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  • #1832
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,456 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I suspect SF would also be happy to be the main party of opposition.

    Not a chance.
    After all the talk in the last 2 days?
    Mary Lou saying she might well be Taoiseach?
    All the talk of the electorate rejecting FFG.

    You really think they are going to sit back and be the opposition?
    Can't see that happening at all.
    The electorate wouldn't be happy with them if they did. Why give a party a massive mandate if they are just going to shout from the terraces again?


  • #1833
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Imagine being this angry about political parties wanting to help people who are less well off instead of funneling more money to the already wealthy.

    They don't see hard squeezed working poor, just lazy spongers. That way the government don't need to address it. Worked out well for Sinn Fein and Fianna Fail.
    They are however concerned about the squeezed middle because that's them, (they work hard earn everything they get and so on but get no breaks and feel hard done by) and they don't see the connection of bad management by government.


  • #1834
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Imagine being this angry about political parties wanting to help people who are less well off instead of funneling more money to the already wealthy.

    No problem with it if their numbers took account for basic economics and added up.

    We're seeing now how even their supporters know it is all talk and with many wanting to run away from a chance to govern


  • #1835
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    I want to see FF/FG/Labour coalition. Some stability for 5 years, hopefully some tax cuts. And yes we'd get a good bit of social housing built.

    Keep the Shinners out at all costs. Investment Funds are already removing their money from Irish property stocks on the mere suggestion they get into power. That will eventually impact on the ground. Could be a full blown recession if they do get in.

    Also bear in mind at the next election, FF and FG will run fewer candidates. This will get them more seats.
    I'd say SF wouldn't really mind that scenario, imagine 3 (for that's all they'd really get) years sitting as the opposition, steadily growing and building, highlighting every govt crisis and the cronyism oooh especially that, social media loves a bit of backhandering and backslapping, there's a strong chance they'd gain an overall majority, imagine that!

    Personally I'd prefer them in govt with another (strong) party, they's keep each other honest and might actually open peoples eyes as to how much of a change they could really make - ie not all that much.
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  • #1836
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Young working people can't afford childcare and have little prospect of owning their own home under FG. A decade ago, young people had to emigrate thanks to FF. But no, the economy is booming and everything is fine. Let's keep our heads in the sand.

    Yeah but in that case spend smarter or get a better paid job, you talk as if the problems facing young adults the past 20 years are some kind of revelation in 2020. Personal adult responsibility means you find a way to handle the issue in front of you - Irish adult responsibility seems to mean you shrug your shoulders, give up and blame the government for the position you are in.


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  • #1837
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah but in that case spend smarter or get a better paid job, you talk as if the problems facing young adults the past 20 years are some kind of revelation in 2020. Personal adult responsibility means you find a way to handle the issue in front of you - Irish adult responsibility seems to mean you shrug your shoulders, give up and blame the government for the position you are in.

    So yourself and other frontiersmen will do well with or without FF or SF in government. Grand so.
    Must be great being a millionaire.


  • #1838
    bladespin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,435 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah but in that case spend smarter or get a better paid job, you talk as if the problems facing young adults the past 20 years are some kind of revelation in 2020. Personal adult responsibility means you find a way to handle the issue in front of you - Irish adult responsibility seems to mean you shrug your shoulders, give up and blame the government for the position you are in.

    Sorry but NO - property prices are, once again, forcing young people (with well paid jobs) off the property ladder, just the same as the 'bubble' times, it's very obvious FF/FG are happy to repeat the mistakes. It's entirely reasonable to expect your government to help you out/protect your interests especially when you've followed the 'proper' path - well educated, good job etc etc.

    I'm not in favor of handouts but intervention, yes.
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  • #1839
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    So yourself and other frontiersmen will do well with or without FF or SF in government. Grand so.
    Must be great being a millionaire.

    Yeah I’m a millionaire alright - just about manage to pay my rent, keep the lights on and feed myself for the month. Am I whinging about it or blaming the government? Nope because Im a logical adult who’s getting on with what needs to be done, not crying my ****ing eyes out about the gubbermint


  • #1840
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    So yourself and other frontiersmen will do well with or without FF or SF in government. Grand so.
    Must be great being a millionaire.

