Social Media Narcissists

B.A._Baracus · 04-02-2020 11:52AM

I can understand posting junk, calling yourself an "influcencer" as you are trying to make money. But call a spade a spade. It's all garbage. Some people really seem to get into this too much.

nthclare · 04-02-2020 11:53AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Meh, humans are social animals who have always felt the need for belonging and status and meaning within the tribe. Social media has simply exaggerated it, some would say weaponised it, because ever more shock factor and shiny surface gets the attention in a stimulus heavy environment. Add in a generational difference with a large chunk of "kids in my day, harrumph" and here we are.

EG:

If you asked the same "old guy" sociologist in the 80's 70's 60's 50's you would hear the same answers. Hell, go way back and you'll hear the same answers.

Quote from the 18th century:

The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?

So back then it was trashy mills and boon that was leading the youth into narcissism. At one point or another it was the theatre, films, books, whatever you're having yourself(radio for some reason largely avoided this). It's always the same story. The times are getting too luxurious and self absorbed and the youth are in danger and the old hate it.

So the old don't get the new. In other news water is wet. Indeed I would contend if a time comes when the old do get the new, then nothing new is created. A far more dangerous position.

You definitely have a point there Wibbs I could be guilty of that myself.

And when I walk a mile in someone else's shoes I should know better.

And yes I have been guilty of being motivated by looking good and liked flaunting around in my joe blogs baggy jeans, floppy undercut haircut down to my neck lol and sleeper in my left ear.
Best looking girlfriend in the school.

Dressed like a raver and Metallica playing through my walk man lol or the Cure

Latest SPX or fila runners, a bit of a raver I suppose and guilty of raving on boards.ie now and again and more maybe.

There's a bit of narcissism in most people and a sense of pride, but letting it take over is when it goes into self obsession.

So I've probably been a narcissist is small doses here and there.

chrissb8 · 04-02-2020 11:54AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Meh, humans are social animals who have always felt the need for belonging and status and meaning within the tribe. Social media has simply exaggerated it, some would say weaponised it, because ever more shock factor and shiny surface gets the attention in a stimulus heavy environment. Add in a generational difference with a large chunk of "kids in my day, harrumph" and here we are.

EG:

If you asked the same "old guy" sociologist in the 80's 70's 60's 50's you would hear the same answers. Hell, go way back and you'll hear the same answers.

Quote from the 18th century:

The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth; and prevented others from improving their minds in useful knowledge. Parents take care to feed their children with wholesome diet; and yet how unconcerned about the provision for the mind, whether they are furnished with salutary food, or with trash, chaff, or poison?

So back then it was trashy mills and boon that was leading the youth into narcissism. At one point or another it was the theatre, films, books, whatever you're having yourself(radio for some reason largely avoided this). It's always the same story. The times are getting too luxurious and self absorbed and the youth are in danger and the old hate it.

So the old don't get the new. In other news water is wet. Indeed I would contend if a time comes when the old do get the new, then nothing new is created. A far more dangerous position.

That is all well and good but the nature of phones is that they are with us all the time. Infact, they are awful for your mental health.

You can't compare one thing to the other. Romance novels to social media?

Technology has changed the face of the world and smartphones are the biggest revolution after the internet. They are literally two completely different times to what you're describing. Based on empirical objective evidence social media is by all means a terrible thing.

Wibbs · 04-02-2020 12:07PM

chrissb8 wrote: »

That is all well and good but the nature of phones is that they are with us all the time. Infact, they are awful for your mental health.

The jury is still out on that and it depends which juror you ask and it depends on where someone lays on the glass half empty/full spectrum.

You can't compare one thing to the other. Romance novels to social media?

Actually you can. The coming of the printed word irrevocably changed the world within little more than a generation. From science to language to economics to politics to society to how we viewed information itself changed. It was one of the largest technological impacts on humanity since the wheel(arguably more than the wheel). Oh and I hate to break it to you, more than the internet has been. Hell, the internet world of contents, indexing, cross referencing, the spread and improvement on current information all came from printing.

Technology has changed the face of the world and smartphones are the biggest revolution after the internet.

They're an extension of it.

They are literally two completely different times to what you're describing.

You're falling into the all too common trap of viewing all through a current prism.

Based on empirical objective evidence social media is by all means a terrible thing.

Again it depends on who you ask.

