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FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 11:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No reply Francie?

I know it's a difficult question but I thought you'd at least attempt an answer. SF avoiding the difficult questions again?

Apologies, missed that.

I think SF strategists got it all wrong this time actually. I think they thought they'd be treading water at best.

I think they'll be very happy. Regardless of the 'victim exploitation' that was always going to come, they'll be seriously energised by this campaign, north and south.
The demographic that won't consider voting for them at all is getting smaller and smaller too.

Snow Garden · 05-02-2020 11:27PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think it was an Instagram video.
I'm not fully sure about the legalities of it.

He should be running the country and not at the gym.

That's stupid thinking.

I think all the party leaders are looking wrecked and in need of a break.

If I am honest I think Leo had performed better than all the other party leaders in the last week. FG wont get my vote this time because of the caliber and greed of several of their TDs but Leo and Paschal are making good arguments.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 11:28PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Still not a SF voter Francie??

Spoof:)

Did you not hear. Francie is voting 1 and 2 for SF and independents after that then Lab, then the Greens.

For the first time in his life I am voting for SF in a GE and more importantly, not giving FF or FG a preference at all.

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 11:29PM

Can see SF with minimum 25-30 seats, Won't make any difference, FF/FG will not want to coalesce with them. But I am getting a feeling that FF might for some reason, haven't really worked it out in my head, as long as MM is Taoiseach there may be the usual words of compromise. But Then again maybe not. same might apply to FG but honestly, can you see it?

Such an interesting election really.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-02-2020 11:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you not hear. Francie is voting 1 and 2 for SF and independents after that then Lab, then the Greens.

For the first time in his life I am voting for SF in a GE and more importantly, not giving FF or FG a preference at all.

Yeahhhhhhhh riiiight!!!!

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 11:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you are going to respond at least answer the question in the post.

Who has wahh wahhed 'about being allowed on it'?

I think you doth protest too much. Shoo.

gmisk · 05-02-2020 11:31PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can see SF with minimum 25-30 seats, Won't make any difference, FF/FG will not want to coalesce with them. But I am getting a feeling that FF might for some reason, haven't really worked it out in my head, as long as MM is Taoiseach there may be the usual words of compromise. But Then again maybe not. same might apply to FG but honestly, can you see it?

Such an interesting election really.

I said before this all started, it will be the similar as it is now, only with FF taking the lead and FG propping them up. They will between them get the numbers

05-02-2020 11:31PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Apologies, missed that.

I think SF strategists got it all wrong this time actually. I think they thought they'd be treading water at best.

I think they'll be very happy. Regardless of the 'victim exploitation' that was always going to come, they'll be seriously energised by this campaign, north and south.
The demographic that won't consider voting for them at all is getting smaller and smaller too.

I disagree with you on the bolded part above, but in fairness fair play, you've answered the question. Thanks.

Personally, I think they've missed a great opportunity and it may not come again- we'll agree to disagree.

Suckit · 05-02-2020 11:31PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can see SF with minimum 25-30 seats, Won't make any difference, FF/FG will not want to coalesce with them. But I am getting a feeling that FF might for some reason, haven't really worked it out in my head, as long as MM is Taoiseach there may be the usual words of compromise. But Then again maybe not. same might apply to FG but honestly, can you see it?

Such an interesting election really.

If FF need them, 100% MM will form a coalition if SF agree to it (of course they would).

It may have been said before, but there is no way MM is going to let himself go down in history as the first FF leader to not become Taoiseach.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 11:33PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeahhhhhhhh riiiight!!!!

Exactly the same reaction that Mary Lou would have gotten no matter what way she answered the 'have you stopped beating your husband' question (which is basically what the 'victim exploitation' stuff is designed to do).

Her answer would have been 'Wrong', no matter how she responded.

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-02-2020 11:34PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

There's actually a video going around of Leo at the gym this morning and people were giving out that he was there.

And people wonder why we have **** politicians? Especially in government (regardless of the money,)

Why would anyone do it , its just an open forum to be abused

05-02-2020 11:36PM

Suckit wrote: »

If FF need them, 100% MM will form a coalition if SF agree to it (of course they would).

It may have been said before, but there is no way MM is going to let himself go down in history as the first FF leader to not become Taoiseach.

I think the reality will be that people who may have wished to return to the fold, won't do so as he's still a relic of the old guard who helped to nearly destroy the country and place us in the position we're still trying to emerge from- he has to go- he'll never be Taoiseach, FF will win less votes than they ever thought they would, and he'll be replaced after the voting finishes.

gmisk · 05-02-2020 11:36PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

And people wonder why we have **** politicians? Especially in government (regardless of the money,)

Why would anyone do it , its just an open forum to be abused

Very true.
Also see people protesting outside Simon Harris house...really ridiculous stuff.

