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is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:07AM

listermint wrote: »

So they do get bad press and negative campaigns against them.

Because previously you implied they didn't.

Now your saying they bring it on themselves.

Just asking because you change direction so often

Not sure if you are actually reading all of what I've posted so one last time. Yes they do as others do. Quite a bit of theirs is linked to their own stance, i.e. it makes them a target. They are not inclined to change that so on it will go.

Edgware · 11-02-2020 10:08AM

celt262 wrote: »

Up the RA

Says the lad who would **** in his pants if a baloon burst

Ush1 · 11-02-2020 10:08AM

Suckit wrote: »

Helen McEntee on the radio earlier, if that's FG's stance, I wouldn't be happy as one of the 22% that voted for them.
She could only repeat herself over and over.
"The onus is on Mary Lou to form a government"

Somebody should break it to them, FG need to be attempting something too. It is becoming all too apparent that FG are not part of any solution. They seem to think that they are being clever by repeatedly not being willing to work with any of the other parties, but the public can only see adults acting like babies. Leo needs to go, it is the 2nd worst performance by a FG party ever, and nobody can say that FG/FF didn't push the voters into looking elsewhere. FG as usual unwilling to take any blame.
The only way they can move forward properly is to remove any and all hinderances to their performance and progression, and somebody needs to take responsibility for that, which should be the leader of their party.

Surely FG going into opposition is them accepting some blame and acknowledging the will of the electorate?

Jinglejangle69 · 11-02-2020 10:09AM

Suckit wrote: »

Helen McEntee on the radio earlier, if that's FG's stance, I wouldn't be happy as one of the 22% that voted for them.
She could only repeat herself over and over.
"The onus is on Mary Lou to form a government"

Somebody should break it to them, FG need to be attempting something too. It is becoming all too apparent that FG are not part of any solution. They seem to think that they are being clever by repeatedly not being willing to work with any of the other parties, but the public can only see adults acting like babies. Leo needs to go, it is the 2nd worst performance by a FG party ever, and nobody can say that FG/FF didn't push the voters into looking elsewhere. FG as usual unwilling to take any blame.
The only way they can move forward properly is to remove any and all hinderances to their performance and progression, and somebody needs to take responsibility for that, which should be the leader of their party.

Look FG were booted out.

The obsession with SF supporters to keep slating them even after the beating they got reeks of deflection because they know the pressure is on to finally do something.

FG are the least of your worries.

FrancieBrady · 11-02-2020 10:09AM

Suckit wrote: »

Helen McEntee on the radio earlier, if that's FG's stance, I wouldn't be happy as one of the 22% that voted for them.
She could only repeat herself over and over.
"The onus is on Mary Lou to form a government"

Somebody should break it to them, FG need to be attempting something too. It is becoming all too apparent that FG are not part of any solution. They seem to think that they are being clever by repeatedly not being willing to work with any of the other parties, but the public can only see adults acting like babies. Leo needs to go, it is the 2nd worst performance by a FG party ever, and nobody can say that FG/FF didn't push the voters into looking elsewhere. FG as usual unwilling to take any blame.
The only way they can move forward properly is to remove any and all hinderances to their performance and progression, and somebody needs to take responsibility for that, which should be the leader of their party.

In ordinary times both the leaders of FF and FG would be considering their positions.
I can't see how they can survive for long.

Rufeo · 11-02-2020 10:10AM

If FFG are smart (I doubt it), they should just step back to let Sinn Fein have a crack at government. Let's see what they can (and can't) do.

meeeeh · 11-02-2020 10:10AM

This is actually going ok for the FF and FG. The antics and flags in count centres gave FG and FF perfect excuse to say we didn't win an election and we can't go in with them. I'm starting to think FF might be strategically happier they have 38 seats and not 45. As are FG. They can sit on their hands and watch SF form a government they said they didn't want to form. And if there is another election with SF winning more seats then they can sit on their hands again and watch SF form left government. Listening to Richard Boud Barrett today it's clear he would like to be anywhere but in government.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:10AM

Suckit wrote: »

Helen McEntee on the radio earlier, if that's FG's stance, I wouldn't be happy as one of the 22% that voted for them.
She could only repeat herself over and over.
"The onus is on Mary Lou to form a government"

Somebody should break it to them, FG need to be attempting something too. It is becoming all too apparent that FG are not part of any solution. They seem to think that they are being clever by repeatedly not being willing to work with any of the other parties, but the public can only see adults acting like babies. Leo needs to go, it is the 2nd worst performance by a FG party ever, and nobody can say that FG/FF didn't push the voters into looking elsewhere. FG as usual unwilling to take any blame.
The only way they can move forward properly is to remove any and all hinderances to their performance and progression, and somebody needs to take responsibility for that, which should be the leader of their party.

