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threeball · 12-02-2020 12:10AM

ygolometsipe wrote: »

You only get to agree not to have the bank sell your morgage to a vulture fund. You still need to pay your mortgage (to the bank). The courts decide bankruptcy cases not SF policy.

However people can be very well intentioned and still default. Financial default applies to individual's and business. In society we value the risk business take on to employ people, hence the LTD post fix (limited liability)
risk is a part of life but I don't see much risk, hopefully we wont ever have another FF government in power.
If FF get elected, sell your house and run for the hills.

It's still another impediment to repossession to which there are too many in this country. We end up paying through the nose for the risk the banks carry. Good intentions are all good and well but everyone has to pay their debts or the economy stalls. If I don't pay the blocklayer on my house, he doesn't pay the builders providers, they don't pay the bank and some or all go out of business, normally the littlest fella but someone has to pick up the bill at the end. If you default and can't at least come to an arrangement you should lose it.

I have as much time for FF as I have for SF. Both populist charlatans whose only goals are short term gratification and completely self serving.

sondagefaux · 12-02-2020 12:13AM

campo wrote: »

Yep ignore the will of the people that is democracy for sure.

75.47% of those who voted in the general election didn't vote for Sinn Féin.

The will of the vast majority of the people is for SF to not be in government.

elperello · 12-02-2020 12:13AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If FF and FG get back in, all they will have to do is given the pensioners a big rise, and double the Christmas Bonus. Then call another election. SF will either have to back them or appear to be anti pensioner.

Despite all the sanctimonious claptrap about voters being concerned about homelessness and the HSE, self interest is always first. There would be a far worse outcry if the pensioners were docked €5 a week, than anything we have seen about homelessness.

To a certain extent homelessness and health were self interest for many.

Most families have a connection suffering high rent or other housing related problems.
Similarly it would be hard to find a family that has not had a poor experience with HSE.
Agree taking €5 from pensioners would provoke more ire.

threeball · 12-02-2020 12:14AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

It was and is policy for the last 9 years. You even say you know people who did it.

And guess what?
SF aren't in power. Your buddies in FG/ FF were.

It's obviously not policy as thousands of homes were sold to vulture funds but you keep making it up as you go along.

dxhound2005 · 12-02-2020 12:15AM

In the North if you do not pay your property tax, your house could be repossessed. That might be part of the reason that there are far more repossessions in the North, compared to here.

I would welcome that policy from SF here if they get in.

If you don't pay your rates
If you don't pay your rates or contact LPS to make an arrangement to pay your rates bill, LPS will take legal action against you. A court process means:

additional costs for you to pay
your credit rating could be affected and you may not be able to apply for credit or a loan
you could be made bankrupt
your home could be repossessed
LPS can refer your debt to a debt collection agency

rob316 · 12-02-2020 12:17AM

ceegee wrote: »

Page 63 of the Sinn Fein manifesto.
"Provide an additional €6.5 billion in order to deliver over 100,000 public homes on public land to meet social and affordable housing needs"

6.5b/100k = 65000

Additional.

As in added to whatever else is there already. Everyone knows you can't build a house for 65k.

Didn't mention the size of the home either.

smurgen · 12-02-2020 12:18AM

Jizique wrote: »

That is why we have the highest mortgage rates in Europe

No that's just the excuse the banks use to justify the rates.

threeball · 12-02-2020 12:19AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

In the North if you do not pay your property tax, your house could be repossessed. That might be part of the reason that there are far more repossessions in the North, compared to here.

I would welcome that policy from SF here if they get in.

If you don't pay your rates
If you don't pay your rates or contact LPS to make an arrangement to pay your rates bill, LPS will take legal action against you. A court process means:

additional costs for you to pay
your credit rating could be affected and you may not be able to apply for credit or a loan
you could be made bankrupt
your home could be repossessed
LPS can refer your debt to a debt collection agency

Not a hope they rock the boat and bring in something that will affect their base. If your lifeplan is to pay for nothing then that won't sit too well.

dxhound2005 · 12-02-2020 12:20AM

elperello wrote: »

To a certain extent homelessness and health were self interest for many.

