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efanton · 15-02-2020 02:24AM

ted1 wrote: »

Reread what I said “I’d like to think “
They would be foolish if they didn’t feel the kick up the arse

Yes I agree. At the end of the day some issues should be way beyond party politics and point scoring.

I would like to think the same that FG and FF would make a serious adjustment to their housing policy. I could see FF doing it, personally I cant see FG doing it

ILoveYourVibes · 15-02-2020 02:26AM

efanton wrote: »

Yes I agree. At the end of the day some issues should be way beyond party politics and point scoring.

I would like to think the same that FG and FF would make a serious adjustment to their housing policy. I could see FF doing it, personally I cant see FG doing it

Neither of them will do it.

Both are made up of landlords and 'friendly' in the biblical sense with landlords friendly in a way only a politician can be.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fine-gael-heads-the-landlord-list-as-tds-cash-in-with-property-cwn5j9sv3

The article is about FG but FF are the same if not worse. Neither party will help the housing crisis as its in their personal financial interests to make it worse.

ted1 · 15-02-2020 02:28AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Sinn Fein won the popular vote. They have more seats than FG

No denial but they are left wing, both FF and FG are slightly right of Center and between them have close to 50% and that’s after taking a hammering.

The popular vote difference between FF and SF was less than 2% so not a huge number particularly if you take in to account how bad FF and FG have performed in the last few years

ILoveYourVibes · 15-02-2020 02:31AM

ted1 wrote: »

No denial but they are left wing, both FF and FG are slightly right of Center and between them have close to 50% and that’s after taking a hammering.

The popular vote difference between FF and SF was less than 2% so not a huge number particularly if you take in to account how bad FF and FG have performed in the last few years

I see it differently.

People vote FG or FF because they think that is who will win.

A vote for FG is a vote against FF ..a vote for FF is a vote against FG.

No one likes FF. They wanted to kick FG arse.

If SF becomes a real possibility i could see them taking some voters from both parties ....particularly FF.

Also .....50% voted left .....yet we again have a center right govt ....and tbh ..i would think even people who voted for them ..don't like their policies ...they are just stuck in the its either FF or FG paradigm.

ted1 · 15-02-2020 02:36AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Neither of them will do it.

Both are made up of landlords and 'friendl[/url]

I’ve seen this brandished about and need to correct you , if FG and FF were a landlord party they:
1: would make LPT a council tax payable by tenant
2: not make it compulsory for landlords to take HAP
3: make tenants register with PRTB not landlords
4: not give tenants 6 years tenure after 6 months
5: make it easy to evict non paying tenants
6: make it easy to collect unpaid rent and or damages
7: not charge USC on rental income
8: allow PRTB, LPT and management fees deductible expenses
9: make 100% of mortgage interest deductible
10: not make BER mandatory
11: allow landlords who currently charge below market rate increase it beyond the RPZ limits. As it affects resale value

And I’m sure I’m forgetting other things.

ted1 · 15-02-2020 02:38AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I see it differently.

People vote FG or FF because they think that is who will win.

A vote for FG is a vote against FF ..a vote for FF is a vote against FG.

No one likes FF. They wanted to kick FG arse.

If SF becomes a real possibility i could see them taking some voters from both parties ....particularly FF.

Also .....50% voted left .....yet we again have a center right govt ....and tbh ..i would think even people who voted for them ..don't like their policies ...they are just stuck in the its either FF or FG paradigm.

If 50% voted left they could form a coalition. Many of the independents are FF or FG who didn’t support same sex or abortion and left the party.

IngazZagni · 15-02-2020 02:47AM

efanton wrote: »

Yes I agree. At the end of the day some issues should be way beyond party politics and point scoring.

I would like to think the same that FG and FF would make a serious adjustment to their housing policy. I could see FF doing it, personally I cant see FG doing it

I do see things changing on housing. Residential house construction is ramping up. Thats clear as day.
Thousands of homes have got planning permission in the last few weeks including this week alone with the Connolly quarter with 741 homes and a north east Docklands scheme with over 1000 homes and that's only the big ones.

ted1 · 15-02-2020 02:53AM

IngazZagni wrote: »

I do see things changing on housing. Residential house construction is ramping up. Thats clear as day.
Thousands of homes have got planning permission in the last few weeks including this week alone with the Connolly quarter with 741 homes and a north east Docklands scheme with over 1000 homes and that's only the big ones.

Through in the glass bottoling plant in ringsend, shanganah castle and cherrywood and that several thousand alone in south Dublin

Soulsun · 15-02-2020 02:56AM

I was at a talk 12 years ago In communist party of Ireland base. they had a number of left ideology speakers naturally. One speaker that caught my attention was Eoin OBroin. Regardless of your political views he has class about him and is a future leader.

citysights · 15-02-2020 02:59AM

Whatever they decide to do either form a gov. or go back and vote again a bit of certainty would be nice at least. Kind of in no man’s land at the moment.Maybe by this time next week things will be a bit clearer. Remember back to last election and again gov. took ages to form. Far from ideal imo. Don’t relish the thought of having to vote again in a few weeks though but if it has to be done so be it.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-02-2020 03:58AM

ted1 wrote: »

If 50% voted left they could form a coalition. Many of the independents are FF or FG who didn’t support same sex or abortion and left the party.

Keep telling your deluded self that. I am sure FG and FF will tell themselves the same.

ILoveYourVibes · 15-02-2020 04:00AM

If there is one party FG voters hate its FF and if there is one party FF voters hate its FG.

charlie14 · 15-02-2020 04:58AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

If there is one party FG voters hate its FF and if there is one party FF voters hate its FG.

True, but it looks like they both hate SF.