Tacitus Kilgore · 04-02-2020 12:09PM

So essentially - this is this thread:

chrissb8 · 04-02-2020 12:11PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I always considered that largely a nonsense peddled by low brow self help gurus on Oprah's couch. And for all that self help drivel that's been peddled for decades along with all the access to therapies, people are getting measurably less happy and content over time. If the treatments aren't working, it suggests the treatments aren't useful and/or the diagnosis is arseways.

Humans are a social animal and belonging and sharing within the group is a huge part of self worth. You want to drive someone to madness? Socially isolate them. If "self worth comes from within oneself" then solitary confinement wouldn't be much of a punishment.

Sure, some will want to use such a moment as social currency, some will want to savour it subjectively, while others - and quite naturally - will feel the need to share that moment with others. Y'know, normal human sociability.

There is a far cry between taking a picture on your phone and saving it for later than getting 5 different stories for insta with the camera plastered in front of your face concentrating on getting the best angle, lighting etc. You are not there. That is the nature of social media as Instagram is the chosen format.

(I have no idea what the therapies little rant was about so I don't really know how to argue against that. I'm just talking about self perception)

So where does self worth come from then? I thought it was from a series of achievements, successes, experiences, learning from failures and a combination of self awareness.

That's not Oprah style, that is just life. Do you ultimately put your value in someone elses hands or do you put most of it in your own hands? Like before social media, I have a group of friends and family that I care about. Who factor into my sense of self worth, to a degree.

You want to drive someone to madness? Allow them to think that their "self worth" comes from a bunch of nobody's vieiwing and reacting to your life. Why would I care what Dave from school, 10 years ago, thinks or the other 150 "friends" I have on whatever social app.

I value an opinion of myself as a combination of the view I have mostly on myself and those who actually matter i.e. those who I interact with on a regular basis, who I respect and ultimately love in some cases.

Don't ever not post, I mean yeah, share some of your experiences. Social media can build up a beautiful catalogue of memories over the years and looking back on some comments from people I lost touched with and shared a brief moment in my life with is nice.

But I do not put any investment in it as something I need feel social worth or gain approval. Not some pat on the back either just the conclusion that it's generally a load of nonsense. Because as soon as I deleted those apps off my phone and just kept in contact through the people that mattered in my life through whatsapp I found that's all I needed. It stripped away all those expectations I have to be doing A, B or C. People say its harmless but I would ask most people why couldn't they go without it. Why is it so necessary to post most facets of your life.

nthclare · 04-02-2020 12:24PM

chrissb8 wrote: »

There is a far cry between taking a picture on your phone and saving it for later than getting 5 different stories for insta with the camera plastered in front of your face concentrating on getting the best angle, lighting etc. You are not there. That is the nature of social media as Instagram is the chosen format.

(I have no idea what the therapies little rant was about so I don't really know how to argue against that. I'm just talking about self perception)

So where does self worth come from then? I thought it was from a series of achievements, successes, experiences, learning from failures and a combination of self awareness.

That's not Oprah style, that is just life. Do you ultimately put your value in someone elses hands or do you put most of it in your own hands? Like before social media, I have a group of friends and family that I care about. Who factor into my sense of self worth, to a degree.

You want to drive someone to madness? Allow them to think that their "self worth" comes from a bunch of nobody's vieiwing and reacting to your life. Why would I care what Dave from school, 10 years ago, thinks or the other 150 "friends" I have on whatever social app.

I value an opinion of myself as a combination of the view I have mostly on myself and those who actually matter i.e. those who I interact with on a regular basis, who I respect and ultimately love in some cases.

Don't ever not post, I mean yeah, share some of your experiences. Social media can build up a beautiful catalogue of memories over the years and looking back on some comments from people I lost touched with and shared a brief moment in my life with is nice.

But I do not put any investment in it as something I need feel social worth or gain approval. Not some pat on the back either just the conclusion that it's generally a load of nonsense. Because as soon as I deleted those apps off my phone and just kept in contact through the people that mattered in my life through whatsapp I found that's all I needed. It stripped away all those expectations I have to be doing A, B or C. People say its harmless but I would ask most people why couldn't they go without it. Why is it so necessary to post most facets of your life.

Wattsapp is my first choice of keeping in touch with friends I can't meet face to face.

I too left Facebook and Instagram.

