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Suckit · 06-02-2020 02:13AM

F*cking hilarious that Leo has said as a last resort FG will prop up FF, after FF just propped up FG and it failed. As close as we may ever get to them admitting they are the same party until they merge.

Anyone that thinks our Government doesn't need a massive shakeup, fair enough, it's nice to know somebody is getting everything that they could want from them.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 02:15AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I think Wasters paying 50 euro a week for a 3 bed house is quite affordable.

If they even bother paying it.

And you want more of this.

Absolute chancers.

I agree, there are a huge amount of piss takers. The problem is, the system encourages them. then you have the real problem im my opinion, huge amounts of hard working people screwed by this crisis. There has been far too much money thrown at those on welfare and the social housing, worth a fortune, being given away is indifensible. They need to introduce a council tax, like in the uk, that all adults pay, no exemptions...

I really think they will need another bust though, to implent, what actually is going to have to be done here, because its ridiculously unsustainable...

Calhoun · 06-02-2020 02:17AM

Suckit wrote: »

F*cking hilarious that Leo has said as a last resort FG will prop up FF, after FF just propped up FG and it failed. As close as we may ever get to them admitting they are the same party until they merge.

Anyone that thinks our Government doesn't need a massive shakeup, fair enough, it's nice to know somebody is getting everything that they could want from the Government.

It does need a massive shakeup but it also needs the right party to do it. SF are bit by bit getting better at it but they need to make sure they have the homework done fully.

The constituency im voting in the councilor looking for a seat is on holidays. I think that will cost them.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 02:30AM

Suckit wrote: »

F*cking hilarious that Leo has said as a last resort FG will prop up FF, after FF just propped up FG and it failed. As close as we may ever get to them admitting they are the same party until they merge.

Anyone that thinks our Government doesn't need a massive shakeup, fair enough, it's nice to know somebody is getting everything that they could want from them.

they absolutely wont merge, for so many reasons. if they merged, they would lose seats for one. you think many of the older people who swear by FF or FG would vote for "the other side?" Id say they would be so disgusted, they would vote for alternatives. Absolutely handing power over to all the other current options for a start. It is never going to happen. No chance!

Suckit · 06-02-2020 02:30AM

Calhoun wrote: »

It does need a massive shakeup but it also needs the right party to do it. SF are bit by bit getting better at it but they need to make sure they have the homework done fully.

The constituency im voting in the councilor looking for a seat is on holidays. I think that will cost them.

When do you think the next time an opportunity like this is going to arrive?
I think FF and FG have too much Bullsh*t sewn up.

They need a good kick, and with the economy likely to take a turn for the worse soon anyway I can't see them making any bigger a mess than the other two.

There are a thousand ways it could go.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 02:32AM

Suckit wrote: »

When do you think the next time an opportunity like this is going to arrive?
I think FF and FG have too much Bullsh*t sewn up.

They need a good kick, and with the economy likely to take a turn for the worse soon anyway I can't see them making any bigger a mess than the other two.

There are a thousand ways it could go.

I think the opportunity could come along again in the not too distant future. There is just no way, when you hear all the waffle, the same we have been hearing for years, that inroads will be made, at a pace the public will be happy with. I see things getting worse for FFG , next time round and I strongly suspect, that is what we will have... Now when an election gets called, government collapses etc, the next election, that could be the beginning of the end for the overwhelming influence FFG have had on politics here for decades...

Suckit · 06-02-2020 02:35AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

they absolutely wont merge, for so many reasons. if they merged, they would lose seats for one. you think many of the older people who swear by FF or FG would vote for "the other side?" Id say they would be so disgusted, they would vote for alternatives. Absolutely handing power over to all the other current options for a start. It is never going to happen. No chance!

I wasn't serious.

I meant in a kind of tongue in cheek way.
I can't see either of them giving up the very lucrative position that they currently have in the public minds.

Vote FF until they f*ck up really bad, then vote FG (because they are the only party big enough to dislodge them). Remember why nobody en masse really votes FG unless they are p*ssed off with FF, and go back to voting FF.
Repeat.

Calhoun · 06-02-2020 02:36AM

Suckit wrote: »

When do you think the next time an opportunity like this is going to arrive?
I think FF and FG have too much Bullsh*t sewn up.

They need a good kick, and with the economy likely to take a turn for the worse soon anyway I can't see them making any bigger a mess than the other two.

There are a thousand ways it could go.

The seem to be doing better each time around, success this time around could get them into a position where they put up enough seats to get a majority. Its my understanding they havent got enough seats to do that now.

As i said above in my local SF rep is on holidays. Doesn't give you the confidence in them taking it seriously this time around.

