else's life choices? It was absolutely none of your business.

This is the problem with social media - it gives everyone a voice, mainly people who's voices aren't worthy of being heard.

Everyone makes mistakes. Count yourself lucky you don't have a hoard of idiots on social media slagging you off when you make an error in life.

RIP to the poor girl, god knows what her twin sister and family are going through right now.

Ninthlife wrote: »

Always thought she was a beautiful looking girl



RIP

I never understood why people comment about looks after a suicide. It's almost as if the better looking they were the more tragic the death.

But it is all ok, ITV have said it will be back on air soon.



With a tribute no less.

jackboy wrote: »

If this is true she was self harming before the arrest, getting fired and all the social media stuff. This would point to mental health issues rather than something external causing her issues.

Apparently she hurt herself when she smashed the lamp over his head while he slept.

He may have been cheating or pissed her of but there is no excuse for attacking somebody while they sleep.

And he loved her and was also much younger then her... he may have been a bit blinkered by that and that is why he wanted the charges dropped.

I hate the tabloid media and feel so bad for her family. I have personal experience with a family member who commit suicide and it is so horrible for the family and every one left behind.

A lot of people seem to be blaming what happened on the media and twitter etc. I don't really follow it but I am not sure she got any more abuse or criticism than most celebs get

An impending trial and the realisation her career was most likely over is probably what got to her the most and led to her seeing no way out.

SusieBlue wrote: »

I think this case is terribly confusing and causing a lot of conflicting emotions in a lot of people.

Like I think if she assaulted her boyfriend, that's despicable and she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I can also recognise that she's innocent until proven guilty.
Hitting someone over the head with a lamp is a serious assault, but the media are so prone to exageration that the context and circumstances of the incident are still unclear.
But if she did it, she's definitely deserving of any criticism that came her way.
On one hand, I think if she assaulted him, its her own fault if the press are tearing her to shreds. On the other, I don't think its fair to hound someone who has yet to be convicted of any crimes.
I definitely think there needs to be more accountability for posting honest, factual stories in the media.

But above all else I think its the saddest thing ever that a woman who had already lost everything had so little hope for the future, gave herself no opportunity for redemption and thought that the only way of handling the pain she was in was to take her own life.
I think that truly is dreadful, just on a human level.

I know everything I said above makes me a hypocrite, but this isn't a clear cut case and I'm so conflicted on it all.

This. It's a horrible case.

One other thing that occurred to me was this: If she had been the aggressor and smashed a lamp over his head and this was documented on the 999 call and on bodycam evidence - with the evidence being so overwhelming, would her PR and management not have pushed for her to admit wrongdoing, plead guilty and do the remorseful press conference? While the public love tearing down a villain, they do also love the celebrity that is willing to do the rehab/community service penance and building them back up again. Why were herself and himself so adamant that it wasn't as it seemed, if there was so much evidence to the contrary?

I've more questions than answers about the whole situation.

Once upon a time I was hit over the head by a drunken partner as I slept. I was left scarred for life and it sent me on a path of irrevocable self-destruction culminating in me nearly doing something drastic.

It was a long hard road to come back from where I was and it took a very long time for me to be a stable human again.

Guards were involved and the person that did it went on with their life. I can safely say at no point did she consider ending her life but she needed to pick up some pieces from the damage she caused and move on too. It’s really horrible but this crap does happen.

Now had she been hacked to breaking point by red tops and stalked by papps then I’m sure things would have been different.

The thing for me in this is that ‘social media’ is being blamed, reality is it’s the red tops and gossip websites that did the harassing her. The woman in question could easily have ignored SM but it’s harder to ignore newspapers and ‘news’ outlets when they are writing about you and in some cases following you to take a picture and hopefully catch you at a weaker moment, sticking the bins out or walking the dog. They are vultures and until we as society stop feeding them with clicks or our money then this will continue.