I suppose they're handy for networking through mutual hobbies, interests and business ideas and contacts.

But using it as a tool for self assessment and gratification can be a downward spiral of disappointment mixed with the odd high now and again.

topper75 · 04-02-2020 12:29PM

Rather peculiar connection on the thread now between age and disdain for narcissism.

Hector Savage · 04-02-2020 12:36PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

SJWs smash!!!1! Librulz kill!!1!!

Now to get back to killing gayz and praying to god.

I like the way that because they don't go for this hipster narcissistic trash of social media - they have to be a religious fundamentalist.
:rolleyes:

Hector Savage · 04-02-2020 12:47PM

chrissb8 wrote: »

Self worth comes from within oneself you can only give yourself that. Not the likes, reactions or comments you get on your poor excuse of a "good time".

Doing everyday things is not a big event. Imagine going out all the time and thinking how can I make this a currency for my own self worth. Just be in the moment, engaged and happy in that moment.

Imagine watching a beautiful sunset with a sheperds sky, taking it all in, at peace only to have a stupid thought like "I have to get this on social media and show everyone how deadly it is". No you don't. That's your sunset and enjoy it for yourself. I just believe moments are being commodified and the core value is being lost of the moment itself with things like that.

This is an annoying thing as well about tourism, so amazing places are becoming more popular anyway - but to make things even worse you have the narcissistic morons who are there to post on their SM to get the precious "like" currency.

And idiots like this have zero respect for their surroundings, Iceland are getting majory pissed off with it apparently ..

chrissb8 · 04-02-2020 12:51PM

Wibbs wrote: »

The jury is still out on that and it depends which juror you ask and it depends on where someone lays on the glass half empty/full spectrum.
Actually you can. The coming of the printed word irrevocably changed the world within little more than a generation. From science to language to economics to politics to society to how we viewed information itself changed. It was one of the largest technological impacts on humanity since the wheel(arguably more than the wheel). Oh and I hate to break it to you, more than the internet has been. Hell, the internet world of contents, indexing, cross referencing, the spread and improvement on current information all came from printing.

They're an extension of it. You're falling into the all too common trap of viewing all through a current prism.

Again it depends on who you ask.

I can talk to someone in the Phillipines instananeously, I can view different lands and understand different cultures through a search on youtube. The internet is not just an extension of printed knowledge it is an evolution and as I said a revolution within itself.

It is literally two completely different things. There are some similarities. One served to englighten us one served to enlighten and more importantly, connect us. Stay within the argument we're not talking about the dissemenation of knowledge we're talking about social media and the nature of connectivity and the impact it has upon us.

We are the first era of this and for that, it is completely different to any technological evolution before.

Hector Savage · 04-02-2020 12:57PM

My great Grandad did say that he was really bothered when he first went to see the Grand Canyon - all those pesky bleedin' kids reading their mills and boon novels.

He couldn't even set up his easel for fuxake!!

nthclare · 04-02-2020 01:29PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

This is an annoying thing as well about tourism, so amazing places are becoming more popular anyway - but to make things even worse you have the narcissistic morons who are there to post on their SM to get the precious "like" currency.

And idiots like this have zero respect for their surroundings, Iceland are getting majory pissed off with it apparently ..

I was only talking about this recently to a friend of mine, I'm in the sea angling and surf scene.

I know a spot it's a rock fishing mark in or around the loop head peninsula.
In North Clare I can go and dig bait, ie lugworm in the sand and they're prolific.
Then drive towards Loophead and find my outcrop.
Cast my baited traces out over a rocky patch into clean sandy ground and catch 6 or 7 cod averaging 4lbs or 7 if lucky per fish.

Not far from where I fish there's a small bay which holds a beautiful left hand wave which is a perfect safe place to surf, sheltered from the south westerly onslaught but blows off shore creating the perfect wave. And when you wipe out its into deeper water again.

And I worked hard to find these spots and im not sharing it, because it'll be ruined, fished out and they're only enough room for 3 people to fish the mark, and 4 at the most off the point break to surf.

04-02-2020 01:42PM

It is clear that certain posters' toes have been tread on too in this thread.

Poor craethurs. God luv ye.

nthclare · 04-02-2020 01:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is clear that certain posters' toes have been tread on too in this thread.

Poor craethurs. God luv ye.

