What have we come to

gormdubhgorm · 13-02-2020 10:02AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, catch yourself on.

I used to hear this Ulster phrase all the time on the comedy 'Give my head some peace'

Oh the memories.

FrancieBrady · 13-02-2020 10:17AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I used to hear this Ulster phrase all the time on the comedy 'Give my head some peace'

Oh the memories.

Common parlance in these parts.

13-02-2020 10:20AM

One of the most frustrating things about this election is the amount of people that think that things can’t get any worse, as if we are living in some third world country.

The country is near to full employment. We have lots of large multinational companies providing jobs. Shopping centres are packed every day. Pubs are buzzing. Nearly everybody has luxuries like broadband, satellite TV, Netflix, Spotify, smart phones. The economy is doing well. House prices and rent are showing signs of levelling off. Help to buy has helped many people buy new build A rated homes. Even the welfare is extremely generous! People are getting a Xmas bonus.

Of course we have issues in society, that will never change. But thinking it can’t get any worse..... that’s naive. It can always get way worse.

We don’t need the Celtic tiger back. I’d prefer slow and steady progress over boom and bust.

joseywhales · 13-02-2020 10:36AM

I think expectations are too high, like every person that needs a home should have a home, this has never been historically true and certainly not a home for just you and your family that passes building code standards. Be thankful you aren't living in a shed with an open sewer outside, polio and a 50% loss of your children which are too numerous to feed, lol

storker · 13-02-2020 10:39AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The dangers of not knowing your history.

You know that Hume's idea of taking people out onto the streets was the key act that brought the decades of oppression, gerrymandering and inequality to the boil?

And what caused him to take people out on the streets?

FrancieBrady · 13-02-2020 10:46AM

storker wrote: »

And what caused him to take people out on the streets?

Cupatae · 13-02-2020 11:22AM

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

.2% of the population living in state-funded hotel rooms waiting for their free forever homes and things costing money in one of the most wealthy countries in the world is apparently the worst thing ever.

We need more free stuff that "de rich" are going to pay for!

Wealth for who ? Tell me who's gonna be buying a decent house in Dublin ? Average Joe on a minimum hell even middle of the road job or is it de richz you talk about ?

It's like this mythical economic upturn that apparently only de rich can see at min.

I'd say those .2% are loving life living with there kids in a hotel room, they wouldn't change it if they could maybe they should try take a minimum wage job and work there way up to buy a house oooh **** that's rights child care + basic living would prob have them in a deficit ,

But ya carry on, cause it's all as clear cut and easy as you make it out to be... spoken like someone who never wanted for a thing in his life I'd say mammy and daddy paid ur car college and housed ya till, yeah got to ur hard earned easy life.

But ya Irelands fine everything is good nothing to see here.

PommieBast · 13-02-2020 12:38PM

tjhook wrote: »

Both FF and FG have said before the election that they wouldn't go into coalition with SF, so it's fair to assume that the voters who voted FF/FG voted with that knowledge.

I thought the No-To-SF was more Micheal Martin than FF as a whole. If FF-SF comes onto the agenda, he will have to go..

GreenandRed · 13-02-2020 12:38PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nope, less than 3 years and out of government with less TDs than June 2017. Out polled by a Shinner. 5th count before he was deemed elected. Can't remember any other sitting Taoiseach failing to get elected on the first count.

I wonder if he ever genuinely regrets his 'people who get up early in the morning’ comment? For him it was well meaning, an attempt to display empathy, but for many it came across as condescending and showing a man who didn't seem to see beyond the pale, even if he did.

holyhead · 13-02-2020 12:44PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, catch yourself on. He played a part in what happened though, just like many others did. When you take to the streets your intention is to 'confront' and bring things to a head. Hume was to the forefront of that movement so he played his part. Sanitise it all you want.

And in this case Brendan is right. It is off topic.

I don’t need to cop myself on thank you. John Hume was a man of peace and to somehow attach blame to him for the troubles is absurd.

Idbatterim · 13-02-2020 12:47PM

Bill 2.0 wrote: »

.2% of the population living in state-funded hotel rooms waiting for their free forever homes and things costing money in one of the most wealthy countries in the world is apparently the worst thing ever.

