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  • #2072
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,126 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Where did she say 'she can'? She said she wants to try. Are you looking for brickbats to throw again blanch? Second video on this page.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/election-2020/2020/0211/1114491-election-outcome-government/


    Are you saying she can't? The numbers are there Frankie, 86 non-FFG seats, just use her diplomatic and negotiating skills and she'll get there.

    Fair play if she does, and I hope the government works out for her, but I don't believe she has it.


  • #2073
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,286 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Are you saying she can't? The numbers are there Frankie, 86 non-FFG seats, just use her diplomatic and negotiating skills and she'll get there.

    Fair play if she does, and I hope the government works out for her, but I don't believe she has it.

    I agree with her...it is going to be difficult.

    And I am prepared to wait and see before judging.


  • #2074
    bmc58
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭bmc58


    rtron wrote: »
    Let's just get it over with.
    Vote them in.
    Watch them feck up the country.
    Then revote FF in 4 or 7 years whatever it is.

    Seem to remember FF doing a "feck up" on the country last time.Have you forgotten?


  • #2075
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It has worn thin already.

    An English neighbour of mine was telling me earlier that there were fellas in his workplace apologising to him for Cullinane saying they didn't realise what they were voting for.

    Jaysus Enda Kenny is posting on Boards now. lol. This is almost as believable as your claim that you are really a Green party supporter.


  • #2076
    storker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,739 ✭✭✭storker


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It's all Leo's fault with his 'virulent nationalism'. The English say so!

    Ah yes, Planet Telegraph with its finger so delicately placed on the Irish pulse, never missing a detail or a nuance...


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  • #2077
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It's all Leo's fault with his 'virulent nationalism'. The English say so!

    Well, it's as valid a theory as your, 'the young are all stupid', or maybe both of you are desperately looking for excuses?

    It is just human nature. Some votes for Sinn Fein because they are like the duurty girlfriend that promises all sorts of pleasures, but it is only a short term thing not marriage material. SF would open thier legs for anyone DUP FF etc to get into power.

    The irony is what Leo is being critiqued for, SF have done much worse in NI .... but sure who cares about NI?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #2078
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,286 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    It is just human nature. Some votes for Sinn Fein because they are like the duurty girlfriend that promises all sorts of pleasures, but it is only a short term thing not marriage material. SF would open thier legs for anyone DUP FF etc to get into power.

    The irony is what Leo is being critiqued for, SF have done much worse in NI .... but sure who cares about NI?

    And we pivot again...like a drunken ballerina.

    SF only want to be in opposition...now they would do anything for power.


  • #2079
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Your post was off topic and a very transparent dig at "de thick Brits".

    Ignoring that SF voters were largely Brexiteers with country songs.

    That's how you view the world.
    It was specifically about how the BBC's John Simpson believed Brexit was the main reason for voting as we did. I commented on their disinterest in the realities on the ground and I included two comments regarding thoughts about any trade negotiations. I have British family I'm very fond of and I've lived in England, so grow up and get out of the team bunker.

    Pathetic. It was about housing, health and homelessness, not a UI and you know it.


  • #2080
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Glad I voted SF now, just to see people lose their **** haha


  • #2081
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,157 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And we pivot again...like a drunken ballerina.

    SF only want to be in opposition...now they would do anything for power.

    Well, just like in every other party there are clearly a few schools of thought in SF. There's one that wants to use this opportunity to grab power now that it is within their grasp. There's another that takes a longer term view - going into opposition could easily be spun as the establishment defying the will of the people leaving SF much more likely to return something much closer to a single SF party majority next time around. They would of course be the only real opposition party, getting the appropriate airtime that comes with that position.


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  • #2082
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Well, just like in every other party there are clearly a few schools of thought in SF. There's one that wants to use this opportunity to grab power now that it is within their grasp. There's another that takes a longer term view - going into opposition could easily be spun as the establishment defying the will of the people leaving SF much more likely to return something much closer to a single SF party majority next time around. They would of course be the only real opposition party, getting the appropriate airtime that comes with that position.

    I believe your are taking the views of individuals on Boards and assigning them to SF party policy. It's a weighing of scenarios really.


  • #2083
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,286 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Well, just like in every other party there are clearly a few schools of thought in SF. There's one that wants to use this opportunity to grab power now that it is within their grasp. There's another that takes a longer term view - going into opposition could easily be spun as the establishment defying the will of the people leaving SF much more likely to return something much closer to a single SF party majority next time around. They would of course be the only real opposition party, getting the appropriate airtime that comes with that position.

