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GE Exit Poll 10 pm

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  • #5132
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    I still believe if Martin wants to force through a deal with SF he will be able to. None of those TDs said they would refuse to serve in a FF-SF government, which is the only meaningful stand against such a deal if the leader is determined to push it through.

    Jack Chambers has, Jim O' has also refused to break his promise to his voters.


  • #5133
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Could SF and the Green's come to an agreement tough especially on issues regarding carbon taxes, electric cars charging points, etc.

    Not forgetting severe penalties for dumping waste from fuel laundering


  • #5134
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    God only knows what the people in Brussels think now, they watched our back big time in the Brexit mess and we repay them by electing a bunch of scumbags to undo all that.

    And everyone will be cool with the great wipeout crash FF?


  • #5135
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    God only knows what the people in Brussels think now, they watched our back big time in the Brexit mess and we repay them by electing a bunch of scumbags to undo all that.

    Get over yourself, if you are so concerned about Brussels I believe there are a few rentals free since the UK lads left. Dublin airport is fairly easy to get to.


  • #5136
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,302 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Labour are the oldest party in the state. This is a fairly ridiculous comment

    Do you understand the difference between the words 'all' and 'most', the latter used in the post you quoted?

    Look at the list of registered parties in Ireland, there is about a dozen left parties that have a scattering of seats at different levels. It is crazy that they can't solidify under one banner but that would require compromise, which they are generally incapable of.


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  • #5137
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Funny how many times FG mention about 'big boys'.. They are at best FF's cleaners, and it looks like that position is in jeopardy.
    They forget their own voters are watching them hide too, as they hope this government messes up, so they can come out of hiding and say "told you so..." - Yeah, big boys..
    They also seem to forget that this could be the norm from now on, so they will need to start playing ball soon, or face even less votes as their majority votes come from older people.
    Many SF voters have realised a long time ago for them things couldn't get any worse, so Fg should stop expecting this to change anytime soon.


  • #5138
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    And everyone will be cool with the great wipeout crash FF?

    Not everyone. The more discerning and sophisticated, yes. The are the closest match to the wishes of the electorate available.


  • #5139
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    Can any of these newly elected thugs even read or write ? Honest question. Considering they never worked in a real job before they didn’t need it to draw the dole and commit crimes.

    Roscommon's SF TD. What's your qualifications?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claire_Kerrane


  • #5140
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Beaker Sheahan in the Indo is saying Mary Lou is going to put pressure on FF to go into government by presenting them with a ready made coalition of themselves, the Greens, and Soc Dems.

    Ryan to get climate change, Shorthall for Health, and O’Broin for housing.

    FG and Labour are happy to go into opposition.


  • #5141
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Jack Chambers has, Jim O' has also refused to break his promise to his voters.
    Jack Chambers is the perfect example of FF and FG blurred lines. He seems the perfect FG candidate.


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  • #5142
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,302 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    jos28 wrote: »
    I get the impression that's what is happening in the background. I think that MM has been severely slapped by members of his party for back pedalling on Sunday. Are there FF/FG/GP negotiations going on quietly. MM will be happy with any combination so long as he gets to be Taoiseach - just my tuppence worth.

    Don't see it happening behind closed like that.

    If they intend to go in with FG they'll also talk to SF. That will allow them to paint SF as having too many red lines and the only choice for the country is to go in with FG and GP. They need to paint SF as the bad guy or they'll get the blame for it.


  • #5143
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    What about the scum that got elected like that no hoper in Clare, Dessie the bomber etc etc up the ra Cullinane.

    Shadow Minster for Defence ?


  • #5144
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Zetor19 wrote: »
    What about the scum that got elected like that no hoper in Clare, Dessie the bomber etc etc up the ra Cullinane.

    There’s a load of them that will have no hope of getting a sniff of a ministry. The plan will be to keep them hidden and avoid any bloopers.


  • #5145
    Zetor19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 155 ✭✭Zetor19


    Maybe trade and commerce . Guns and drugs are a good trade these days I believe. Maybe this is where they plan raising finance for their ridiculous proposals. They have the expertise after all.


  • #5146
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    There’s a load of them that will have no hope of getting a sniff of a ministry. The plan will be to keep them hidden and avoid any bloopers.

    Pitty FG couldn't hide thiers

    Although they tried


  • #5147
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,302 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Beaker Sheahan in the Indo is saying Mary Lou is going to put pressure on FF to go into government by presenting them with a ready made coalition of themselves, the Greens, and Soc Dems.

    Ryan to get climate change, Shorthall for Health, and O’Broin for housing.

    FG and Labour are happy to go into opposition.

    That makes sense at a theoretical divide but that was never going to be the hard part.

    All of those areas are going to have competing desires for funding to be successful, which is where I struggle to see how they'll agree to raise the necessary funds.


  • #5148
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Beaker Sheahan in the Indo is saying Mary Lou is going to put pressure on FF to go into government by presenting them with a ready made coalition of themselves, the Greens, and Soc Dems.

    Ryan to get climate change, Shorthall for Health, and O’Broin for housing.

    FG and Labour are happy to go into opposition.

    I would like the woman who doesn’t need to breathe Louise O’Reilly for health.