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 11:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Apologies, missed that.

I think SF strategists got it all wrong this time actually. I think they thought they'd be treading water at best.

I think they'll be very happy. Regardless of the 'victim exploitation' that was always going to come, they'll be seriously energised by this campaign, north and south.
The demographic that won't consider voting for them at all is getting smaller and smaller too.

+ as you said earlier you will be voting SF for the first time! It's all so exciting!

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-02-2020 11:36PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Can see SF with minimum 25-30 seats, Won't make any difference, FF/FG will not want to coalesce with them. But I am getting a feeling that FF might for some reason, haven't really worked it out in my head, as long as MM is Taoiseach there may be the usual words of compromise. But Then again maybe not. same might apply to FG but honestly, can you see it?

Such an interesting election really.

What way are you swaying on voting (if you don't mind me asking)?

Agree with alot of your comments

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 11:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I disagree with you on the bolded part above, but in fairness fair play, you've answered the question. Thanks. Personally, I think they've missed a great opportunity and it may not come again- we'll agree to disagree.

Well that's the fascinating dilemna that theelection will present for FF and FG.
Do they look to the long game or short one.

If they go into together again and fail...they open wide to the 'barbarians at the gate.

If one of them take SF into government then that is the Rubicon crossed for all time.

We live in interesting times.

johnmcdnl · 05-02-2020 11:38PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you not hear. Francie is voting 1 and 2 for SF and independents after that then Lab, then the Greens.

For the first time in his life I am voting for SF in a GE and more importantly, not giving FF or FG a preference at all.

Why is it important not to give any preference to FF FG?
When counting comes to the later rounds your transferable vote will drop out of the count.

Filling the last seats will happen regardless, except you will have decided to let the rest of the electorate make the decision for you.

If the last seat is between FF and FG wouldn't you rather have your say in choosing between the 2 even if both are bad. That last seat may be important in the grander scheme of things. Especially when the attitude of not completing ballot papers is replicated across the country.

05-02-2020 11:42PM

Deirdre Hargey is their current Sinn Fein Communities Minister in Northern Ireland. She is a former Mayor of Belfast.

She was also present in Magennis's Bar in 2005 with Sinn Fein pals on the night of the murder of Robert McCartney, an innocent man :https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/unsolved-murder-casts-a-shadow-over-belfast-s-new-mayor-1.3525899 .

The murder was brutal. He was beaten with metal bars, his throat was cut and he was stabbed. After the murder the scene was forensically cleaned to remove evidence. An ambulance was not called.

Remarkably, none of the Sinn Fein crowd present were able to assist the police with anything. This includes Deirdre Hargey, now a senior Sinn Fein member and Minister. It seems about 70 of those present claimed to have been in the pub toilet when all this was going on. The toilet measurement was reported as being 4 ft by 3 ft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_McCartney#cite_note-10

This is a quote from McCartney's sister, Catherine:

“The reason they [the IRA] were able to survive as long as they did was because people didn’t view them as gangsters, they had some kind of legitimacy. Then it turns out that their whole cause was just based on power.

“And to me that was the most angering thing, what people had put up with in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, the hold they had over these communities, our whole childhoods ruined, because it wasn’t bloody well normal – and all for what, so they could get their grubby wee hands on power? They have proved that they cannot uphold or protect any principles of justice or fairness.”

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 11:42PM

Well whatever happens I really hope that we end up with a Minister and Deputy like Coveney and McEntee re Brexit.

That will be so important in the next few months and we need people of calibre and intelligence to help us through this. We are very vulnerable really if we cannot make our voice heard going forward. Kind of forgotten because Johnson said so and is Trump in the making from what I can see.

I think Coveney and McEntee did us proud. But who knows what will happen now?

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 11:42PM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

Why is it important not to give any preference to FF FG?
When counting comes to the later rounds your transferable vote will drop out of the count.

Filling the last seats will happen regardless, except you will have decided to let the rest of the electorate make the decision for you.

If the last seat is between FF and FG wouldn't you rather have your say in choosing between the 2 even if both are bad. That last seat may be important in the grander scheme of things. Especially when the attitude of not completing ballot papers is replicated across the country.

Yes, it was never a concern for me before. And I need to look into what you say.

In my mid 50's I have never voted to keep somebody out before...also a new experience, sadly.
Cheers for the semi tutorial.

tayto lover · 05-02-2020 11:44PM

Suckit wrote: »

If FF need them, 100% MM will form a coalition if SF agree to it (of course they would).

It may have been said before, but there is no way MM is going to let himself go down in history as the first FF leader to not become Taoiseach.