    I accept that there are many views within a party. But all we can do is take the view postulated by the leader.
    The FG leader has expressed the view that they are going into opposition without making any effort to get into government even though there may be opportunities.

    If SF expressed that view the lid would come off this forum as certain posters wore the pads off their little fingers, typing.


  • #2084
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,353 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yet Leo, ignoring the mandate he has been given, has said he is going into opposition and wants to be there.

    If SF fail, there is then a path to government for both FF and FG without breaking their pledge to not go in with SF.

    When the government party loses TDs so that it's not the major party let alone in the top two then it's clear the mandate is not to be in government.

    If you want to insist about a mandate then surely all the left leaning parties and independents have been given a mandate to govern? Especially as they outnumber the parties in the outgoing S&C. After all they all sought to be elected to change the current government policies.


  • #2085
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If SF expressed that view the lid would come off this forum as certain posters wore the pads off their little fingers, typing.


    'Don't look at us, we lost the election'


    *mass hiding behind a potted plant hoping no one will ask them to form a coalition*


  • #2086
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    When the government party loses TDs so that it's not the major party let alone in the top two then it's clear the mandate is not to be in government.

    If you want to insist about a mandate then surely all the left leaning parties and independents have been given a mandate to govern? Especially as they outnumber the parties in the outgoing S&C. After all they all sought to be elected to change the current government policies.

    So FG aren't top dog, so why bother. I'm sure their supporters are impressed.


  • #2087
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    That's an exaggeration bordering on a lie.
    I was speaking on the british view of Ireland and how they feel brexit played a major role in how we voted, so yes, you're talking sh*te.

    It's a given for me, (their past).
    You are poor at this. I was speaking on the effect or non-effect of brexit on our vote as seen from Britain. You comments are a fraud.

    Do you have generic replies set out for anything you deem against sf, I merely asked you what the negatives of them getting power would be...

    And you are screaming I'm a fraud, I'm wasting your time , continuing the same tactics (I'd like to know which)

    It was a straight forward question asked to see if you were level headed in your views but you are clearly unwilling to be either wrong or open to other people's points no matter how backed up they maybe ,

    You are abit too fanatical tbh it's hard to discuss any points with you, carry on.


  • #2088
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,286 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    When the government party loses TDs so that it's not the major party let alone in the top two then it's clear the mandate is not to be in government.

    If you want to insist about a mandate then surely all the left leaning parties and independents have been given a mandate to govern? Especially as they outnumber the parties in the outgoing S&C. After all they all sought to be elected to change the current government policies.

    Yes and they all appear to be trying to reach an agreement that is acceptable.

    Leo, has decided to take his team off the pitch though before the hunt for a government has even begun.

    They wouldn't have been able to put a government together 4 years ago if FF took the huff they are taking now.


  • #2089
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Do you have generic replies set out for anything you deem against sf, I merely asked you what the negatives of them getting power would be...

    And you are screaming I'm a fraud, I'm wasting your time , continuing the same tactics (I'd like to know which)

    It was a straight forward question asked to see if you were level headed in your views but you are clearly unwilling to be either wrong or open to other people's points no matter how backed up they maybe ,

    You are abit too fanatical tbh it's hard to discuss any points with you, carry on.

    Sure there'll be a few team mongos who are more interested in their party than the country, but they don't want to genuinely discuss anything any way. It's all about digs and one-up-manship which can be fun on occasion when in context TBF.

    Fraud because you are only trying to score points.

    I answered your question even though it didn't relate to my comment. Bit of a ninja edit, in before the bell, so you may have missed it. Basically I know SF have baggage. It's to be expected. I've no interest in mentioning it every time I post on anything.

    This would be an example of your fraud. Pretending you want to discuss when you only want to get in digs. If FG were any good myself and others would have given them a vote. That's the harsh FG reality.


  • #2090
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,353 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    US2 wrote: »
    Glad I voted SF now, just to see people lose their **** haha

    What's your opinion of SF policy to bring the retirement age back to 65? Don't care that we aren't preparing for the evitable inability to support pension payments in the future?


