GE Exit Poll 10 pm

This is it wrote: »

FG are happy enough in opposition for now IMO. Time to rebuild.

Is Leo stepping down?
Probably the correct thing to do given he delivered the 2nd worst results in the parties history.
It would likely win them some votes back too.

I believe it was Edmund Burke who said ‘ All government, indeed every human benefit and enjoyment, every virtue, and every prudent act, is founded on compromise and barter‘.

The shîtehawking will have to stop soon and when the dust settles it will be a coalition of FF, SF, and the Greens who will have to do right by the country and its people by forming a government.

This is it wrote: »

FG are happy enough in opposition for now IMO. Time to rebuild.

They want to be in opposition but they'll badly let down the country if they leave us with an unstable or no govt.

FG in particular know how crucial it is to have a stable govt throughout Brexit trade deal.

Leo won't have the luxury of running off into opposition.

Perhaps confidence and supply from FG and hold up FF and greens/other in govt?? That opposition sort off..

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Let's look at those independents to see if that is remotely feasible

Here's the ones that to my knowledge could reasonably be categorised as 'leftish': Mcnamara, Pringle, Connolly, Fitzmaurice, Harkin, Canney, Nolan

Ones I don't know anything about but we'll say they can be recruited for argument's sake: Shanahan, Berry, O'Donoghue

Gene Poolers/Parish Pump Merchants: Collins, Grealish, Fitzpatrick, Naughten, McGrath, Lowry, Healy Rae Cap, Healy Rae Beard
(Missing one there, can't identify him/her)

So even on the most generous reading, you'd still be needing to convert two or three of the Killinaskully types to the cause of socialist revolution to make this work

Well Connolly called on FF and FG to partner up and put a govt together. Can't see Harkin being apart of an unstable govt as she's not long back from 5 years in Europe as an MEP and she knows how important the whole Brexit thing is.

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

You're underming your own 'argument' now

Read all my comments. I basically said FF won't go in with SF as they lose several top TDs....who won't work in a cabinet involving SF.

Another person argued that to exclude SF from govt would go against public opinion....

My response.....let Mary Lou off to put together her left govt so......even though I think it's crazy stuff.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I believe it was Edmund Burke who said ‘ All government, indeed every human benefit and enjoyment, every virtue, and every prudent act, is founded on compromise and barter‘.

The shîtehawking will have to stop soon and when the dust settles it will be a coalition of FF, SF, and the Greens who will have to do right by the country and its people by forming a government.

so FG are shîtehawking in your own opinion?

In the present circumstances FF/SF/Greens and FF/FG/Greens are much the same thing.

The divil will be in the program for government.
We keep hearing how FG and FF will do what is best for the country, so surely now more than ever is the time for FG to actually step forward. Unless they actually accept that for the last 9 years they have done nothing but try to deceive the electorate.

Suckit wrote: »

You already have a dozen independents there.

There are 12 greens in. 37 SF.
That is 49.
+ Aontú (1)
+ Sol/PBP (5)
+ Soc Dem (6)
+ Inds 4 Ch (1)
+ Inds (19)
With every one of them on board (would never get all the Independents) that is 81.

Labour I believe are also in the 'will not coalesce with SF' camp.

Anyone that thinks that is a possibility is in dreamland.
Even if SF could get that together to form a government with the current figures, and personally I think it impossible, it would disintegrate within a year or so.

the only people advocating this are people that want to see SF fail.
Everyone else that truly has the interest of the country at heart would acknowledge this is the worst possible solution to the problems at hand.

It simply has to be a FF/FG/Green government or a FF/SF/Green government.
No other combination adds up or could possibly work

So is Mehole going to actually swallow his tongue and invite SF or is Leo going to support the party that enabled him to remain in government?

efanton wrote: »

is Leo going to support the party that enabled him to remain in government?

Don't think the problem really lies on that side. If Martin clearly signals he wants to do business with FG, I find it inconceivable that Leo tell him to get lost or make things difficult, given what that would inevitably lead to...

Water John wrote: »

It was simply an opening gambit by MLM. She's looking for a left grouping to be larger than FF in talks.
With FF is her only path to Govn't, if she's serious.

I think the lady is seriously serious.

Look at it from any logical viewpoint you wish.

SF will have demonstrated that they have tried to form a government.
Meanwhile the two little girlies have thrown their toy doll out of the pram in a tantrum crying that its not their problem. This could only be the case if they didn't have the numbers to form a stable government. What ever way they would want to view it, the electorate will view it in a totally different way.

God help FF and FG if this results in the general election being repeated. Both leaders , Michael Martin and Leo will almost immediately become political history.

It's time for Martin to step forward and make a decision, FG or FF, and if he cant then goodbye Michael Martin for good.
The country will not want him and by default the FF party will get shot of him at the earliest possible opportunity.

shenanagans wrote: »

How can FG carry the country off its knees since 2011 and then happily hand over to the crazy policies of SF???

They won't get 15% next time if they don't step up to the plate now...

The electorate voted for change. In two successive ekections FG vote has descreased, it's clear most of the public want them in opposition.

Both FF and FG have seen what sucking it up "for the good of the country" to avoid an election had gotten them

listermint wrote: »

Alot of talk in here about FF FG and the greens. Evidently people don't understand this isn't the green party of even 5 years ago.

Their candidates are ramped up on global change. If anyone thinks they'll just walk into coalition without demanding major scalps then they haven't a notion about what's going on

Equally they will hardly go into government with a party that doesn't believe in the carbon tax

listermint wrote: »

No argument here.

I think they just see the only way to make a change is by being in power.

It's an Eamonn Ryan Green Party, not a Saoirse McHugh one

shenanagans wrote: »

They want to be in opposition but they'll badly let down the country if they leave us with an unstable or no govt.

I think you'll find it's the electorate to blame for that one.

FG ironically find themselves in the strongest position, they can step back and respect the will of the people, who have clearly said they want them out of Govt.

SF, as MLM said, 'won' the election, up to her now to do a deal with FF and the Greens. No doubt her negotiating skills, which the country will need during the Brexit trade talks, will stand her in good stead.

Time for SF to cut the bull, easy to shout and roar from the sidelines, lets see them enact their fantasy policies in the real world. People need a wake-up call.

Pragmatism will pull them all back into line. Reality of going back on the stomp will hit them all and wake them up.