General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

Kickstart1.3 · 04-02-2020 11:07PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Not as bad as Fine Fail And Fine Gael has done in power for the last few decades.

I think they've done well, bar the time labour were the flavour of the day they have held power between them for the last Century
Or is it you mean you haven't done so well while they have been in power?

endacl · 04-02-2020 11:09PM

This juvenile shyte comes up every time there’s a ballot. Just vote. Make the best bad choice you can, same as the rest of us.

Dramalama80 · 04-02-2020 11:10PM

sporina wrote: »

So, with the upcoming election, I cannot see anyone I would like to vote for..

In such a case, which is worse, to just not vote or to spoil your vote?

I am aware of the fact that people died for us to be able to vote etc.. but I don't wanna vote for someone just for the sake of it.. are spoilt votes counted as such?

It's the same thing as your vote won't count so your just wasting your time going if your just going to spoil your vote.

L1011 · 04-02-2020 11:10PM

Spoiled votes are recorded as spoiled and if its particularly funny it might make the local papers - though that's less likely these days with less journos.

If there is absolutely nobody you want to vote for and absolutely nobody you'd completely hate to see elected (moreso than everyone else) go and spoil it. If there is even one person you absolutely hate more than anyone else, go vote against them.

Bishop of hope · 04-02-2020 11:11PM

charlie14 wrote: »

If it is a case of FF ending up with most seats, I couldn`t see he really had many other options.

Other than a coalition with SF that is.

I don't see that happening now.
FG are going to try to get their base support back and I believe the would step away from Govt rather than take a chance on going into a SF coalition.
FF would I think, and mostly because this election is more than likely MMs last shot at it.

imme · 04-02-2020 11:11PM

sporina wrote: »

are you drunk?
i thought i could get a sensible sincere answer here

and you're the one who doesn't want to use their vote.
there should be an intelligence test to post on boards methinks.

L1011 · 04-02-2020 11:13PM

My take so far:

Martin a bit behind previous performance, Varadkar a bit ahead of previous performance, McDonald significantly ahead of previous performance (but still third).

Those NI figures she pled for a fact check on are likely to have been verified and memorised by both Leo and Martin in wait of the second to use them.

Kickstart1.3 · 04-02-2020 11:13PM

The two boys have the gloves off for the Bombs and Bullets lady tonight

namloc1980 · 04-02-2020 11:15PM

The 20k homeless measure in NI is a completely different metric to the 10k in Ireland. Comparing apples and oranges basically.

maynooth_rules · 04-02-2020 11:16PM

Mary Lou is getting gutted tonight. Her stuttering over the special criminals court was hard to watch. Glad she was pushed on the question. Leo also rinsed her on Northern Irelands homeless figures. Mary Lou should have turned down the interview. Her popularity was flying due to her not being put to the test in a proper debate.
Leo comfortably winning this debate. May be too late for him to turn it around though

sporina · 04-02-2020 11:16PM

L1011 wrote: »

Spoiled votes are recorded as spoiled and if its particularly funny it might make the local papers - though that's less likely these days with less journos.

If there is absolutely nobody you want to vote for and absolutely nobody you'd completely hate to see elected (moreso than everyone else) go and spoil it. If there is even one person you absolutely hate more than anyone else, go vote against them.

thanks

Pawwed Rig · 04-02-2020 11:17PM

If you want to goto the effort of taking 30 mins to an hour out of your Saturday so that a civil servant doing a nixer on a Saturday can add your vote to the spoiled pile without even a second glance then go for it. Best case scenario there will be a recount where your vote will be looked at again briefly by another civil servant. If you're really lucky someone getting the 5th seat in a 5 seater constituency will see it and instantly forget it the moment they get elected or eliminated.

Gringo180 · 04-02-2020 11:19PM

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

I think they've done well, bar the time labour were the flavour of the day they have held power between them for the last Century
Or is it you mean you haven't done so well while they have been in power?

Done well? We have a 3rd world health service, the biggest homeless crisis in the states history, highest rents and gross inequality in the public sector.

Nody · 04-02-2020 11:22PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

If you want to goto the effort of taking 30 mins to an hour out of your Saturday so that a civil servant doing a nixer on a Saturday can add your vote to the spoiled pile without even a second glance then go for it. Best case scenario there will be a recount where your vote will be looked at again briefly by another civil servant. If you're really lucky someone getting the 5th seat in a 5 seater constituency will see it and instantly forget it the moment they get elected or eliminated.

It has nothing to do with the civil servants; spoiling your vote rather than not voting is stating you don't like any of the choices available but you're active and available for the right candidate. Not voting simply shows that it's a voter who can be ignored because they are to lazy to make their voice heard when it matters. I don't care if the vote is for the Donald Duck party or the Third Reich; the fact that people do vote is what matters as they are actively participating in their democratic duty.