Not really sure what you're saying here. They should be doing something but are part of the problems? Their party membership would have to vote on this and they clearly say No to SF, even if Varadkar was inclined to be open about it.

limnam · 11-02-2020 10:11AM

seamus wrote: »

These two statements are more related than you think. When people are looking for politicians to sort out the housing and homeless crisis, then a TD celebrating with "Up the RA" and talking about Northern Ireland, is going to concern them. Are Sinn Féin going to spend all their time banging on about a united ireland when there are more important things to deal with?

Might be an idea to firstly see if they get into government.
Then have a look at how they perform.

If they can make good progress on the top issues for not just SF's voters but for the country. Then we can evaluate that.

But I'd like to see my license fee not get swallowed up by two incompetent TD's who can't string a sentence together waste air time tackling Eoin O'Broin on what his mate said in the pub.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:11AM

Rufeo wrote: »

If FFG are smart (I doubt it), they should just step back to let Sinn Fein have a crack at government. Let's see what they can (and can't) do.

No, this is what is happening at present. It suits them to go of and review their performance.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:12AM

meeeeh wrote: »

This is actually going ok for the FF and FG. The antics and flags in count centres gave FG and FF perfect excuse to say we didn't win an election and we can't go in with them. I'm starting to think FF might be strategically happier they have 38 seats and not 45. As are FG. They can sit on their hands and watch SF form a government they said they didn't want to form. And if there is another election with SF winning more seats then they can sit on their hands again and watch SF form left government. Listening to Richard Boud Barrett today it's clear he would like to be anywhere but in government.

He wouldn't be able to put it to the man!

Boggles · 11-02-2020 10:12AM

Suckit wrote: »

Leo needs to go, it is the 2nd worst performance by a FG party ever, and nobody can say that FG/FF didn't push the voters into looking elsewhere. FG as usual unwilling to take any blame.

Simon is the obvious leader of FG for me, but there isn't much back lash against Leo from within so far anyway.

I don't actually think FG had a terrible election.

Now there has been a seismic shift and both FF and FG got absolutely battered, but to be the incumbent government for 9 years and get 35 seats in the current climate on reflection is not a complete disaster.

LeinsterDub · 11-02-2020 10:13AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In ordinary times both the leaders of FF and FG would be considering their positions.
I can't see how they can survive for long.

They are looking not too far down the road to the election in May /June.

McMurphy · 11-02-2020 10:13AM

Rufeo wrote: »

If FFG are smart (I doubt it), they should just step back to let Sinn Fein have a crack at government. Let's see what they can (and can't) do.

If posters on here were smart, they'd get out the abacus and realise a govt without either 2 of the big 3, or all 3 together, the numbers simply aren't there for SF to form a govt. Not a realistic govt, it's simply not feasible.

It simple math tbh. Either FG or FF will have to wind the necks in, or its back to the polls. There's no realistic alternative outcome here.

Time to stop deluding ourselves.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:14AM

limnam wrote: »

Might be an idea to firstly see if they get into government.
Then have a look at how they perform.

If they can make good progress on the top issues for not just SF's voters but for the country. Then we can evaluate that.

But I'd like to see my license fee not get swallowed up by two incompetent TD's who can't string a sentence together waste air time tackling Eoin O'Broin on what his mate said in the pub.

I think they'll duck behind Slaintecare on Health but I'd favour another O'Reilly in Health anyway to show they can walk the walk!

LeinsterDub · 11-02-2020 10:14AM

Rufeo wrote: »

If FFG are smart (I doubt it), they should just step back to let Sinn Fein have a crack at government. Let's see what they can (and can't) do.

What they can't do is invent the seats required to have a crack. FF or FG would need to offer a S&C also.

FrancieBrady · 11-02-2020 10:15AM

meeeeh wrote: »

This is actually going ok for the FF and FG. The antics and flags in count centres gave FG and FF perfect excuse to say we didn't win an election and we can't go in with them. I'm starting to think FF might be strategically happier they have 38 seats and not 45. As are FG. They can sit on their hands and watch SF form a government they said they didn't want to form. And if there is another election with SF winning more seats then they can sit on their hands again and watch SF form left government. Listening to Richard Boud Barrett today it's clear he would like to be anywhere but in government.

If FF FG wish to project the image they would rather watch the country burn than swallow some high moral ground lumps in their throats then bring it on. I think the Irish electorate empowered themselves on Saturday and they will punish them heavily.

facehugger99 · 11-02-2020 10:15AM

Edgware wrote: »

Says the lad who would **** in his pants if a baloon burst

Sounds like the perfect qualities for an 'I Ran Away' member.

Suckit · 11-02-2020 10:15AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not really sure what you're saying here. They should be doing something but are part of the problems? Their party membership would have to vote on this and they clearly say No to SF, even if Varadkar was inclined to be open about it.

They could also look at the Greens and FF.
They aren't willing to look at any solutions at all.
Leo needs to go. If FG are going to repeat the same sentence "The public voted didn't vote FG" over and over, then then need to look at why, and make changes.
As leader during their 2nd worst performance ever, he should do the right thing and step down, especially if they're not willing to do anything else.