Id say so alright, narcissism and new wave social justice warriors work hand in hand with the mix, throw in a few empaths and its a fireworks display.

Some poor crature thought I was an American right wing homophobe bible basher.

But I told him them im a bisexual agnostic and haven't heard anything from them since.

Im outraged that I wasn't triggered to blow my top

04-02-2020 02:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It is clear that certain posters' toes have been tread on too in this thread.

Poor craethurs. God luv ye.

I'm an armchair general myself, commander of the armies of the north. Check out my instagram guys, "fatty mcfatfats". Got a sack of Brazil nuts I personally floated across the Atlantic. If you mash one hundred, you get a teaspoon of milk. And the planets have also been seasoned for your comfort. Look no further.

Hector Savage · 04-02-2020 02:06PM

nthclare wrote: »

I was only talking about this recently to a friend of mine, I'm in the sea angling and surf scene.

I know a spot it's a rock fishing mark in or around the loop head peninsula.
In North Clare I can go and dig bait, ie lugworm in the sand and they're prolific.
Then drive towards Loophead and find my outcrop.
Cast my baited traces out over a rocky patch into clean sandy ground and catch 6 or 7 cod averaging 4lbs or 7 if lucky per fish.

Not far from where I fish there's a small bay which holds a beautiful left hand wave which is a perfect safe place to surf, sheltered from the south westerly onslaught but blows off shore creating the perfect wave. And when you wipe out its into deeper water again.

And I worked hard to find these spots and im not sharing it, because it'll be ruined, fished out and they're only enough room for 3 people to fish the mark, and 4 at the most off the point break to surf.

Thats another thing, SM gets places instantly shared , someone can find a beautiful spot around Kerry and minutes later some kernt in Melbourne is planning to go there as he's instantly notified.

I found an amazing spot near Hook head that I wouldn't share either, meanwhile back at the lighthouse the walking dead were paying €12 for a soup and a sandwich and €5 for a rubber with "Hook Head" stamped on it.
I visited Iceland in 2017 and could easily walk a bit and be on our own

Won't last though .....

And nothing worse then some travel blog TOSSER, writing an article on unspoilt out of the way beauties all over the world --- yeah thanks for sharing it on your SM to ruin it - YOU F*CKING TOSSER!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

/rant

Tacitus Kilgore · 04-02-2020 02:15PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Thats another thing, SM gets places instantly shared , someone can find a beautiful spot around Kerry and minutes later some kernt in Melbourne is planning to go there as he's instantly notified.

I found an amazing spot near Hook head that I wouldn't share either, meanwhile back at the lighthouse the walking dead were paying €12 for a soup and a sandwich and €5 for a rubber with "Hook Head" stamped on it.
I visited Iceland in 2017 and could easily walk a bit and be on our own

Won't last though .....

And nothing worse then some travel blog TOSSER, writing an article on unspoilt out of the way beauties all over the world --- yeah thanks for sharing it on your SM to ruin it - YOU F*CKING TOSSER!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

/rant

So supposing I find one of these spots and don't share it on sm, does that make me the owner/proprieter/keeper or what?

nthclare · 04-02-2020 02:27PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Thats another thing, SM gets places instantly shared , someone can find a beautiful spot around Kerry and minutes later some kernt in Melbourne is planning to go there as he's instantly notified.

I found an amazing spot near Hook head that I wouldn't share either, meanwhile back at the lighthouse the walking dead were paying €12 for a soup and a sandwich and €5 for a rubber with "Hook Head" stamped on it.
I visited Iceland in 2017 and could easily walk a bit and be on our own

Won't last though .....

And nothing worse then some travel blog TOSSER, writing an article on unspoilt out of the way beauties all over the world --- yeah thanks for sharing it on your SM to ruin it - YOU F*CKING TOSSER!!!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

/rant

I was looking at the maps and swell direction of that area and I think I know where you are on about.
I know cullenstown and its quite public so everyone in Wexford knows it, but I pulled up there one after while at a christening in the area.
There was a big enough swell outside for the east coast

And there was a lovely wave there coming over a sandbank, but id say that sandbank has moved since.
Around 6 foot at the face, but nice all the same.

dubstepper · 04-02-2020 02:41PM

nthclare wrote: »

Back when I was in my teens and 20's these people were non existent I think they call them influencers or something now.

