GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Kermit.de.frog · 12-02-2020 09:15AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

lets see them enact their fantasy policies in the real world.

Their policies will hurt a lot of people. But I agree if that is the price of people learning then so be it, sad as it is.

Prepare for upsurge in homelessness with rent controls. It's going to be really bad.

gmisk · 12-02-2020 09:17AM

Zetor19 wrote: »

God only knows what the people in Brussels think now, they watched our back big time in the Brexit mess and we repay them by electing a bunch of scumbags to undo all that.

Ah now... I know they bankrupted the country before but FF aren't that bad!

Mantis Toboggan · 12-02-2020 09:41AM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

It's hilarious to see the shinners who for years whinged about government now terrified to actually form a government. Seems they're much more comfortable shouting from the sidelines.

Like an overweight bearded man swallowing pints at a six Nations match suddenly finding himself being asked to step on to the pitch. Suddenly he's not so sure he knows what he wants to do.

"terrified to actually form a government" lol can you not count? The numbers don't add up.

Some amount of nonsense in here.

JohnnyFlash · 12-02-2020 09:44AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

FG ironically find themselves in the strongest position, they can step back and respect the will of the people, who have clearly said they want them out of Govt.

SF, as MLM said, 'won' the election, up to her now to do a deal with FF and the Greens. No doubt her negotiating skills, which the country will need during the Brexit trade talks, will stand her in good stead.

Time for SF to cut the bull, easy to shout and roar from the sidelines, lets see them enact their fantasy policies in the real world. People need a wake-up call.

If Regina Doherty and Mary Mitchell O’Connor had held on their seats then things might have been very different. Two of the FG politicians who were subject to unusual amounts of ‘shade’ around here by the all-day men (always men). Not that there’s any link of course.

Anyways, looking like the best bad election for FG ever. Time to retire to the opposition benches and let FF, SF, Greens, Soc Dems sort things out. The extremely complex issue of rough sleepers was made a political football so I feel that’s a bell weather issue that must be sorted almost immediately.

Jinglejangle69 · 12-02-2020 09:46AM

I'd actually like another election and SF the largest party with the numbers to govern.

I'm excited to see this "change" they all can't stop talking about.

Plumbthedepths · 12-02-2020 09:47AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

If Regina Doherty and Mary Mitchell O’Connor had held on their seats then things might have been very different. Two of the FG politicians who were subject to unusual amounts of ‘shade’ around here by the all-day men (always men). Not that there’s any link of course.

Anyways, looking like the best bad election for FG ever. Time to retire to the opposition benches and let FF, SF, Greens, Soc Dems sort things out. The extremely complex issue of rough sleepers was made a political football so I feel that’s a bell weather issue that must be sorted almost immediately.

In other words you could have just quoted Cartman "Screw you guys, I'm going home" .Sums up the behaviour of FG since Sunday.

Fann Linn · 12-02-2020 09:48AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

"terrified to actually form a government" lol can you not count? The numbers don't add up.

Some amount of nonsense in here.

Agreed. People posting in current affairs/political threads and not knowing the figures required to make up a govt.

FrancieBrady · 12-02-2020 09:50AM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

"terrified to actually form a government" lol can you not count? The numbers don't add up.

Some amount of nonsense in here.

All over the site you have this stupid goading going on.
Had SF turned around after the final count and said...'there is no point talking as it is impossible to form a government' they would be foaming at the mouth for a different reason.

Hilarious to watch the various meltdowns. They are even waiting in the wings to begin foaming if SF compromise when the country has clearly said 'nobody is to get it all their own way'.

The whole way of doing politics...the nod and wink way of FF/FG has been ushered out the door.
They will catch up eventually to what a real coalition is. But it sure is funny watching the cogs click into place.

limnam · 12-02-2020 09:54AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

FG ironically find themselves in the strongest position, they can step back and respect the will of the people, who have clearly said they want them out of Govt.

SF, as MLM said, 'won' the election, up to her now to do a deal with FF and the Greens. No doubt her negotiating skills, which the country will need during the Brexit trade talks, will stand her in good stead.

Time for SF to cut the bull, easy to shout and roar from the sidelines, lets see them enact their fantasy policies in the real world. People need a wake-up call.

Yep.

Do fck all for 10 years and now sit back and do fck all.

and people wonder why their vote collapsed.

Next.

JohnnyFlash · 12-02-2020 09:59AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

In other words you could have just quoted Cartman "Screw you guys, I'm going home" .Sums up the behaviour of FG since Sunday.

No. FG campaigned to be in government after the election. The people rejected this. That’s democracy, my friend. Now it’s time for the party who campaigned for change to help deliver it.