Wanderer78 · 11-02-2020 10:15AM

Boggles wrote:

Now there has been a seismic shift and both FF and FG got absolutely battered, but to be the incumbent government for 9 years and get 35 seats in the current climate on reflection is not a complete disaster.

A semi disaster maybe

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:15AM

McMurphy wrote: »

If posters on here were smart, they'd get out the abacus and realise a govt without either 2 of the big 3, or all 3 together, the numbers simply aren't there for SF to form a govt. Not a realistic govt, it's simply not feasible.

It simple math tbh. Either FG or FF will have to wind the necks in, or its back to the polls. There's no realistic alternative outcome here.

Time to stop deluding ourselves.

Their members say no just as other parties consult their members on positions and if that means a new election they'll accept that.

JohnnyFlash · 11-02-2020 10:16AM

McMurphy wrote: »

If posters on here were smart, they'd get out the abacus and realise a govt without either 2 of the big 3, or all 3 together, the numbers simply aren't there for SF to form a govt. Not a realistic govt, it's simply not feasible.

It simple math tbh. Either FG or FF will have to wind the necks in, or its back to the polls. There's no realistic alternative outcome here.

Time to stop deluding ourselves.

FF, SF and the Greens.

That works, the people voted for change, and the country needs stability. PP have it at 2/1. I get the feeling SF supporters are getting worried about the prospect of government. Hurlers on the ditch.

It’s also maths, not math. It’s a deeply annoying Americanism that has creeped in around here recently.

LuckyLloyd · 11-02-2020 10:17AM

is_that_so wrote: »

From the various bits I've read on soundings in the other two parties that is a pretty firm No. It's also a fairly disingenuous claim when you look at how many in the Dail have not been open to government down the years. It also leaves them wide open to criticism of negative campaigning.

Did you mean to reply to a different post?

I’m not sure I follow the above in the context of what I wrote

meeeeh · 11-02-2020 10:17AM

McMurphy wrote: »

If posters on here were smart, they'd get out the abacus and realise a govt without either 2 of the big 3, or all 3 together, the numbers simply aren't there for SF to form a govt. Not a realistic govt, it's simply not feasible.

It simple math tbh. Either FG or FF will have to wind the necks in, or its back to the polls. There's no realistic alternative outcome here.

Time to stop deluding ourselves.

So let them go back to the polls. And if SF get more let them form a government. Them and left leaning parties could get enough to form a government and then they would have to act the way they are saying they will. The other two big parties don't need to destroy their image by going into a coalition with SF. At least one of them would be in power after a year or two again.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:19AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FF, SF and the Greens.

That works, the people voted for change, and the country needs stability. PP have it at 2/1. I get the feeling SF supporters are getting worried about the prospect of government. Hurlers on the ditch.

It’s also maths, not math. It’s a deeply annoying Americanism that has creeped in around here recently.

I actually wonder about the core talent that might be available to a putative government. There is some in SF, but it falls off a cliff very rapidly.

Idbatterim · 11-02-2020 10:20AM

Suckit wrote: »

They could also look at the Greens and FF.
They aren't willing to look at any solutions at all.
Leo needs to go. If FG are going to repeat the same sentence "The public voted didn't vote FG" over and over, then then need to look at why, and make changes.
As leader during their 2nd worst performance ever, he should do the right thing and step down, especially if they're not willing to do anything else.

He just got in by the skin of his teeth. Damaging for fg. Run other election and get him out. Not a chance I’ll vote fg as long as he is leader

meeeeh · 11-02-2020 10:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If FF FG wish to project the image they would rather watch the country burn than swallow some high moral ground lumps in their throats then bring it on. I think the Irish electorate empowered themselves on Saturday and they will punish them heavily.

Let them. And let the empowered electorate watch left wing government. It will be a comedy.

is_that_so · 11-02-2020 10:20AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Did you mean to reply to a different post?

I’m not sure I follow the above in the context of what I wrote

Just adding more information. Not every post is an attempted rebuttal!

seamus · 11-02-2020 10:21AM

Suckit wrote: »

Somebody should break it to them, FG need to be attempting something too.

So, Sinn Féin to have been going on and on about "change", urging voters to kick out the government, and practically wetting their pants seeing Varadkar not get in on the first count.

But now they're complaining that FG aren't going into government?

That's talking out of both sides of your mouth taken to a new level.

FG are out of government, pushed out by the voters, at the insistence of SF & FF.

It's time for SF & FF to pull on their big boy pants and stop pointing at FG. They asked for FG to get out of government. Job done. It's hypocritical now for them to insist that FG try get back in.

LuckyLloyd · 11-02-2020 10:23AM

Rufeo wrote: »

If FFG are smart (I doubt it), they should just step back to let Sinn Fein have a crack at government. Let's see what they can (and can't) do.

This stuff is meaningless empty statements. ‘Let SF have a crack at it’ because they think they’ll fail and FFG can sweep back in within the year.

FFG need to start negotiating with SF as equal partners or go back to the polls with the wind in their face. They can’t both hang back I’m afraid because the numbers don’t allow them to.

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