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  • #1742
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Stop! stop! stop! The grand narrative is collapsing around me.

    bUiLDiNG aFfORDaBLE HOusInG iS imPOSSibLe! I dOn'T CaRe if AUSTriANS Do it. ThAT's dIFFeRent. TheY SPEak GeRMan.

    Since you have refused to come back and answer my multiple questions about how sinn fein are going to solve the housing issues and you then dump references to Austria I am going to challenge your typical shinner one line here.

    Yes Austria has subsidised affordable housing but why not flush it out a wee bit for the folks around here.

    For instance how many people want their affordable housing with absolutely no parking spaces ?
    I mean it's not as if we need cars since our public transport so shyte.

    Also when Irish people speak of housing they usually think of A HOUSE, not an apartment.
    And definitely not one in a big high rise.

    5b4e21541900002b00c65f11.jpeg?ops=scalefit_970_noupscale

    That is Alt-Erlaa municipal housing in Vienna.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #1743
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    That's cool. I disagree. Hardly 'silly games' as the poster put it.

    Come on an 'Irish language act' Michelle O'Neill no Irish and Mary Lou weak. They should be ashamed of themselves for politicizing the Irish language. That is another thing I would add to my list. I know many who refuse to wear a fainne because they are afraid they might be associated with the unsavory side of SF.

    Plus if republicans/nationalists in Ireland were really following the ideals of Griffith and Pearse they would not be speaking in the oppressors tongue surely?

    Also how would an Irish language act in NI help the Irish language develop in a practical sense?
    As usual with most of SF's main tenets it is merely symbolic or aspirational.

    I would be more impressed with Michelle O'Neill getting Irish lessons - a practical move.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1744
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Come on an 'Irish language act' Michelle O'Neil no Irishm and Mary Lou weak. They should be ashamed of themselves for politicizing the Irish language. That is another thing I would add to my list. I know many who refuse to wear a fainne because they are afraid they might be associated with the unsavory side of SF.

    Plus if republicans/nationalists in Ireland were really following the ideals of Griffith and Pearse they would not be speaking in the oppressors tongue surely?

    Also how would an Irish language act in NI help the Irish language develop in a practical sense?
    As usual with most of SF's main tenets it is merely symbolic or aspirational.

    I would be more impressed with Michelle O'Neill getting Irish lessons - a practical move.


    Northern Ireland Irish died out in the mid-1970s when the last native speaker passed away.

    There was a revival of the language happening at the same time, but it was the importation of Donegal Irish and it was non-native speakers. Very similar to how Ulster Scots is being revived today.


  • #1745
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,316 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Come on an 'Irish language act' Michelle O'Neil no Irishm and Mary Lou weak. They should be ashamed of themselves for politicizing the Irish language. That is another thing I would add to my list. I know many who refuse to wear a fainne because they are afraid they might be associated with the unsavory side of SF.

    Plus if republicans/nationalists in Ireland were really following the ideals of Griffith and Pearse they would not be speaking in the oppressors tongue surely?

    Also how would an Irish language act in NI help the Irish language develop in a practical sense?
    As usual with most of SF's main tenets it is merely symbolic or aspirational.

    I would be more impressed with Michelle O'Neill getting Irish lessons - a practical move.

    We get it Gormdubh, you are politically opposed to SF and their policys. It's ok...it's just a policy.
    You don't get to set other party's priorities. This is not a dictatorship.


  • #1746
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Reminded me of this:



    Not politics. And FG are not responsible. I will not be slipping in little digs about cars being robbed by FG now they'll lose the government cars.

    See same tactic again Matt try and one up murder, or protection of same - with car theft!

    I will give you a hint of what it would be called if Paul Quinn RIP - lived. It would be called Aggravated assault.
    But because he died it is called... murder

    Note how the person in your post was held accountable and there was justice?

    Gerry McCabe RIP only got justice in a round about way - because his Murderer Pearse McCauley stabbed his then wife Tully SF TD repeatedly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearse_McAuley

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #1747
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,227 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Reminded me of this:



    Not politics. And FG are not responsible. I will not be slipping in little digs about cars being robbed by FG now they'll lose the government cars.

    Jaysus if you are going to start comparing criminal links, you will have a hard time finding any FGers or even ffers that can surpass a guy found with explosives, whose fingerprints were on the explosives linked to the deaths of 11 people, who was deported from US and was sentenced to 10 odd years in prison.

    BTW the ex taoiseachs nephew wasn't ever running for election for the party unlike the above gent.

    But carry on there and we can all have a laugh.

    EDIT gormdubhgorm thanks for reminding us that another SF TD was married to a garda killer.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #1748
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Come on an 'Irish language act' Michelle O'Neil no Irishm and Mary Lou weak. They should be ashamed of themselves for politicizing the Irish language. That is another thing I would add to my list. I know many who refuse to wear a fainne because they are afraid they might be associated with the unsavory side of SF.

    Plus if republicans/nationalists in Ireland were really following the ideals of Griffith and Pearse they would not be speaking in the oppressors tongue surely?

    Also how would an Irish language act in NI help the Irish language develop in a practical sense?
    As usual with most of SF's main tenets it is merely symbolic or aspirational.

