GE Exit Poll 10 pm

Yurt! wrote: »

This FG denialism about their poor performance in government on key issues and issuing dire warnings about a party that isn't even government yet is quite something.

It's like someone getting fired from an office for a litany of screwups, and they're shouting at the new-hire accusing them of being a sex offender as they're being escorted out the door.

Are FG in denial ? I've seen several FG TDs acknowledge that the campaign didn't go at all well. Denial would be pretending it all went well which I've not seen on TV or radio from FG. They've said they won't go into coalition with SF which leaves FF having to square a circle about SF and coalition. I think we need to see 160/160 on the RTE election results page and then we will see the lay of the land. I think for anyone to assume or presume how this will play out is very premature.

If Sinn Fein were to say to PBP/SOL, I4C and other like minded TDs that benefitted hugely from the Sinn Fein surpluses, "we won't run a second candidate against ye in the next election if ye row in behind us now", then effectively Sinn Fein have mid 40s or more TDs now. I can't see how those other TDs could go against them now given the results of this election.

In such a situation, they could then set the agenda for a coalition with say FF as the junior partner. Then if such negotiations didn't work out, FF would probably get the blame for causing another election.

Yurt! wrote: »

This FG denialism about their poor performance in government on key issues and issuing dire warnings about a party that isn't even government yet is quite something.

It's like someone getting fired from an office for a litany of screwups, and they're shouting at the new-hire accusing them of being a sex offender as they're being escorted out the door.

FG and FF are completely blind to reality. I think FG has some kind of echo chamber with the 65+ generation. In their mind FG are heavenly saints that can do no wrong. Its just a pity the ignored the rest of the population.

threeball wrote: »

If you think SF are going to tackle the unions you're going to be disappointed. Its why nothing will happen in health bar pi$$ing money away and why they'll get no further down the road than what went before. I've dealt with senior civil servants, they won't take a dump unless they can get someone else to sign off on it.

Correct, do you expect Louise O Reilly to sort out health?

Not unless she has billions to pump in to it.

And who do you think will have to pay.........:D


You and me..........

Deleted User wrote: »

Please stop. You are just proving that you don't understand tax law. The amounts reckonable for each E.U. Country where tax should have rightly been paid are not assessible at this stage.

I understand how the courts work and there has been no final decision. Just because the Fine Gael spin unit put fake news out there that Ireland will share the kitty does not make it true until such time as the European Court of Justice rules it that way. Yet we are told this ad nauseum. Some posters on here have swallowed the spin hook,line and sinker and repeat it verbatim without engaging their critical faculties. Until the ECJ rule on whether or not ASI is an Irish company nobody knows that with any certainty. Verstager said other countries "could" put a claim in, she never said they would win it. These are the undisputed facts separated from the FG spin.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Correct, do you expect Louise O Reilly to sort out health?

Not unless she has billions to pump in to it.

And who do you think will have to pay.........:D


You and me..........

Who is paying for it now Brendan?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is paying for it now Brendan?

You'll soon be paying a lot more to still sit in the waiting room at A&E

Muahahaha wrote: »

I understand how the courts work and there has been no final decision. Just because the Fine Gael spin unit put fake news out there that Ireland will share the kitty does not make it true until such time as the European Court of Justice rules it that way. Yet we are told this ad nauseum. Some posters on here have swallowed the spin hook,line and sinker and repeat it verbatim without engaging their critical faculties. Until the ECJ rule on whether or not ASI is an Irish company nobody knows that with any certainty. Verstager said other countries "could" put a claim in, she never said they would win it. These are the undisputed facts separated from the FG spin.

Pretty sure the FG, FF and Revenue position is they want to give it all back to Apple. Do you have a link for this sharing the kitty claim? It's going to take years before it's resolved and my bet is still firmly on the IRS taking it.

threeball wrote: »

You'll soon be paying a lot more to still sit in the waiting room at A&E

If that's the case, then we vote out those who have failed.
If SF get into government, it doesn't stay that way for all time...you do realise this?

is_that_so wrote: »

Not unless you want widespread strikes.

Don't see why cutting down waste would lead to strikes.


I'm not necessarily discussing losing jobs.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Ha! Didn’t think so!

Forgive me Father for I have sinned

Yurt! wrote: »

This FG denialism about their poor performance in government on key issues and issuing dire warnings about a party that isn't even government yet is quite something.

It's like someone getting fired from an office for a litany of screwups, and they're shouting at the new-hire accusing them of being a sex offender as they're being escorted out the door.

Always love your metaphors Yurt!

Suckit wrote: »

I don't get why FFFG woudn't form a coalition if they are so against SF getting into power.
The two of them, Greens and Labour would surely be enough.
See how long that lasts. Out of all the immediate options, it's likely to be last the longest.

80% of the electorate said no to FG, what is hard to understand about that? They have absolutely no mandate for government. They need to go to the opposition benches and recover under Coveney.

Deleted User wrote: »

You do realise that FG were in a confidence and supply deal with FF and FF only wanted social welfare sweeties for the public. FF didn't want to have to deal with the negative reports from the harder left parties on this topic. increasing thresholds would have been good but FG have had their hands tied for the duration of their last term. FF deserve more abuse that they have got.
It was never in FGs DNA to give €5 increases in social welfare year after year while giving the working poor maybe 50 cent or 1 euro in tax reductions in the same budgets.
Those FG budgets were uncharacteristically un-FG type budgets.

Try reading my post again. Actually it would be to your beneficent to actually consider what other people say, and try to understand their point, before going on the attack with pure waffle and hyperbole

It wasn't the case that they would be giving something away, and certainly not giving away to those on social welfare that you seem to want to blame for everything. Those individuals are according to you are living in free housing provided by the state and so would never inherit property.

The point I was making is that FF and FG dramatically slashed the thresholds for inheritance, significantly below the typical cost of a home in the Dublin area. They hit hard the very people they claim to represent.

They could have raised the threshold but to balance that remove that threshold from subsequent properties when more than one property was bequeathed. The result would be the very people FG claim to represent would have significantly benefited without the government spending a single cent.

FF missed out on the last seat in Louth. They got no seat in a 5 seater after getting 14% of the vote, the quota was 16.7%! They are transfer toxic in this election. That means they are heading for 38 seats, SF have 37.