Most families have a connection suffering high rent or other housing related problems.
Similarly it would be hard to find a family that has not had a poor experience with HSE.
Agree taking €5 from pensioners would provoke more ire.

I won't ask about your bad experiences, but myself and family members have had good experience of the HSE over the years. And probably millions of other patient outcomes, which do not get reported in the media.

McMurphy · 12-02-2020 12:21AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you want to do ancient history, there was no FF back in the day. They split off from SF. Time to get back together now maybe.

We are obviously discussing the pretence that FF and FG have any fundamental differences from one another and there's nothing really noteworthy that sets them apart politically, so far as any of us can see - they exist solely so one can say they're not the other in a perpetual cycle of revolving door power swapping.

However, seeing as you brought up ancient history, and who split from whom back when neither of us were born.

Why (could you tell me) have FG removed all traces of Eoin ODuffy from its own website?

I've looked, and I can't see any mention of him, has me fierce stumped so it has.

The Rape of Lucretia · 12-02-2020 12:23AM

sondagefaux wrote: »

75.47% of those who voted in the general election didn't vote for Sinn Féin.

The will of the vast majority of the people is for SF to not be in government.

And 84% of TDs returned maintained the status quo.

So really there isnt a grain of truth to the ideas that people voted for change, the establishment was thrown out, the country turned left, or that SF were given a mandate to govern.
Bizarre how so much of the susequent discussion is base on 'facts' such as these, which have no basis in reality.

dxhound2005 · 12-02-2020 12:24AM

McMurphy wrote: »

We are obviously discussing the pretence that FF and FG have any fundamental differences from one another and there's nothing really noteworthy that sets them apart politically, so far as any of us can see - they exist solely so one can say they're not the other in a perpetual cycle of revolving door power swapping.

However, seeing as you brought up ancient history, and who split from whom back when neither of us were born.

Why (could you tell me) have FG removed all traces of Eoin ODuffy from its own website?

I've looked, and I can't see any mention of him, has me fierce stumped so it has.

Fair play to Mary Lou. She has no qualms about her admiration for Republicans who collaborated with the Nazis.

elperello · 12-02-2020 12:25AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I won't ask about your bad experiences, by myself and family members have had good experience of the HSE over the years. And probably millions of other patient outcomes, which do not get reported in the media.

I'm not complaining personally at all.

Of course lot's of people have good experiences but as you say they don't get talked about.

Neither do good experiences tend to affect voting intentions.

threeball · 12-02-2020 12:25AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I won't ask about your bad experiences, by myself and family members have had good experience of the HSE over the years. And probably millions of other patient outcomes, which do not get reported in the media.

The main problem with the HSE is A&E and getting into the system. Once you are in the system most people are very happy with the care they receive. It's an invisible barrier of poor co-ordination at the first point of contact that is the main problem. It's mainly administrative. Although there are issues around care and rehab outside the hospitals.

McMurphy · 12-02-2020 12:26AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Fair play to Mary Lou. She has no qualms about her admiration for Republicans who collaborated with the Nazis.

:pac:

dxhound2005 · 12-02-2020 12:28AM

threeball wrote: »

The main problem with the HSE is A&E and getting into the system. Once you are in the system most people are very happy with the care they receive. It's an invisible barrier of poor co-ordination at the first point of contact that is the main problem. It's mainly administrative. Although there are issues around care and rehab outside the hospitals.

And again if people are putting their faith in SF to improve it, they are ignoring what is happening with the Health Service in the North.

Water John · 12-02-2020 12:29AM

John Bruton went into Govn't with Official Sinn Fein effectively.
FG in the 50s had a Govn't with the leader of the IRA in Cabinet.

If SF HQ can close down the yahoos in the party posting or clowning, it may help with negotiations.

elperello · 12-02-2020 12:30AM

threeball wrote: »

The main problem with the HSE is A&E and getting into the system. Once you are in the system most people are very happy with the care they receive. It's an invisible barrier of poor co-ordination at the first point of contact that is the main problem. It's mainly administrative. Although there are issues around care and rehab outside the hospitals.