We need more free stuff that "de rich" are going to pay for!

the bloody irony, that it is people living in kips themselves or at home etc, paying for the hotels and free luxury accomodation in dundrum and we wonder why a lot of workers are screwed on housing?!

the top and companies may be taking the piss , they sure as hell can pay more. Why should the workers at the bottom on low to modest wages, be paying for this **** show, when they themselves are FCUKED?!

FrancieBrady · 13-02-2020 01:01PM

holyhead wrote: »

I don’t need to cop myself on thank you. John Hume was a man of peace and to somehow attach blame to him for the troubles is absurd.

If somebody cannot mention that 'John Hume played a part in the troubles beginning' then you do need to cop yourself on, to be honest.

holyhead · 13-02-2020 01:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If somebody cannot mention that 'John Hume played a part in the troubles beginning' then you do need to cop yourself on, to be honest.

You just don’t give up do you. If you can’t respect a fellow poster then don’t post!

blanch152 · 13-02-2020 01:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If somebody cannot mention that 'John Hume played a part in the troubles beginning' then you do need to cop yourself on, to be honest.

No he didn't, no more than any other victim of the SF/IRA campaign in the North.

Not surprised to see victim blaming.

I see sheep · 13-02-2020 01:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We don’t need the Celtic tiger back. I’d prefer slow and steady progress over boom and bust.

Why are you associating SF with boom and bust?

holyhead · 13-02-2020 01:19PM

How long can the impasse of no new government last until an election is triggered?

FrancieBrady · 13-02-2020 01:20PM

holyhead wrote: »

You just don’t give up do you. If you can’t respect a fellow poster then don’t post!

I have zero respect for a poster who will manipulate others posts.

'Playing a part in the start of the troubles' does not equal 'blame' for the troubles starting'.

FrancieBrady · 13-02-2020 01:22PM

holyhead wrote: »

How long can the impasse of no new government last until an election is triggered?

This went on for 53 days last time.

holyhead · 13-02-2020 01:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have zero respect for a poster who will manipulate others posts.

'Playing a part in the start of the troubles' does not equal 'blame' for the troubles starting'.

There is a world of difference between peaceful marching and activities of the IRA/SF.

Yurt2 · 13-02-2020 01:33PM

holyhead wrote: »

How long can the impasse of no new government last until an election is triggered?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/president-higgins-government-formation-2709445-Apr2016/%3famp=1

Here was some of the chatter around the President's role from the last time out.

FrancieBrady · 13-02-2020 01:36PM

holyhead wrote: »

There is a world of difference between peaceful marching and activities of the IRA/SF.

Who said anything different?

No peaceful marches, no violent reactions, no escalation.

machaseh · 13-02-2020 02:04PM

holyhead wrote: »

There is a world of difference between peaceful marching and activities of the IRA/SF.

The IRA of the past is not today's SF. Irish people need to stop yammering on about the past all the time and look towards the future.

There are still IRA remnants that exist today, but they are mostly just a glorified mafia. SF wouldn't support them now.

Tony EH · 13-02-2020 02:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We don’t need the Celtic tiger back. I’d prefer slow and steady progress over boom and bust.

So would a lot of folk. But you'll be left waiting if FFG were still dominant. They have no intention of moving away from the neo liberal, boom and bust style of nonsense economics that only benefits those with the wealth to ride out the bad times.

We need to get away from this way of governing if future generations are to actually have a future.

We need a system that allows regulated growth and easing when necessary, that benefits everyone, and doesn't drive the country off a cliff when the plateau is reached. But what we have with FFG is a party that crashed the country and another who learned absolutely nothing from 2008.

In short, just not good enough.

tayto lover · 13-02-2020 02:12PM

machaseh wrote: »

The IRA of the past is not today's SF. Irish people need to stop yammering on about the past all the time and look towards the future.

There are still IRA remnants that exist today, but they are mostly just a glorified mafia. SF wouldn't support them now.

You’d want to tell that to David Cullinane.
He embarrassed his party and set them back a good bit by putting doubts in people’s minds regarding them moving on.

jmayo · 13-02-2020 02:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The dangers of not knowing your history.

You know that Hume's idea of taking people out onto the streets was the key act that brought the decades of oppression, gerrymandering and inequality to the boil?

When you bring something to the boil...the lid generally comes off.