There were always people who influenced fashion. It's just the tech and reach that has changed.

nthclare wrote: »

You'll get employers who base their potential employees on looks and charm rather than intellect reliability and professionalism.

Degree courses today are the equivalent of Fas and Post leaving cert courses of yesterday.

I haven't noticed any issue with people in their 20s and their education. I work in a high skilled area, but the younger staff are great. Perhaps you have only encountered a certain section of the work force

The end of your post is just off the wall stuff. SJWs and liberals .... social justice is an important part of moving society forward. Helping the marginalised and those left behind. The pejorative of SJW is normally an indicator that someone is an assh*le.

Older people giving out about the youth is as old as time.

nthclare · 04-02-2020 03:14PM

dubstepper wrote: »

There were always people who influenced fashion. It's just the tech and reach that has changed.

I haven't noticed any issue with people in their 20s and their education. I work in a high skilled area, but the younger staff and great. Perhaps you have only encountered a certain section of the work force

The end of your post is just off the wall stuff. SJWs and liberals .... social justice is an important part of moving society forward. Helping the marginalised and those left behind. The pejorative of SJW is normally an indicator that someone is an assh*le.

Older people giving out about the youth is as old as time.

I have an idea where you are coming from and I should have stated that my post isn't all encompassing the entire range of the population.

The end of my post is off the wall to you if it triggered you, and Ironically I ordered Michael Jackson off the wall on vinyl during my lunch break.

A dog with a mallet up his arse knows that social justice is important, sure we all know that we need to have a diversity of ideas and concepts.

But you know well what I meant by my post, but obviously it's not clear enough to you.

A lot of these full on empaths, social justice warriors and narcissists are lazy, rely on their emotive agenda's rather than facts.

Pejorative is a great word by the way.

Looking at fashion, back in my day we had the likes of Kate Moss and Mark Wahlberg amongst a lot of other models.

Today's modelling fraternity ain't as classy and attractive as bygone years.

Subtlety is more intriguing than ignorance and self obsession.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 04-02-2020 03:59PM

And those woeful, vapid travel vloggers that make "travel vlogs" but really, it's just some extened vanity music video of them, runining their hands through shrubs while their boyfriend films their arse as they look over some view. It's pathetic. Unoriginal and will rot your brain.

And the music is always this ****e, with pitch-shifted vocal slices.. nursey-rhyme levels of melodies repeated over and over.

nthclare · 04-02-2020 04:04PM

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

And those woeful, vapid travel vloggers that make "travel vlogs" but really, it's just some extened vanity music video of them, runining their hands through shrubs while their boyfriend films their arse as they look over some view. It's pathetic. Unoriginal and will rot your brain.

And the music is always this ****e, with pitch-shifted vocal slices.. nursey-rhyme levels of melodies repeated over and over.

The soundtrack of narcissism, zero taste, an arse and a sunset through a smart phone camera.

Absolute class, ahem crass

topper75 · 04-02-2020 04:54PM

Does that music come free with the vid editing software or something?

04-02-2020 04:59PM

topper75 wrote: »

Does that music come free with the vid editing software or something?

Before the YouTube adpocolypse of 2017, free music themes could be inserted into your YouTube vids. Not sure what the story is now.

Pherekydes · 04-02-2020 06:10PM

nthclare wrote: »

Im an agnostic and bisexual, so I think ill leave you make up your own mind.

But you can worship your abrahamic god and kill whomever, I never knew you were a devout Christian.

If you're bisexual then why would you not be liberal? Would you not even go as far as fighting for social justice?

As regards the first claim, are you an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist?

Junkyard Tom · 04-02-2020 06:33PM

Without Instagram how else would I look at Soviet Union era public art?

nthclare · 04-02-2020 06:53PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

If you're bisexual then why would you not be liberal? Would you not even go as far as fighting for social justice?

As regards the first claim, are you an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist?

Im neither a Liberal or alt right, more moderate and try to look at the variables in a situation or debate.

An agnostic atheist.

04-02-2020 06:57PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/ie/basics/narcissism%3famp

To clear up some myths because the word Narcissist gets used an awful lot.

Blaze420 · 04-02-2020 06:58PM

I like how they refer to themselves as “influencers” - it’s pretty easy to influence the brain dead types they attract so why do they think it’s an achievement? Vapid attention deprived muppets who have found platforms to prostitute their mental deficits on.

Social Media Narcissists

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