    I would be more impressed with Michelle O'Neill getting Irish lessons - a practical move.

    It's the culture and heritage of all Ireland and it's people, old or new. I don't speak it and I support it. To nip this in the bud, you may not agree it's important but that's okay.

    The rest of your post is irrelevant meanderings.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    Northern Ireland Irish died out in the mid-1970s when the last native speaker passed away.

    There was a revival of the language happening at the same time, but it was the importation of Donegal Irish and it was non-native speakers. Very similar to how Ulster Scots is being revived today.

    That's not true. Ulster Scots is a 'language' derived from slang derived from the phonetic pronunciation of a blend of Scots Gaelic and English.
    Why are you so against the Irish having their language but never critical of the Unionists having theres?


  • #1749
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    jmayo wrote: »
    Jaysus if you are going to start comparing criminal links, you will have a hard time finding any FGers or even ffers that can surpass a guy found with explosives, whose fingerprints were on the explosives linked to the deaths of 11 people, who was deported from US and was sentenced to 10 odd years in prison.

    BTW the ex taoiseachs nephew wasn't ever running for election for the party unlike the above gent.

    But carry on there and we can all have a laugh.

    EDIT gormdubhgorm thanks for reminding us that another SF TD was married to a garda killer.

    Nope. My post explains itself. I was having a laugh.
    If you want to use it as a jumping off point for irrelevancies about the 'RA, go for it.


  • #1750
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »


    That's not true. Ulster Scots is a 'language' derived from slang derived from the phonetic pronunciation of a blend of Scots Gaelic and English.
    Why are you so against the Irish having their language but never critical of the Unionists having theres?

    It is true that the last native speaker of Irish in Northern Ireland died in the 1970s and that any speakers in the North today are based on imported Southern dialects. That has been documented and explained on here many times.

    Edit: While it may be disputed as to whether Ulster Scots is a language or a dialect, it does seem that unlike Northern Ireland Irish, its speakers did not allow it to die out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_dialects


  • #1751
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    See same tactic again Matt try and one up murder, or protection of same - with car theft!

    I will give you a hint of what it would be called if Paul Quinn RIP - lived. It would be called Aggravated assault.
    But because he died it is called... murder

    Note how the person in your post was held accountable and there was justice?

    Gerry McCabe RIP only got justice in a round about way - because his Murderer Pearse McCauley stabbed his then wife Tully SF TD repeatedly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearse_McAuley

    You are dishonest and not having a genuine discussion. Also yawn inducing.


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  • #1752
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    It is true that the last native speaker of Irish in Northern Ireland died in the 1970s and that any speakers in the North today are based on imported Southern dialects. That has been documented and explained on here many times.

    I was speaking on Ulster-Scots and the similarities.

    Why so negative towards our language but seemingly no issue and defensive of Ulster-Scots?


  • #1753
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We get it Gormdubh, you are politically opposed to SF and their policys. It's ok...it's just a policy.
    You don't get to set other party's priorities. This is not a dictatorship.

    Not completely it is the level of SF hypocrisy that gets me.

    No to Sunningdale 1973 - yes to the GFA 1998

    Asks for accountability from others fraud and so (as is right) but on the other hand lets those republicans who commit murder have none.

    Claims to not want to live in the past on the one hand, but revels in it on the other.

    Irish language Act games is just another of thier hypocrisies.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1754
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You are dishonest and not having a genuine discussion. Also yawn inducing.

    Yeah the murder of an innocent man by scumbags is yawn inducing, good to know the mindset of the SF voter..


  • #1755
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Nope. My post explains itself. I was having a laugh.
    If you want to use it as a jumping off point for irrelevancies about the 'RA, go for it.

    I am sure that it is a real laugh for that young man with his troubles or his mother or his family to see his court case dragged onto these boards for no other reason than your personal amusement.


  • #1756
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You are dishonest and not having a genuine discussion. Also yawn inducing.

    How is that dishonest and you dismiss murder with a yawn?

    Wow.... cold blooded.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1757
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah the murder of an innocent man by scumbags is yawn inducing, good to know the mindset of the SF voter..

    It is when you hear about it over and over and over and over regarding the election. To me anyway.
    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    How is that dishonest and you dismiss murder with a yawn?

    Wow.... cold blooded.

    I don't think you care one bit. Using it to score points is disgraceful and now very tiresome.
    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am sure that it is a real laugh for that young man with his troubles or his mother or his family to see his court case dragged onto these boards for no other reason than your personal amusement.

    It did amuse me in the context presented. Very much so. Aye.

    FYI: the faux morals isn't fooling anyone lads.

    Free pass for FF continues....


  • #1758
    shesty
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,918 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    For anyone having doubts about the continued existence of the IRA...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sinn-f%C3%A9in-vice-president-michelle-o-neill-targeted-by-dissident-plot-1.4170433?mode=amp

    Myself, I don't care what SF say they will do.I will never be able to separate them from the IRA.It was a background to too many of my years growing up, and I don't even live up North.It is too recent for too many people, and giving them the benefit of the doubt is just a step too far.I don't have an allegiance to anyone else btw, and I believe all parties are very similar.But SF are something else entirely.