When you hear Auntie so and so spent three days on a trolley that tends to dominate the narrative rather than she's home fine now.

Maybe you haven't visited her for a couple of years but you still feel aggrieved on her behalf.

Water John · 12-02-2020 12:31AM

threeball wrote: »

The main problem with the HSE is A&E and getting into the system. Once you are in the system most people are very happy with the care they receive. It's an invisible barrier of poor co-ordination at the first point of contact that is the main problem. It's mainly administrative. Although there are issues around care and rehab outside the hospitals.

There is also a capacity problem but it is true that the care is VG once you get in the door.

rob316 · 12-02-2020 12:31AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

And 84% of TDs returned maintained the status quo.

So really there isnt a grain of truth to the ideas that people voted for change, the establishment was thrown out, the country turned left, or that SF were given a mandate to govern.
Bizarre how so much of the susequent discussion is base on 'facts' such as these, which have no basis in reality.

You could turn those figures anyway to suit your argument. It's all a load of nonsense at the end of the day.

Loafing Oaf · 12-02-2020 12:38AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I still believe if Martin wants to force through a deal with SF he will be able to. None of those TDs said they would refuse to serve in a FF-SF government

Apparently Jim O'Callaghan has done this, so apologies for questioning your sincerity Jim...

Suckit · 12-02-2020 12:40AM

rob316 wrote: »

Additional.

As in added to whatever else is there already. Everyone knows you can't build a house for 65k.

Didn't mention the size of the home either.

Nor does it say that they are houses.

Sinn Féin will use the projected €4 billion to be transferred
from NAMA to the Exchequer as one-oﬀ capital investment in public housing.

Sinn Féin priorities:
» Provide an additional €6.5 billion in order to deliver over 100,000 public homes on public land to meet social and affordable housing needs.

That would be €10.5 billion to provide 100,000 homes.
Some of the developers that were helped out by both FF and FG should have paid all that off, yet haven't, still own their portfolios and are building more homes to rent. Box flats, to rent to the council.

Ridiculous.

McMurphy · 12-02-2020 12:42AM

Don't know if this was posted earlier but this is awkward.

https://twitter.com/ABhoysVoice/status/1227357909945810945?s=19

threeball · 12-02-2020 12:48AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And again if people are putting their faith in SF to improve it, they are ignoring what is happening with the Health Service in the North.

The only hope to change it must be cross party and taking on the vested interests. Slainte care was the first steps in addressing this.

threeball · 12-02-2020 12:52AM

elperello wrote: »

When you hear Auntie so and so spent three days on a trolley that tends to dominate the narrative rather than she's home fine now.

Maybe you haven't visited her for a couple of years but you still feel aggrieved on her behalf.

Yes but you're other auntie is a nurse who feels attacked when they look to change the system so you're aggrieved about that too. Health is a no win, it's just too emotive.

shenanagans · 12-02-2020 12:53AM

One of tomorrows headlines references a 'Grand coalition to deny SF'.......

elperello · 12-02-2020 12:53AM

threeball wrote: »

The only hope to change it must be cross party and taking on the vested interests. Slainte care was the first steps in addressing this.

Agree.
We are spending enough to have a good health service just not getting it.

elperello · 12-02-2020 12:55AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Apparently Jim O'Callaghan has done this, so apologies for questioning your sincerity Jim...

According to the Tonight Show we can add Michael McGrath and Jack Chambers to the list.

Suckit · 12-02-2020 12:58AM

shenanagans wrote: »

One of tomorrows headlines references a 'Grand coalition to deny SF'.......

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQiFwwOX0AEDP4L?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

elperello · 12-02-2020 12:58AM

threeball wrote: »

Yes but you're other auntie is a nurse who feels attacked when they look to change the system so you're aggrieved about that too. Health is a no win, it's just too emotive.

Well you are right it is emotive.

Not many issues are literally life and death.

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