    *drops monocle* dirty peasants.


  • #1841
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    machaseh wrote: »
    Depends entirely on whether they even make it into government at all, and when they do it depends on who they will be in government with.

    I wouldn't see FF+SF (plus any of the left wing parties) as a very stable coalition. There will probably not be a call for a border poll at that stage, I wouldn't think FF would allow it.

    SF + all of the left parties + almost all TDs is probably also just not really an achievable goal.

    Useful reply, albeit ignoring all my questions.

    Want to try again?
    Let's say they have full run of the government and get all their manifesto items through... How do they work?
    How are they paid for?


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  • #1842
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,300 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    bladespin wrote: »
    I'd say SF wouldn't really mind that scenario, imagine 3 (for that's all they'd really get) years sitting as the opposition, steadily growing and building, highlighting every govt crisis and the cronyism oooh especially that, social media loves a bit of backhandering and backslapping, there's a strong chance they'd gain an overall majority, imagine that!

    Personally I'd prefer them in govt with another (strong) party, they's keep each other honest and might actually open peoples eyes as to how much of a change they could really make - ie not all that much.

    Why 3 years? If they're going in together, they know they can't pull it down until they've had the longest time possible to act on housing and health or they'll be punished.

    Sure things could get worse but it is not good for SF to basically have a perfect storm here and not end up in government and they mightn't get another chance in the near term. Whoever goes in should have money to spend for the next few years to improve things and if there is a likely economic downturn the next election will be about tough choices, SF wanting to employers and tax multinationals wont play well with those who lent them their vote and are worried about their jobs.


  • #1843
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah I’m a millionaire alright - just about manage to pay my rent, keep the lights on and feed myself for the month. Am I whinging about it or blaming the government? Nope because Im a logical adult who’s getting on with what needs to be done, not crying my ****ing eyes out about the gubbermint

    No offense but i suggest you do some reading into property in Ireland and the market manipulation that has been on-going for the past ten years.

    You shouldn't have to just make do on a decent income and why your not angry about it is beyond me.


  • #1844
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,396 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Calhoun wrote: »
    No offense but i suggest you do some reading into property in Ireland and the market manipulation that has been on-going for the past ten years.

    You shouldn't have to just make do on a decent income and why your not angry about it is beyond me.

    I haven’t seen any market manipulation in the last 10 years.

    Any examples?


  • #1845
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,473 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Imagine being this angry about political parties wanting to help people who are less well off instead of funneling more money to the already wealthy.

    Explain to me why your so called wealthy people will continue to bother their arses to work hard only to have even more than 50% of their salaries taken away from them.

    Btw, you do realise that 50% of a big salary is more money into the coffers than 27% of s smaller salary, right? Just confirming


  • #1846
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Calhoun wrote: »
    No offense but i suggest you do some reading into property in Ireland and the market manipulation that has been on-going for the past ten years.

    You shouldn't have to just make do on a decent income and why your not angry about it is beyond me.

    There’s only 2 things certain in life - death & taxes. This dream of rolling in the cash and owning a house without a care in the world is what the euro millions is for. Reality is hard.


  • #1847
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah I’m a millionaire alright - just about manage to pay my rent, keep the lights on and feed myself for the month. Am I whinging about it or blaming the government? Nope because Im a logical adult who’s getting on with what needs to be done, not crying my ****ing eyes out about the gubbermint

    Grand so. Why do you care if other tax payers need a hand? Does not effect you at all seemingly.


  • #1848
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Allinall wrote: »
    I haven’t seen any market manipulation in the last 10 years.

    Any examples?

    Are you absolutely joking me? NAMA may be the biggest manipulation of a market by a western government in the last 30 years.


  • #1849
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,396 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Grand so. Why do you care if other tax payers need a hand? Does not effect you at all seemingly.

    Why would someone care where their taxes are spent?

    What sort of a stupid question is that?


  • #1850
    Calhoun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    There’s only 2 things certain in life - death & taxes. This dream of rolling in the cash and owning a house without a care in the world is what the euro millions is for. Reality is hard.