Hume and the people he led were the problem in NI in the 60's just as much as the Unionists were.
Add in criminally inept British and Irish governments and you had a heady mix. The IRA were not interested and were almost defunct in the early to middle 60's.
What would have happened had Hume listened to his many detractors and stayed off the streets?
When you let the lid come off, it can sadly morph into something else and in Ireland's case, some identified the root cause of the problem as partition (and I cannot argue with them nor as it happens could John Hume) and a continued occupation of this island. When Hume recognised that all his initiatives were never going to work...Sunningdale - The Anglo Irish Forum etc. there is NO DOUBT he stepped up to the plate and initiated the talks that led to the a solution. And he should forever be lionised for his part in that. (Mallon, McGrady and the rest of the SDLP forced him to do it as a solo run to 'protect the party BTW)

Stop trying to sanitise people. It does your argument no favours.

What are you trying to intimate with that statement ?
Are you seriously trying to lay blame on John Hume for the troubles.
Because to me that entire post is slanted that way, if he hadn't bothered protesting there would be no troubles.
By fook that is one giant leap.
Hume and the people he led ????

As we say down our way, "francie you are some fooking tulip."

Hume never encouraged anyone to kill anyone else.
Hume never encouraged anyone to continue the slaughter.

machaseh wrote: »

The IRA of the past is not today's SF. Irish people need to stop yammering on about the past all the time and look towards the future.

There are still IRA remnants that exist today, but they are mostly just a glorified mafia. SF wouldn't support them now.

Funny how sinn fein and it's supporters want to forget the past and look towards the future when it suits them.

Also why are sinn fein so against the Special Criminal Court if they have no connections with anyone that might face it ?

FarmerBrowne · 13-02-2020 02:25PM

Heard a bit of MLMD addressing her party today, gave lip service to health and homelessness but waffled on for ages on a referendum for a United Ireland. This seems to be their big one so they can give the 2 fingers to unionists, would be more in their line to focus in on trying to plan how they are going to implement their ludicrous election objectives than harping on about a United Ireland that most people really couldn't less care about or don't want.

FrancieBrady · 13-02-2020 02:28PM

jmayo wrote: »

What are you trying to intimate with that statement ?
Are you seriously trying to lay blame on John Hume for the troubles.
Because to me that entire post is slanted that way, if he hadn't bothered protesting there would be no troubles.
By fook that is one giant leap.
Hume and the people he led ????

As we say down our way, "francie you are some fooking tulip."

Hume never encouraged anyone to kill anyone else.
Hume never encouraged anyone to continue the slaughter.

Hume led the civil rights movement, which provoked violent reaction for the state security forces and that escalated tensions leading to the lid coming off.

Hume 'played a part' in the beginning of the modern conflict/war.

If you had had no civil rights you would have no British troops deployed, no Burntollet, no Bloody Sunday and no re-emergence of the IRA.

Nobody is blaming Hume. but he most certainly was involved and played a part....relax in your kaks there.

I see sheep · 13-02-2020 02:34PM

FarmerBrowne wrote: »

waffled on for ages on a referendum for a United Ireland. This seems to be their big one

It's the reason SF exists, what do you expect

I'm about to shock you but having radical green environmental protection policies is the Green Party's 'big one'

FarmerBrowne · 13-02-2020 02:37PM

I see sheep wrote: »

It's the reason SF exists, what do you expect

I'm about to shock you but having radical green environmental protection policies is the Green Party's 'big one'

Exactly but why in the name of God did they get to where they got to in the election based on an issue like a United Ireland where nobody really cares. There are far more pressing issues that you might want to vote a party into power on.

quokula · 13-02-2020 02:38PM

Tony EH wrote: »

So would a lot of folk. But you'll be left waiting if FFG were still dominant. They have no intention of moving away from the neo liberal, boom and bust style of nonsense economics that only benefits those with the wealth to ride out the bad times.

We need to get away from this way of governing if future generations are to actually have a future.

We need a system that allows regulated growth and easing when necessary, that benefits everyone, and doesn't drive the country off a cliff when the plateau is reached. But what we have with FFG is a party that crashed the country and another who learned absolutely nothing from 2008.

In short, just not good enough.

If you say you want slow sustainable improvements, how does kicking out the government within a couple of years of them balancing the budget because they haven't immediately magically fixed everything help with that?

What have we come to

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