L1011 · 04-02-2020 11:24PM

Open goal and she misses, stumbling a few times on the way

Bishop of hope · 04-02-2020 11:25PM

She is ****ing up big time on health too, she's all over the place.

maynooth_rules · 04-02-2020 11:25PM

Gringo180 wrote: »

Done well? We have a 3rd world health service, the biggest homeless crisis in the states history, highest rents and gross inequality in the public sector.

You may actually want to live in a 3rd world country to actuslly appreciate what we have here. Have we problems, of course. But lots not be dramatic with the 3rd world noncense.

namloc1980 · 04-02-2020 11:26PM

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Mary Lou is getting gutted tonight. Her stuttering over the special criminals court was hard to watch. Glad she was pushed on the question. Leo also rinsed her on Northern Irelands homeless figures. Mary Lou should have turned down the interview. Her popularity was flying due to her not being put to the test in a proper debate.
Leo comfortably winning this debate. May be too late for him to turn it around though

Except the 20k figure he quoted is a load of rubbish.

04-02-2020 11:30PM

We have a waster crisis..... Scum with plenty cash who buy their kids scramblers living in subsidised accommodation and thousands more like them aspiring to it.

The genuine homeless suffer because of these, no government can solve that.

Pawwed Rig · 04-02-2020 11:30PM

Nody wrote: »

spoiling your vote rather than not voting is stating you don't like any of the choices available but you're active and available for the right candidate.

I get this in a first past the post system but it doesn't really make sense in a PR system as you can actively vote against people rather than voting FOR someone. The chances of disliking all of the candidates to an identical degree is minuscule.

imme · 04-02-2020 11:45PM

Micheal Martin and Mary Lou are like Leo's auld pair!

Leo and Micheal are very much on the numbers all through the debate, like Gerry Adams before her Mary Lou doesn't appear great with the numbers,

remembering numbers and being able to use them at the right time is a traditional debating skill.

charlie14 · 04-02-2020 11:46PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I don't see that happening now.
FG are going to try to get their base support back and I believe the would step away from Govt rather than take a chance on going into a SF coalition.
FF would I think, and mostly because this election is more than likely MMs last shot at it.

In real terms I don`t think either will go into coalition with SF. Not this time around anyway.

imme · 04-02-2020 11:51PM

Nody wrote: »

It has nothing to do with the civil servants; spoiling your vote rather than not voting is stating you don't like any of the choices available but you're active and available for the right candidate. Not voting simply shows that it's a voter who can be ignored because they are to lazy to make their voice heard when it matters. I don't care if the vote is for the Donald Duck party or the Third Reich; the fact that people do vote is what matters as they are actively participating in their democratic duty.

I don't see spoiling a vote as making a statement against anything, it means nothing, it doesn't do anything, it doesn't go anywhere.

It has the obvious impact of affecting the quota. Big whoopee.

It is nothing more than self satisfaction.

LeinsterDub · 04-02-2020 11:58PM

sporina wrote: »

So, with the upcoming election, I cannot see anyone I would like to vote for..

In such a case, which is worse, to just not vote or to spoil your vote?

I am aware of the fact that people died for us to be able to vote etc.. but I don't wanna vote for someone just for the sake of it.. are spoilt votes counted as such?

You can't find one person out of a dozen or more you'd like to vote for?

Hermy · 04-02-2020 11:58PM

Mary Lou seemed to have great difficulty in saying the words special, criminal and court.

She'll need to work on that if she's serious about taking on a role in the next government.

L1011 · 05-02-2020 12:14AM

MLMD has had two disasters in a row there; one of which she knew damn well would come up and didn't prepare for; the other she should have guessed was coming up and prepared for.

05-02-2020 12:21AM

SF leader dodgy memory syndrome is alive and well.

sid waddell · 05-02-2020 12:26AM

Varadkar aced that. Won it by miles. The blueshirt bollix.

Martin didn't have a total disaster in that Mary Lou did.

Which is pretty depressing for those who want the country to move in a leftward direction like it badly needs.

Kh1993 · 05-02-2020 12:27AM

I wonder will any poll in the next week or exit poll do a count on how many people were influenced by TV debates?

If I remember correctly, the UK ones had little or no impact?

robman60 · 05-02-2020 12:33AM

Kh1993 wrote: »

I wonder will any poll in the next week or exit poll do a count on how many people were influenced by TV debates?

If I remember correctly, the UK ones had little or no impact?

As someone who watched both, the UK debates were shambolic. Too short and full of pointless semi-humorous questions. You couldn't have been influenced by it.

Tonight's was a good debate. Mary Lou won a point on renters which will shore up youth support but had little else positive.

Varadkar even though I don't like him much clearly the most intelligent and shrewd operator up there.

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