    Honestly must be **** being so beaten down that you cannot expect and hope for better.

    Thats not your fault believe me thats 10+ years of government neglect.


  • #1851
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Allinall wrote: »
    I haven’t seen any market manipulation in the last 10 years.

    Any examples?

    Vulture funds buying up to rent at high rates or lease. Build to rent being the biggest builds currently. Buyers being priced out. Low taxation on vulture funds. Government/LA being a customer.


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  • #1852
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yeah, better to blame those worse off than you instead. It's easier to punch down after all.

    Yeah I’d consider myself pretty bad off if that’s what you are asking so who am i punching down on?

    Those who have never lifted a finger to support the economy but sat on their lazy useless holes taking in welfare payments and living the high life with bonus this and medical card that while I bust my ass 5 days a week working so my taxes can fund them? Those people can **** off and can’t be “punched” enough if you ask me.


  • #1853
    Urethral Buttercup
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭Urethral Buttercup


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    There’s only 2 things certain in life - death & taxes. This dream of rolling in the cash and owning a house without a care in the world is what the euro millions is for. Reality is hard.

    You're a sad case. Face to ground. Devoid of hope or imagination. Busy washing the master's feet. Resentful of anyone who thinks there might be a better way.

    In other words, a willing slave.


  • #1854
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Allinall wrote: »
    Why would someone care where their taxes are spent?

    What sort of a stupid question is that?

    He's no issue with what the government does, or if he does he'll not whinge about it anyway, seemingly.

    I picture Grizzly Adams.


  • #1855
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah I’m a millionaire alright - just about manage to pay my rent, keep the lights on and feed myself for the month. Am I whinging about it or blaming the government? Nope because Im a logical adult who’s getting on with what needs to be done, not crying my ****ing eyes out about the gubbermint

    Well then your anger is misplaced.income inequality in Ireland is growing the top 1 and 5% have seen income grow while the bottom 40% have seen it shrink and our taxes are for the most part subsiding the lower paid,not the unemployed.have a read of this

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/irish-inequality-blamed-on-unusually-high-levels-of-low-pay-and-weak-protections-1.3798081


  • #1856
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Good, certainly better than them having ministerial power.

    Doubt FG or FF would agree with you, the last four years of C and S was to stop SF being the main party of opposition.


  • #1857
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Urethral Buttercup wrote: »
    You're a sad case. Face to ground. Devoid of hope or imagination. Busy washing the master feet. Resentful of anyone who thinks there might be a better way. In other words, a slave.

    I suppose I should take inspiration from those courageous free spirits on the dole long term who refuse to “wash the masters feet”? **** out of here with that nonsense


  • #1858
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,396 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Vulture funds buying up to rent at high rates or lease. Build to rent being the biggest builds currently. Buyers being priced out. Low taxation on vulture funds. Government/LA being a customer.

    The only thing there that could possibly be classed as government interfering in the market would be low taxation of vulture funds.

    What low taxation? They’re taxed the same as any other company.


  • #1859
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    I want to see FF/FG/Labour coalition. Some stability for 5 years, hopefully some tax cuts. And yes we'd get a good bit of social housing built.

    Keep the Shinners out at all costs. Investment Funds are already removing their money from Irish property stocks on the mere suggestion they get into power. That will eventually impact on the ground. Could be a full blown recession if they do get in.

    Also bear in mind at the next election, FF and FG will run fewer candidates. This will get them more seats.

    Screw the investment funds. They have fuccked us all over.


  • #1860
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    I suppose I should take inspiration from those courageous free spirits on the dole long term who refuse to “wash the masters feet”? **** out of here with that nonsense

    You're not making any sense.


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  • #1861
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah I’d consider myself pretty bad off if that’s what you are asking so who am i punching down on?

    Those who have never lifted a finger to support the economy but sat on their lazy useless holes taking in welfare payments and living the high life with bonus this and medical card that while I bust my ass 5 days a week working so my taxes can fund them? Those people can **** off and can’t be “punched” enough if you ask me.

    Ah. So if you are finding it difficult you won't whinge about government but you'll whinge about people worse off than yourself who are not elected to manage your taxes. Cool.


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