  • #2091
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    That's how you view the world.
    It was specifically about how the BBC's John Simpson believed Brexit was the main reason for voting as we did. I commented on their disinterest in the realities on the ground and I included two comments regarding thoughts about any trade negotiations. I have British family I'm very fond of and I've lived in England, so grow up and get out of the team bunker.

    Pathetic. It was about housing, health and homelessness, not a UI and you know it.

    This is getting boring. Someone should tell the newly elected TDs singing The Wolftones and shouting up the RA that it wasn't about a UI.


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  • #2092
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,353 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yes and they all appear to be trying to reach an agreement that is acceptable.

    Leo, has decided to take his team off the pitch though before the hunt for a government has even begun.

    They wouldn't have been able to put a government together 4 years ago if FF took the huff they are taking now.

    All we've heard of for years is FFG, two cheeks.
    The message couldn't be clearer. You've been vocal in your criticism about FG governing, yet now you're complaining about Leo taking his team of the pitch? Are you saying that FG should now go into government ?


  • #2093
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yes and they all appear to be trying to reach an agreement that is acceptable.

    Leo, has decided to take his team off the pitch though before the hunt for a government has even begun.

    They wouldn't have been able to put a government together 4 years ago if FF took the huff they are taking now.

    This kind of comparison assumes all parties are the same. SF are very different however.
    The recent surge has sent me googling and I've learned a lot. Take the O'Snodaigh affair with IRA pals noting movements of elected politicians. Chilling reading. I was out of Ireland in those years.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aengus_%C3%93_Snodaigh#Leinster_House_IRA_spy_ring

    FF and FG for all their faults aren't that level of terrorist scum. SF are different. I'm left wondering now if their voters, one quarter of people on any street, either don't know or don't care.


  • #2094
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    All we've heard of for years is FFG, two cheeks.
    The message couldn't be clearer. You've been vocal in your criticism about FG governing, yet now you're complaining about Leo taking his team of the pitch? Are you saying that FG should now go into government ?


    They deserve to be raked over the coals because a favored tactic of theirs was to point at the opposition benches and tell them they're running scared of responsibility and government.

    So now the party of competence and taking the mantle of responsibility are in fact neither.

    It's more than worth pointing out and drawing people's attention to.


  • #2095
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,286 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    All we've heard of for years is FFG, two cheeks.
    The message couldn't be clearer. You've been vocal in your criticism about FG governing, yet now you're complaining about Leo taking his team of the pitch? Are you saying that FG should now go into government ?

    No.

    If you have missed the point to that extent then I can't help.


  • #2096
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Ush1 wrote: »
    This is getting boring. Someone should tell the newly elected TDs singing The Wolftones and shouting up the RA that it wasn't about a UI.

    If you believe SF got as much support as they did on the promise of a UI, you're not worth taking seriously.
    I suspect this was another little snidey remark at the expensive of your credibility.


  • #2097
    Cupatae
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Sure there'll be a few team mongos who are more interested in their party than the country, but they don't want to genuinely discuss anything any way. It's all about digs and one-up-manship which can be fun on occasion when in context TBF.

    Fraud because you are only trying to score points.

    I answered your question even though it didn't relate to my comment. Bit of a ninja edit, in before the bell, so you may have missed it. Basically I know SF have baggage. It's to be expected. I've no interest in mentioning it every time I post on anything.

    This would be an example of your fraud. Pretending you want to discuss when you only want to get in digs. If FG were any good myself and others would have given them a vote. That's the harsh FG reality.

    I don't think you understand what the word fraud means, and Infairness for the most part , you are either throwing out hollow answers , deflecting or just outright **** slinging , your on about scoring point ? Points for what ?

    Calling everyone and anyone Mongo's frauds and liars that aren't on the same hymn sheet as you.

    All the while writing off the negatives of SF as " Abit of baggage" lol that's a stretch even for those that want to believe...


  • #2098
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    If you believe SF got as much support as they did on the promise of a UI, you're not worth taking seriously.
    I suspect this was another little snidey remark at the expensive of your credibility.

    You really are missing the point of this thread.


  • #2099
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Folks I think this will help solve the impasse



  • #2100
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And we pivot again...like a drunken ballerina.

    SF only want to be in opposition...now they would do anything for power.

    They do at the moment, but they have little choice now thier surprise increase has shocked them, they might never be as high again. The electorate might never be as gullible again.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #2101
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    Every politician in Ireland, good, bad or indifferent needs a clap on the back for having to listen to barstool politician gobshi+es like us here.


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