    There would be a fair auld Batther up if herself and O’Headha went head to head.

    The lettuce would have a lot of mayo on it.


  • #5149
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    limnam wrote: »
    Pitty FG couldn't hide thiers

    Although they tried

    Gone now, lads. Up to Mary Lou and her enforcers to keep the team marching to the same drum beat.


  • #5150
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,974 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    jos28 wrote: »
    That's exactly what they did say, their leader said it categorically on the major debates. As Jim O'Callaghan pointed out, they stood on the doorsteps of their constituents and told them they would NOT go into government with SF. MM risks a shove to remove him as leader if he doesn't adhere to his party principles.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Jack Chambers has, Jim O' has also refused to break his promise to his voters.

    Did either of them say, specifically "If Micheal Martin forms a government with Sinn Fein, I will not serve in that government."? Just saying they're opposed to coalition with SF won't cut it if Martin is determined to force it through.

    Possible that they have, I'm not following things that closely...


  • #5151
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,197 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    I would like the woman who doesn’t need to breathe Louise O’Reilly for health.

    There would be a fair auld Batther up if herself and O’Headha went head to head.

    The lettuce would have a lot of mayo on it.

    Seriously, what does that kind of disparaging commentary do for you? What do you get out of it?


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  • #5152
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,055 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Will be FF & FG along with the greens. There really is no other solution. Yeah people might not like Michael Martin but he will be the next taoiseach and most likely Coveney as taniste.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #5153
    jos28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,253 ✭✭✭jos28


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    There’s a load of them that will have no hope of getting a sniff of a ministry. The plan will be to keep them hidden and avoid any bloopers.

    Not doing a good job of that so far. I would have thought that if new SF were to be taken seriously then MLM should have issued strict party guidelines on any 'up the Ra'/triumphalist displays. Any sign of the old SF and you're out !
    The behaviour of Dessie Ellis and David Cullinane only served to show people that 'they' haven't gone away.


  • #5154
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Will be FF & FG along with the greens. There really is no other solution. Yeah people might not like Michael Martin but he will be the next taoiseach and most likely Coveney as taniste.

    Such a government will cause a crash within a year or two. We wouldn't have the ghost estates problem though. Everybody homeless with no money to buy a pitchfork to fend off the roaming wolf packs, could be tricky.


  • #5155
    jprender
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭jprender


    FF / FG / GREEN makes sense
    85 seats would be comfortable.

    Make big improvements to housing and health over the next 5 years, showing the electorate that they got the message, and all the protest votes that went to SF this time will go back to their normal place.

    We need a stable govt with a workable plan.


  • #5156
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Will be FF & FG along with the greens. There really is no other solution. Yeah people might not like Michael Martin but he will be the next taoiseach and most likely Coveney as taniste.

    14/1 for that to be the combination. Unlikely.


  • #5157
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Will be FF & FG along with the greens. There really is no other solution. Yeah people might not like Michael Martin but he will be the next taoiseach and most likely Coveney as taniste.

    FG and FF at the moment are trying to figure out what is best for them politically going forward, they couldn't really give 2 fúcks about forming a government for the "good of the country" and to be honest you couldn't begrudge them a day or 2 after the shock they just took.

    FG have categorically stated they will be in opposition with no confidence and supply arrangement.

    So it's basically up to FF, personally I think another election is probably less damaging for the party going forward.


  • #5158
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,457 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Seriously, what does that kind of disparaging commentary do for you? What do you get out of it?

    Just the truth Francois.... just the truth.


  • #5159
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Such a government will cause a crash within a year or two. We wouldn't have the ghost estates problem though. Everybody homeless with no money to buy a pitchfork to fend off the roaming wolf packs, could be tricky.

    I’d consider a party who want to increase the dole by 25 quid, get rid of the LPT, and increase employer prsi by 50% to be far more likely to cause a crash than Prudent Pascal and the lads. Just a hunch, dude.


  • #5160
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    jprender wrote: »
    FF / FG / GREEN makes sense
    85 seats would be comfortable.

    Make big improvements to housing and health over the next 5 years, showing the electorate that they got the message, and all the protest votes that went to SF this time will go back to their normal place.

    We need a stable govt with a workable plan.

    Considering they did noting on housing in 10 years. Why would they suddenly do something now in over next 5.

    They're two years behind in slainte care in3 years. They could be 6-7 years behind in 5 years time.

    No thanks


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  • #5161
    The Rape of Lucretia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    Mantis Toboggan wrote: »
    Will be FF & FG along with the greens. There really is no other solution.

    And its as it should be. It isnt even such a tortuous decision. Its selfevidently the most accurate representation of the desire of the electorate. Its bizarre even, that any there is any question over it.

    SF have painted themselves as untouchables. At least for this election. And shot themselves in the foot (or let their true nature cat out of the bag a little to clamourously) when they might have sustained a little more illusion that they were a reaonable party. And are lefty. Ireland, even when it was a poor country, never mustered any cohesive left. Even less so today, as one of the richest, highest living standard, countries in the world. There is indeed support for them. But it at an end of the spectrum, and bring issues that are very strongly unacceptable to a great majority.

    There is no case to be made for SF being part of a government being the best reflection of the Irish political wish.


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