Suckit · 06-02-2020 02:36AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

I think the opportunity could come along again in the not too distant future. There is just no way, when you hear all the waffle, the same we have been hearing for years, that inroads will be made, at a pace the public will be happy with. I see things getting worse for FFG , next time round and I strongly suspect, that is what we will have... Now when an election gets called, government collapses etc, the next election, that could be the beginning of the end for the overwhelming influence FFG have had on politics here for decades...

Why wait???
This is the opportunity so many have bitched and moaned about for so long.. (And not really an opportunity, as they don't have nearly enough members to create a majority)

Now it's a possibility (to shake up - and let's be clear, that's probably about as good as it will get) ..

If SF looked in any way to threaten anything else, that would be the end of it.

Calhoun · 06-02-2020 02:41AM

They are running 42 candidates in comparison to FF 84 and FG 82. Only chance they would have is if they got ever seat going but as i said Kildare South they probably will loose because the candidate is not there.

Source https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/sinn-fein-has-no-realistic-chance-of-being-in-government-says-micheal-martin-979282.html

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 02:43AM

Suckit wrote: »

Why wait???
This is the opportunity so many have bitched and moaned about for so long.. (And not really an opportunity, as they don't have nearly enough members to create a majority)

Now it's a possibility (to shake up - and let's be clear, that's probably about as good as it will get) ..

If SF looked in any way to threaten anything else, that would be the end of it.

SF havent run enough candidates, its not that I dont think it is the time, FFG will do anything to keep SF out. I think FFG will lose seats in total, this election. When the next election is called and the issues havent been addressed by FFG (which they wont have been) SF will be running way more candidates and at that stage, along with a shift to the left (largely on housing grounds) from hundreds of thousands of people, many previous FFG voters. There could be a seismic shift in Irish politics...

Suckit · 06-02-2020 02:46AM

Calhoun wrote: »

The seem to be doing better each time around, success this time around could get them into a position where they put up enough seats to get a majority. Its my understanding they havent got enough seats to do that now.

As i said above in my local SF rep is on holidays. Doesn't give you the confidence in them taking it seriously this time around.

No, I don't think anyone including SF expected this surge, but it is also possible (I have no idea where your candidate is on holiday), that they booked it before Leo announced the GE, and it wasn't cheap/they were told to go.
But that's about as defensible as that can get, unless they have had a particularly bad time (death, illness etc.).
Success this time could and likely would get them ready for the next GE, but it also depends on whether or not they are willing to trust FF (and FG) if they did go into coalition.

Failure this time would surely be the end of them. Maybe not, but it would be a tough road back.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 02:49AM

people questions Sf competence etc, have they had any moron ministers drive down the steps at leinster house?

Suckit · 06-02-2020 02:50AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

SF havent run enough candidates, its not that I dont think it is the time, FFG will do anything to keep SF out. I think FFG will lose seats in total, this election. When the next election is called and the issues havent been addressed by FFG (which they wont have been) SF will be running way more candidates and at that stage, along with a shift to the left (largely on housing grounds) from hundreds of thousands of people, many previous FFG voters. There could be a seismic shift in Irish politics...

That's a gamble I wouldn't be willing to take. The next election (without SF) could be 5 years away, or whenever they see the public opinion swaying in their favour.

Idbatterim · 06-02-2020 02:51AM

Suckit wrote: »

That's a gamble I wouldn't be willing to take. The next election (without SF) could be 5 years away, or whenever they see the public opinion swaying in their favour.

yeah it could be five years away, I doubt it though. Everything here happens in a glacial manner, if its FFG in power, the glacial manner wont cut it any more after nine years. Things will get worse and people absolutely wont have five years of patience!

If they think throwing some pitance at us every budget, will buy people's vote or silence? those days are long gone!

Calhoun · 06-02-2020 02:55AM

Suckit wrote: »

No, I don't think anyone including SF expected this surge, but it is also possible (I have no idea where your candidate is on holiday), that they booked it before Leo announced the GE, and it wasn't cheap/they were told to go.
But that's about as defensible as that can get, unless they have had a particularly bad time (death, illness etc.).
Success this time could and likely would get them ready for the next GE, but it also depends on whether or not they are willing to trust FF (and FG) if they did go into coalition.

Failure this time would surely be the end of them. Maybe not, but it would be a tough road back.

It doesn't matter the GE should be the only show in town, its like applying for a job and not turning up to the interview. Apparently what you have said happened but as i said its not much of a defense for people who are voting on saturday.

I think they have to build a stepping stone to it, they should aim to be a credible opposition. Right now the opposition is nearly considered FF even though they are supporting the government. If SF get more seats than FG they would be the clear opposition party.

From there its simply a case of building and moving past allot of the gotchas in this campaign.

Suckit · 06-02-2020 03:00AM

Calhoun wrote: »

It doesn't matter the GE should be the only show in town, its like applying for a job and not turning up to the interview. Apparently what you have said happened but as i said its not much of a defense for people who are voting on saturday.