It’s not my issue that SF supporters can’t enjoy the result and are getting all angsty and stressed with the idea of them going into government. This is what you wanted. It’s not what I wanted, but that’s democracy my good man.

https://youtu.be/YFh2vpGeoIk

Mantis Toboggan · 12-02-2020 10:00AM

gmisk wrote: »

Ah now... I know they bankrupted the country before but FF aren't that bad!

Be careful what you wish for.

Tents being erected in Ballybrit as we speak

FrancieBrady · 12-02-2020 10:06AM

Roisin Shorthall seems to want to put the SD eggs in the FG/FF basket and is shutting the door, pre-talks.

If she hasn't learned the lessons from history of doing that, let them at it.

Brendan Bendar · 12-02-2020 10:08AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All over the site you have this stupid goading going on.
Had SF turned around after the final count and said...'there is no point talking as it is impossible to form a government' they would be foaming at the mouth for a different reason.

Hilarious to watch the various meltdowns. They are even waiting in the wings to begin foaming if SF compromise when the country has clearly said 'nobody is to get it all their own way'.

The whole way of doing politics...the nod and wink way of FF/FG has been ushered out the door.
They will catch up eventually to what a real coalition is. But it sure is funny watching the cogs click into place.

Noticing Sf gene pool getting very ‘thin skinned’ recently, we have guys down Waterford way claiming “We have broken the bastards’ and other stuff reminiscent of the black flag period and “Smash this and smash that “era.

Then lesser luminaries suggesting “The whole way of doing politics..the nod and wink way of FF and FG has been ushered out the door”

Then when for once when the spotlight is on the performance of their party, after years of sniping and criticism of those running the country claiming to have all the answers, they get very upset and unable to handle things.

News for them.....better get used to it, senior hurling now, can’t sit on the fence laughing any longer.:)

JohnnyFlash · 12-02-2020 10:11AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Noticing Sf gene pool getting very ‘thin skinned’ recently, we have guys down Waterford way claiming “We have broken the bastards’ and other stuff reminiscent of the black flag period and “Smash this and smash that “era.

Then lesser luminaries suggesting “The whole way of doing politics..the nod and wink way of FF and FG has been ushered out the door”

Then when for once when the spotlight is on the performance of their party, after years of sniping and criticism of those running the country claiming to have all the answers, they get very upset and unable to handle things.

News for them.....better get used to it, senior hurling now, can’t sit on the fence laughing any longer.:)

They are going in trying to score a few soft points as well, Brendan, but Sylvie Linnane is standing there looking like he’s up for a game of timber.

ednwireland · 12-02-2020 10:13AM

just seeing loads of lazy journalism on MLM being some amazing political strategist, this is the same SF that lost a ton of council seats in there supposed core base, lost there mep's only a few months ago.
if leo had gone for an election in september i suspect there would have been a very different result.

as they say timing is everything in politics and leo aint got it.

i look forward to seeing SF enact their policies in government despite the desperation of some of there supporters on here to be in opposition (which lets be a honest a ff/fg/gp coalition would only allow sf to increase there vote share i suspect so that wont happen) FG droppped the ball on so many things and the fell into their turn at the trough politics so lets see SF do it differently.

LeinsterDub · 12-02-2020 10:16AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Roisin Shorthall seems to want to put the SD eggs in the FG/FF basket and is shutting the door, pre-talks.

If she hasn't learned the lessons from history of doing that, let them at it.

Jesus you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Eventually someone is going to have to form some form of government. What's the harm in talking to people?

sondagefaux · 12-02-2020 10:16AM

shenanagans wrote: »

It's 66 with Greens. They need Iontu and independents to top up to 80.

Why would the Green Party want to go into government with a party that opposes the carbon tax?

Everyone seems to assume the Greens are ready to do any deal with anyone.

I doubt that many of the Green Party's middle-class voters are thrilled at the prospect of a Sinn Féin-led government.

sondagefaux · 12-02-2020 10:22AM

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Jesus you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Eventually someone is going to have to form some form of government. What's the harm in talking to people?

Or have another general election...

It looks like Sinn Féin aren't attractive coalition partners for left-wing parties any more than they are for centrist or right-wing parties.

That being the case, the chances of Sinn Féin getting into government without, in my opinion, at least two-thirds of the Fianna Fáil parliamentary party approving a coalition with SF in principle at its meeting tomorrow, are slim to none.

Loafing Oaf · 12-02-2020 10:24AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

FG ironically find themselves in the strongest position, they can step back and respect the will of the people, who have clearly said they want them out of Govt.