If Martin refuses to form a Govt with SF then I believe he’ll be ousted. He will definitely change his mind before that happens. He’s not stupid and will want to lead a Govt. There seems to be plenty of FF members in favour of it.

05-02-2020 11:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well that's the fascinating dilemna that theelection will present for FF and FG.
Do they look to the long game or short one.

If they go into together again and fail...they open wide to the 'barbarians at the gate.

If one of them take SF into government then that is the Rubicon crossed for all time.

We live in interesting times.

My key point was that they could have played it so much differently.

Shirley their number crunchers would have seen a rising tide of support, that wasn't associated in any way with affiliations with the past. Or, - they saw the rising tide, thought they'd capitalise on it, but totally disregarded the fact that they would have to, I dunno, fully atone for "past sins" first, in order to fully move forward?

Sinn Fein to many people under 30, in 2020, is just a name of a party, yet another party- and not at all affiliated with the past as many of us know it- I get that- but can't you see that Mary Lou, formally Dublin 6 girl from Orwell Road, Rathgar, is trying to push a "new" agenda, without fully letting go of the past and keeping whatever "backroom boys"- and let's face it, every party has their "backroom boys"- happy?

Spanish Eyes · 05-02-2020 11:47PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What way are you swaying on voting (if you don't mind me asking)?

Agree with alot of your comments

Local INDO first, won't reach the quota, then FG. Not ashamed to say it, they have been pants in a lot of ways but there is NO WAY I would ever vote FF or SF.

So there we are, hope you appreciate my honesty!

realdanbreen · 05-02-2020 11:48PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well that's the fascinating dilemna that theelection will present for FF and FG.
Do they look to the long game or short one.

If they go into together again and fail...they open wide to the 'barbarians at the gate.

If one of them take SF into government then that is the Rubicon crossed for all time.

We live in interesting times.

The scary thing is that someone who's on here all the time and apparently follows politics is still of the opinion that either FF or FG will go into government with SF! Both FF and FG regard SF as toxic as do 80% of the electorate so it would be political hari kari to touch them.

Bunny Colvin · 05-02-2020 11:50PM

This turning into a bit of a Rabble Rabble.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 11:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My key point was that they could have played it so much differently.

Shirley their number crunchers would have seen a rising tide of support, that wasn't associated in any way with affiliations with the past. Or, - they saw the rising tide, thought they'd capitalise on it, but totally disregarded the fact that they would have to, I dunno, fully atone for "past sins" first, in order to fully move forward?

Sinn Fein to many people under 30, in 2020, is just a name of a party, yet another party- and not at all affiliated with the past as many of us know it- I get that- but can't you see that Mary Lou, formally Dublin 6 girl from Orwell Road, Rathgar, is trying to push a "new" agenda, without fully letting go of the past and keeping whatever "backroom boys"- and let's face it, every party has their "backroom boys"- happy?

No doubt about it, SF is a party of many different voices and opinions.
Adams and McG were masters at keeping them all onside and on message mostly.
I think history will look kindly on their achievement there tbh.

I don't get the sense SF were ready for this. I don't think anyone was really.

McMurphy · 05-02-2020 11:54PM

Simon Harris a no show tonight with Ivan and Matt fon the tonight show which is being shot from his home town?

Was it Newstalk yesterday morning was saying that he must be being denied any contact with the media whatsoever, as he cannot be contacted, and seems to be banished somewhere with only limited access to twitter.

Maria Bailey's interview with SOR has certainly had a knock on effect to the rest of them , that's for sure.

FrancieBrady · 05-02-2020 11:54PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

The scary thing is that someone who's on here all the time and apparently follows politics is still of the opinion that either FF or FG will go into government with SF! Both FF and FG regard SF as toxic as do 80% of the electorate so it would be political hari kari to touch them.

What's 'scary' about a FF leader, particularly, doing an about face after an election?

I said it before, if the only option for Michael Martin to become Taoiseach is a deal with SF, he will find the words to do it.

gmisk · 05-02-2020 11:57PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Simon Harris a no show tonight with Ivan and Matt?

Was it Newstalk yesterday morning was saying that he must be being denied any contact with the media whatsoever, as he cannot be contacted, and seems to be banished somewhere with only limited access to twitter.

Maria Bailey's interview with SOR has certainly had a knock on effect to the rest of them , that's for sure.

Yep they mentioned it right at start and a few times when FG came up.

Eoghan Murphy also seems to have gone into hiding

gmisk · 05-02-2020 11:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What's 'scary' about a FF leader, particularly, doing an about face after an election?

I said it before, if the only option for Michael Martin to become Taoiseach is a deal with SF, he will find the words to do it.

Or another confidence and supply with FG with him as taoiseach?

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