Gabriel Manigault in his 1884 Political Creed described the sense that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" as a "natural feeling"

ILoveYourVibes · 15-02-2020 07:24AM

charlie14 wrote: »

True, but it looks like they both hate SF.

Gabriel Manigault in his 1884 Political Creed described the sense that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" as a "natural feeling"

Maybe you are right.

I don't think all of their voters hate SF though.

McMurphy · 15-02-2020 09:58AM

ted1 wrote: »

I’ve seen this brandished about and need to correct you , if FG and FF were a landlord party they:
1: would make LPT a council tax payable by tenant
2: not make it compulsory for landlords to take HAP
3: make tenants register with PRTB not landlords
4: not give tenants 6 years tenure after 6 months
5: make it easy to evict non paying tenants
6: make it easy to collect unpaid rent and or damages
7: not charge USC on rental income
8: allow PRTB, LPT and management fees deductible expenses
9: make 100% of mortgage interest deductible
10: not make BER mandatory
11: allow landlords who currently charge below market rate increase it beyond the RPZ limits. As it affects resale value

And I’m sure I’m forgetting other things.

Are you a landlord ted?

ted1 · 15-02-2020 10:17AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Are you a landlord ted?

That’s irrelevant, the list is true and reasons why they are not the landlord party.

ThunbergsAreGo · 15-02-2020 10:21AM

ted1 wrote: »

That’s irrelevant, the list is true and reasons why they are not the landlord party.

What's true isn't really important anymore though is it?

It's all about perception and if you repeat something enough...

McMurphy · 15-02-2020 10:39AM

ted1 wrote: »

That’s irrelevant, the list is true and reasons why they are not the landlord party.

SF don't claim to be a landlord party, they made their election campaign about the rental/housing and health campaign after all, and how certain elements need to be addressed within these sectors.

Irrelevant?

You are obviously not obliged to answer me, we're just two anonymous posters on boards afterall, but I'm getting a clearer picture now of where you're coming from.

is_that_so · 15-02-2020 10:49AM

The Daily Mail guide to Irish elections!

:rolleyes:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005639/DAVID-JONES-IRA-seize-power-Ireland.html

Sir Oxman · 15-02-2020 10:57AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So why did Mary Lou try dorm a government with the leftists knowing the numbers didn't add up.

Would it be maybe she can tell her supporters that she tried but FF and FG wouldn't allow it?

And her loyal comrades will swallow it.

Lies.

There was an absolute outside possibility if all parties agreed plus nearly all indos but her, you and everyone else including me realised that would be a non-runner, Labour barrelling to the backbenches didn't help either.

The other side of it, to form a bigger left minded bloc to negotiate with either of FF or FG.
That's what talking does, no commitments but teases out what is possible/impossible.

I think that's a reasonable stance to take and one that will IMO go down better than the FF or FG public display at the minute.

McMurphy · 15-02-2020 10:57AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The Daily Mail guide to Irish elections! :rolleyes:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005639/DAVID-JONES-IRA-seize-power-Ireland.html

It wouldn't be surprising, if there'd be another rising, said the man from the daily mail.

Sir Oxman · 15-02-2020 11:11AM

ted1 wrote: »

No denial but they are left wing, both FF and FG are slightly right of Center and between them have close to 50% and that’s after taking a hammering.

The popular vote difference between FF and SF was less than 2% so not a huge number particularly if you take in to account how bad FF and FG have performed in the last few years

43.1%
Left 'change' parties 41.9%

Note as always, the 43.1% is continually declining from an average 80% in recent memory.

Loafing Oaf · 15-02-2020 11:25AM

citysights wrote: »

Whatever they decide to do either form a gov. or go back and vote again a bit of certainty would be nice at least. Kind of in no man’s land at the moment.Maybe by this time next week things will be a bit clearer. Remember back to last election and again gov. took ages to form. Far from ideal imo. Don’t relish the thought of having to vote again in a few weeks though but if it has to be done so be it.

Martin has to play things "softly, softly catchee monkey" to bring his party along. If he was standing up this week telling his TDs " Make your minds up guys, it's a deal with FG or another election" he might drive many of the more bloody-minded among them to choose the latter.

FrancieBrady · 15-02-2020 11:31AM

If this coalition comes to pass, it will be a really clear platform to campaign on next time out, whenever that may be.

A vote for either FF or FG is now most definitely a vote for a FF/FG government.

Elmer Blooker · 15-02-2020 11:40AM

McMurphy wrote: »

It wouldn't be surprising, if there'd be another rising, said the man from the daily mail.

The 'Putin funds SF' and 'Russian interference' stuff can't be far off now ... :rolleyes:

Billcarson · 15-02-2020 11:41AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If this coalition comes to pass, it will be a really clear platform to campaign on next time out, whenever that may be.

A vote for either FF or FG is now most definitely a vote for a FF/FG government.

If it happens ff and fg may have won the battle but they could end up losing the war in the long run.

robwen · 15-02-2020 11:41AM

https://twitter.com/BGriffinTD/status/1228299643613851648?s=19

is_that_so · 15-02-2020 11:42AM

Billcarson wrote: »

If it happens ff and fg may have won the battle but they could end up losing the war in the long run.

Not if they fix what's annoying people.

amadangomor · 15-02-2020 11:45AM

Billcarson wrote: »

If it happens ff and fg may have won the battle but they could end up losing the war in the long run.

If Sinn Fein ever got into power it would possibly the last time as their promises would be found out as empty ones

LeinsterDub · 15-02-2020 11:46AM

robwen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BGriffinTD/status/1228299643613851648?s=19

Which is fairly rich coming from a FG TD. Who've ruled out any coalition

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