  • #1759
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    It is when you hear about it over and over and over and over. To me anyway

    Yeah cos the truth hurts doesn’t it? It’s not going to go away.


  • #1760
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah cos the truth hurts doesn’t it? It’s not going to go away.

    I don't care. Keep it up. I find it tiresome out of context and used as a distraction. If you really cared you wouldn't be so disrespectful.


  • #1761
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    It is when you hear about it over and over and over and over. To me anyway.



    It did amuse me in the context presented. Very much so. Aye.

    What saddens me is you tried to one up murder with a former taoiseachs 18 nephew robbing a car, burglary, and taking drugs. A person with no involvement with politics. And no connection other than by familial relation.

    The key point here was he was held accountable for his actions in a court of law.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taoiseachs-nephew-jailed-for-burglary-drugs-and-car-theft-29070671.html

    But somehow you seem to think it is OK that SF protect republicans from prosecution for murder?

    Where is the justice where is the accountability?

    At this stage I think you are either having a laugh. or psychotic?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #1762
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,316 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Not completely it is the level of SF hypocrisy that gets me.

    No to Sunningdale 1973 - yes to the GFA 1998

    They weren't fecking involved in 'Sunningdale'. And it is crucially different in a number of respects to the GFA.

    And it was BROUGHT DOWN BY UNIONISTS in collusion with elements of the British.
    Asks for accountability from others fraud and so (as is right) but on the other hand lets those republicans who commit murder have none.
    Here you go...wittering on about SF having no respect for the police and the courts and you are showing you have none.
    If republicans are with-holding information then they should be charged with that.

    Claims to not want to live in the past on the one hand, but revels in it on the other.

    Who has claimed that it is wrong to remember?
    Irish language Act games is just another of thier hypocrisies.
    It isn't a priority for you, and neither is parity of esteem. OK, We get it.


  • #1763
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I don't care. Keep it up. I find it tiresome out of context and used as a distraction. If you really cared you wouldn't be so disrespectful.

    The only people being disrespected are his family. Scumbags are scumbags and no amount of deflecting by you or how you feel about it is going to change that fact


  • #1764
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shesty wrote: »
    For anyone having doubts about the continued existence of the IRA...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/sinn-f%C3%A9in-vice-president-michelle-o-neill-targeted-by-dissident-plot-1.4170433?mode=amp

    Myself, I don't care what SF say they will do.I will never be able to separate them from the IRA.It was a background to too many of my years growing up, and I don't even live up North.It is too recent for too many people, and giving them the benefit of the doubt is just a step too far.I don't have an allegiance to anyone else btw, and I believe all parties are very similar.But SF are something else entirely.

    So sf and the ira are one and the same by your logic, but the ira are now threatening their politicians in the north according to the link you provided.


  • #1765
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    They weren't fecking involved in 'Sunningdale'. And it is crucially different in a number of respects to the GFA.

    Exactly, SF were not involved like eejits, but everyone knows sunningdale and the GFA were effectively the same. The GFA was based on it. Mallon called it Sunningdale for slow learners.




    Who has claimed that it is wrong to remember?


    It isn't a priority for you, and neither is parity of esteem. OK, We get it.

    You did not even want the RIC remembered!

    Plus most hardline republicans do not remember republicanism, they glorify it and create myths around it. To suit the agenda.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1766
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I was speaking on Ulster-Scots and the similarities.

    Why so negative towards our language but seemingly no issue and defensive of Ulster-Scots?

    I am just explaining the facts, that is all.


  • #1767
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    So sf and the ira are one and the same by your logic, but the ira are now threatening their politicians in the north according to the link you provided.

    Same linage different generation - those threatening MON will be in the dail/stormont in a few decades

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • #1768
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Same linage different generation - those threatening MON will be in the dail/stormont in a few decades

    So where are the dup recruiting from


  • #1769
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    What saddens me is you tried to one up murder with a former taoiseachs 18 nephew robbing a car, burglary, and taking drugs. A person with no involvement with politics. And no connection other than by familial relation.

    The key point here was he was held accountable for his actions in a court of law.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taoiseachs-nephew-jailed-for-burglary-drugs-and-car-theft-29070671.html

    But somehow you seem to think it is OK that SF protect republicans from prosecution for murder?

    Where is the justice where is the accountability?

    At this stage I think you are either having a laugh. or psychotic?

    Don't be sad. That's a lie.
    You're becoming a parody of yourself.
    You mentioned a younger relative you might have to keep an eye on and it reminded me of Kenny's nephew. Funny to me.
    I think you're a spin merchant and a liar.


  • #1770
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,371 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Here you go...wittering on about SF having no respect for the police and the courts and you are showing you have none.
    If republicans are with-holding information then they should be charged with that.

    Where have I shown no respect for the courts or police?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #1771
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    The only people being disrespected are his family. Scumbags are scumbags and no amount of deflecting by you or how you feel about it is going to change that fact

    I could say people using the murder and grief of the mother to score points are scumbags. I ain't deflecting sh*t comrade. I'm just not really interested :)


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