SF, as MLM said, 'won' the election, up to her now to do a deal with FF and the Greens.

How do you know FF would be willing to do such a deal? Takes (at least) two to tango...

JohnnyFlash · 12-02-2020 10:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All over the site you have this stupid goading going on.
Had SF turned around after the final count and said...'there is no point talking as it is impossible to form a government' they would be foaming at the mouth for a different reason.

Hilarious to watch the various meltdowns. They are even waiting in the wings to begin foaming if SF compromise when the country has clearly said 'nobody is to get it all their own way'.

The whole way of doing politics...the nod and wink way of FF/FG has been ushered out the door.
They will catch up eventually to what a real coalition is. But it sure is funny watching the cogs click into place.

What do you think are red line issues for SF in coalition negotiations?

Rent freezes and one month rent back?

Bring the pension age back to 65 (which is the opposite of every other country in Europe btw).

3500 more doctors and nurses?

Free car parking in hospitals?

Getting rid of prescription charges?

25% social housing in all new estates?

Removing the local property tax?

Real treasure trove of promises there and that’s just off the top of my head.

Brendan Bendar · 12-02-2020 10:28AM

ednwireland wrote: »

just seeing loads of lazy journalism on MLM being some amazing political strategist, this is the same SF that lost a ton of council seats in there supposed core base, lost there mep's only a few months ago.
if leo had gone for an election in september i suspecttehre would have been a very differnet result.

as they say timing is everythiing in politics and leo aint got it.

i look forward to seeing SF enact their policies in government despite the desperation of some of there supporters on here to be in opposition (which lets be a honest a ff/fg/gp coaolition would only allow sf to increase there vote share i suspect so that wont happen) FG droppped the ball on so many things and the fell into their turn at the trough politics so lets see SF do it differently.

Hindsight is indeed great, agree that FG dropped the ball several times, but as SF are now finding out implementing is far harder than opposition.

What I suspect will happen is after weeks of talk the rest of the ‘left’ will be quite happy to stay in opposition and well just hang out banners, do marches, attend picket lines, support anyone opposing anything, get their pictures on Twitter, promise to nationalize everything, while collecting the taxpayers wedge and appearing on every media outlet possible.

In fairness SF appear to be trying, but they need to understand not to get too thin skinned and surprised at what will happen.

Plumbthedepths · 12-02-2020 10:29AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

No. FG campaigned to be in government after the election. The people rejected this. That’s democracy, my friend. Now it’s time for the party who campaigned for change to help deliver it.

It’s not my issue that SF supporters can’t enjoy the result and are getting all angsty and stressed with the idea of them going into government. This is what you wanted. It’s not what I wanted, but that’s democracy my good man.

https://youtu.be/YFh2vpGeoIk

20% of the voters voted for FG for government, 22% voted for FF for government and 24% voted for SF all parties have a responsibility to try and form government whether you wish to acknowledge that or not is irrelevant Simon Harris disagrees with you by the way. Any luck on getting your hands on a calculator?

DellyBelly · 12-02-2020 10:31AM

One plus of the SF doing well is the amount of Tricolours that are flying from a lot of houses over the last week. I used to live in the States and people over there always fly the stars and stripes from their homes and wondered why we didn't do the same thing here. Looks like it may start to happen which is a good thing...

Fann Linn · 12-02-2020 10:33AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What do you think are red line issues for SF in coalition negotiations?

Rent freezes and one month rent back?

Bring the pension age back to 65 (which is the opposite of every other country in Europe btw).

3500 more doctors and nurses?

Free car parking in hospitals?

Getting rid of prescription charges?

25% social housing in all new estates?

Removing the local property tax?

Real treasure trove of promises there and that’s just off the top of my head.

A comparison was done the other day in one of the papers and in reality, there isn't a million miles of difference between the FF/SF manifestos which could be thrashed out with some negotiations.

MM with his pre election guff of not 'dealing with SF' has left this impasse for now, which I believe will be resolved 'in the national interest'.

Christy42 · 12-02-2020 10:38AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

One plus of the SF doing well is the amount of Tricolours that are flying from a lot of houses over the last week. I used to live in the States and people over there always fly the stars and stripes from their homes and wondered why we didn't do the same thing here. Looks like it may start to happen which is a good thing...

I always thought it looked incredibly insecure.

Like I am aware I am in the US. Like if you have to scream and shout about how patriotic you are it seems weird. I don't need a flag every house to scream it at me. I also know houses who had it simply because it was socially unacceptable not to which seems weird. Political events are already hilarious over there. I have 20 large flags behind. Look how patriotic I am damn it!