I think they have to build a stepping stone to it, they should aim to be a credible opposition. Right now the opposition is nearly considered FF even though they are supporting the government. If SF get more seats than FG they would be the clear opposition party.

From there its simply a case of building and moving past allot of the gotchas in this campaign.

I wasn't defending, I am surmising. It would be in my head to put my family first, and maybe hope the public sees it that way, if not, so be it. (I have no idea about her situation).

SF do not have to go into coalition either, and as mentioned MM could go for a minority government.

That might give SF enough time to get their numbers up for the next election, but would still require them getting a lot of votes this time..

Calhoun · 06-02-2020 03:05AM

Suckit wrote: »

I wasn't defending, I am surmising. It would be in my head to put my family first, and maybe hope the public sees it that way, if not, so be it. (I have no idea about her situation).

SF do not have to go into coalition either, and as mentioned MM could go fo a minority government.

That might give SF enough time to get their numbers up for the next election, but would still require them getting a lot of votes this time..

Of course i understand you weren't and i can understand she might see it that way but at best its naivety at worst its ego thinking she will just slide across the line.

I think it would be a bad idea for them to go into government and be a minor player if they want to grow. Look at how FF and FG have chewed up and spit out smaller parties in the past.

If they can pip one of the parties as the opposition then they can build and move one.

realdanbreen · 06-02-2020 09:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Life long FG voter but prob gonna vote for SF.

Mary Lou's performance swayed you eh!

realdanbreen · 06-02-2020 09:10AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I've explained why I might seem to be a SF voter many times here. Not getting into it again.
You won't see me defending all of their policies here including their economic policy which I think is flaky and in need of a stint in a coalition government tbh.

I think they are ready now for coalition. Simple as.

And yes, my local Green is a first time 21 yr old and I will be giving him a preference purely for having the balls to stand up and be counted. He's a good community activist too.
I have no time for the Irish Green party tbh.

What candidate is getting your number 1.

06-02-2020 09:20AM

I’m still at a loss on who to vote for. Not a fecking clue.

I can’t be the only one, can I?

is_that_so · 06-02-2020 09:22AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m still at a loss on who to vote for. Not a fecking clue.

I can’t be the only one, can I?

Least likely to annoy you?
People you least like at the bottom?
Pick a no-hoper and pile everyone in behind them?
Just choose one and one only?
People you would be OK with as TDs?

06-02-2020 09:30AM

I say it will come down to using one of those options, is that so.

FrancieBrady · 06-02-2020 09:33AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

What candidate is getting your number 1.

I don't know why it is your business and you'll note I haven't asked anyone how they will vote but as there is nothing to hide here, I haven't looked at the maths but I want the 2 of them elected here so it will either be Matt Carthy No. 1 with Pauline Tully No. 2 or vice versa.

realdanbreen · 06-02-2020 09:35AM

It's time to put up or shut up.

My no 1 Joe Hannigan-Independent-Tipperary.

ednwireland · 06-02-2020 09:36AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m still at a loss on who to vote for. Not a fecking clue.

I can’t be the only one, can I?

nope a real lack of talent on the ticket in donegal making my choice difficult

thequarefellow · 06-02-2020 10:07AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

people questions Sf competence etc, have they had any moron ministers drive down the steps at leinster house?

I had to google this! Thought you were making it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulc2nw4oro

FrancieBrady · 06-02-2020 10:28AM

So, what is left - debate wise before the moratorium?

thequarefellow · 06-02-2020 10:28AM

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Originally Posted by thequarefellow:
But they haven't done so. There are countless examples of attractive high rise living all over Europe. I've lived in some. Just f***ing do it! Go abroad, look at good examples of same, with the necessary infrastructure, and do it! But they haven't.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

People forget that it’s the local councils that get to decide this. They also forget that up until very recently, SF had the majority vote in Dublin councils.

What did they do? They stopped people building up.

I'm so tired of hearing bull***t like this from government. They are the ones in charge. Change the rules, Change the constitution. Do what ever needs to be done ffs. They had practically the country pleading with them to build more housing and they failed to do so on any meaningful level. It is actually a housing crisis after all. I was writing to Simon Coveney when he was housing minister pleading with him to get s**t done. It just deteriorated from there. And don't talk to me about Nama!

FG failed on this issue!
And Fianna Fail can't be trusted either, building houses in bogs and rural backwaters that had to be torn down because nobody wanted to live there.

SF might just do something different. Or they might make a bo***cks of it. But I'm so frustrated that I will vote for them and give them a chance. Whats's the worst that can happen? Major recession? Bring it on. At least I'll be able to afford property then.

FrancieBrady · 06-02-2020 10:29AM

ednwireland wrote: »

nope a real lack of talent on the ticket in donegal making my choice difficult

Where is your 'dream' constituency?

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