A country should be more confident in itself.

It just always seems unwelcoming to me. Like if you disagree with people you are in trouble. Like the north or how aggressive some Americans can get insisting that the US is the best country ever.

Specific stuff like celebrating a match or whatever is obviously different.

LeinsterDub · 12-02-2020 10:39AM

sondagefaux wrote: »

Or have another general election...

It looks like Sinn Féin aren't attractive coalition partners for left-wing parties any more than they are for centrist or right-wing parties.

That being the case, the chances of Sinn Féin getting into government without, in my opinion, at least two-thirds of the Fianna Fáil parliamentary party approving a coalition with SF in principle at its meeting tomorrow, are slim to none.

Talking doesn't rule out the possibility of a other GE. I honestly can't see FF - FG -SD .

quokula · 12-02-2020 10:44AM

Christy42 wrote: »

I always thought it looked incredibly insecure.

Like I am aware I am in the US. Like if you have to scream and shout about how patriotic you are it seems weird. I don't need a flag every house to scream it at me. I also know houses who had it simply because it was socially unacceptable not to which seems weird. Political events are already hilarious over there. I have 20 large flags behind. Look how patriotic I am damn it!

A country should be more confident in itself.

It just always seems unwelcoming to me. Like if you disagree with people you are in trouble. Like the north or how aggressive some Americans can get insisting that the US is the best country ever.

Specific stuff like celebrating a match or whatever is obviously different.

A friend of mine who is South American moved to the US and moved into a house that had a huge American flag in the garden. He was scared to take it down so it stayed there.

When I lived in the UK the number of English flags on a given estate was a pretty clear marker for how much trouble to expect, especially if you're Irish.

I don't want that sort of nationalism infecting this country.

Jinglejangle69 · 12-02-2020 10:45AM

DellyBelly wrote: »

One plus of the SF doing well is the amount of Tricolours that are flying from a lot of houses over the last week. I used to live in the States and people over there always fly the stars and stripes from their homes and wondered why we didn't do the same thing here. Looks like it may start to happen which is a good thing...

The Flegs ay.

How the Unionists live their Flegs.

lawred2 · 12-02-2020 10:48AM

quokula wrote: »

A friend of mine who is South American moved to the US and moved into a house that had a huge American flag in the garden. He was scared to take it down so it stayed there.

When I lived in the UK the number of English flags on a given estate was a pretty clear marker for how much trouble to expect, especially if you're Irish.

I don't want that sort of nationalism infecting this country.

Don't worry - I don't know anyone who owns an Irish flag. Let's not get carried away with ourselves.

FrancieBrady · 12-02-2020 10:49AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Noticing Sf gene pool getting very ‘thin skinned’ recently, we have guys down Waterford way claiming “We have broken the bastards’ and other stuff reminiscent of the black flag period and “Smash this and smash that “era.

Then lesser luminaries suggesting “The whole way of doing politics..the nod and wink way of FF and FG has been ushered out the door”

Then when for once when the spotlight is on the performance of their party, after years of sniping and criticism of those running the country claiming to have all the answers, they get very upset and unable to handle things.

News for them.....better get used to it, senior hurling now, can’t sit on the fence laughing any longer.:)

Brendy...the 'senior hurling' thing is old now.

SF where straight out the gate contacting people for talks and discussion.
If a government cannot be formed...so be it. Everyone will have to go back to the electorate...that is the bottom line here, and that is putting pressure on everybody.
FG have gone on the huff after only managing 36 seats and their worst performance since 1948, and are trying to pressure talks that way.
FF, similarly, were willing to open the door when it looked they'd have a 4 or 5 seat majority, and have shut it again (or have pretended to shut it, by hiding Michael from saying it) now that they don't have that seat majority.

SF and all the rest are doing what you would expect...talking.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What do you think are red line issues for SF in coalition negotiations?

Rent freezes and one month rent back?

Bring the pension age back to 65 (which is the opposite of every other country in Europe btw).

3500 more doctors and nurses?

Free car parking in hospitals?

Getting rid of prescription charges?

25% social housing in all new estates?

Removing the local property tax?

Real treasure trove of promises there and that’s just off the top of my head.

Personally, I am not a SF strategist or member. I gave them my vote.
As stated from the get-go here, I had no interest in theirs or anyone else's , glossy manifesto's, (they are constructed and distributed for the politically naive)

I elected them because I want to see the duopoly of FG and FF broken up (I'd have voted Labour only they let me down the last time or any party that was strong enough in the polls to do that) and because I think generally they will create a fairer society.

I will comment on a programme for government when I see one.

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