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Rodents in attic - Rentokil

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    To be fair and not taking the piss. In days not all that long ago there were people who were experts in catching rats as farms and food places were over run with them. What they learnt as their trade was worth their weight in gold because these men could clear a premises of hundreds of rats.

    If ever you have had rats you will know that some rats arent affected by poison and are clever to avoid traps.


    Very close, my friend, to why I try So Hard to steer people away from the Big Household Names and towards a recommended, local man.

    The 'Big Boys' are extremely well trained. I won't hear a word said against them.

    But; They are ridden by their 'Sales Managers', who are purely and simply bean counters! The Boys (and Girls!) are constantly harried to 'Make The Figures'. Sell. Sell. SELL!

    They are Trained to rid ye place of rodents, fleas, birds, What ever! But; Their phones will ring: " Are ye onto that next job yet? How much have ye Sold this job? "

    To hell with That!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Stigura wrote: »
    Very close, my friend, to why I try So Hard to steer people away from the Big Household Names and towards a recommended, local man.

    The 'Big Boys' are extremely well trained. I won't hear a word said against them.

    But; They are ridden by their 'Sales Managers', who are purely and simply bean counters! The Boys (and Girls!) are constantly harried to 'Make The Figures'. Sell. Sell. SELL!

    They are Trained to rid ye place of rodents, fleas, birds, What ever! But; Their phones will ring: " Are ye onto that next job yet? How much have ye Sold this job? "

    To hell with That!

    I have had rat problems and seen things that sent shivers down my spine with rats. I know how rats and mice are very clever and avoid traps. I learnt from 'boys of old' how to trick those rats.

    I have seen how poison doesnt affect them in fact I cleared some stuff out of a shed and found all of the poison collected up and hidden in the rats lair.......hundreds of bags.

    Pine Martins were released nearby and the rats and mice kind of disappeared.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    BarraOG wrote: »
    Can mice really climb up a down pipe?
    Yep. But they can't climb down an up pipe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,367 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Peppermint oil, put in attic, they'll run a mile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    Pine Martins were released nearby and the rats and mice kind of disappeared.


    Don't even get me started!!! :mad:

    Talk about a Thin Line!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,999 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Is peppermint oil actually any good?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    mickdw wrote: »
    Is peppermint oil actually any good?

    Have you ever seen a rat sucking a Polo mint?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    LMFAO! Brilliant!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭liquoriceall


    I'm in Limerick. Will try peppermint as well if ye think it will help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    :eek: Liquoriceall, I'm sorry. Limerick is a bit far, from Leitrim. Even if ye were to come and get me ~ I don't drive. Sorry.

    I hate trying to do pest control on line though. Seriously. This whole; " It sounds like a herd of elephants in the roof space! " stuff.

    How many people have Had and Heard a herd of bloody elephants in their roof space?! In my whole career, I've never found an elephant in a roof space! How then can I judge an on line report by that?

    African or Asian elephants? They'd probably need different ways of handling. Though, while I'd but out, I'm sure the internet massive would know how. " Peanutella will get elephants in the roof space every time! I read it on face book! "

    :D See where I'm coming from?

    Focus on identifying the subject. Calm, more experienced, middle aged man will be better than a teen with an air rifle.

    Loaned Trail Cam FTW! Beats even a mars bar! :P


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭liquoriceall


    Thanks sigura yes probably a little far. If you know of anyone more local to me that would be great too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    What do you think they should do Stigura?

    All this talk of Mars Bars and Peanut butter. Best of both worlds ...try a snickers:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Irish_peppa


    Peanut butter seems to be excellent for attracting mice BUT i have watched mice lick the trap clean myself through the window, The mouse rested one arm on the trap catch plate and licked the stuff clean, they must have quite abrasive tongues as he seemed to do it with no effort i couldnt lick peanut butter up like that its too sticky. I mixed it up a bit. I hot glued a nut onto the catch plate and then smeared it with peanut butter. It definitly worked but was a pain to be messing with hot glue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    Thanks sigura yes probably a little far. If you know of anyone more local to me that would be great too


    I'm afraid I don't, sadly. But, word of mouth is how to find the right person.

    My business cards used to bear the motto: " Because even nice people get pests ". Keep that in mind. There's no silly shame in getting a problem creature turn up. So, don't be afraid to mention it to others.

    That's when someone may confide; " We had a problem like that! Ye know George ....? " I'm, frankly, yet to hear Anyone say, " And Rentokil sorted it out, very reasonably too! " :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    i have watched mice lick the trap clean myself through the window, The mouse rested one arm on the trap catch plate and licked the stuff clean

    Peppa; This is the classic problem when the man of the house buys wooden break backs and goes all out cave man. Unfortunately, there's a tendency for people to set traps, for a couple of grams of mouse, as if they're setting for elephant.

    " SelfSet " used to make a fantastic mouse trap! Blind fool could set one, and still get the mouse every time. They had like a chamfered under base and operated on like a little rocker switch. Brilliant, they were.

    Sadly, for some reason, they've since gone back to their nasty little trigger arrangements. Hateful things.

    Best trap on the market now ~ for the common man? The black, plastic ones with a yellow bar. Iron is; I've seen them branded as " Rentokil "! :rolleyes: Cracking little trap though. Anyone can set them and they'll practically always set right and light.


    <Sorry for the time lapse. Posted the above. Then got hit with the mother of all power cuts!>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    I learnt from 'boys of old' how to trick those rats.

    I'm a 'boy of old' who learned from my boys of old. One of mine was in his seventies, in the seventies. He'd been at it his entire life. (Weee! It's never before struck me that his name was Ted! :D)

    Found myself locked into a vast area of waste land, one night. Got bored ~ as ye do, in an era long before mobile phones and the internet! So, going on what Ted had taught me, I wandered about till I'd found an old TV, and a rotten boot.

    When they came to let me out, in the morning, they couldn't comprehend the rabbit I had, hanging on the back of the door! I had to laugh! (Nearly choked on my mars bar, actually! :P)

    Site foreman was a lovely guy and, so enamoured of my rabbit, the next night I got him one too!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,367 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,367 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Peppermint will drive them out, trust me. Get a spray bottle, add the peppermint oil and some water, shake, and spray it all over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Demosthenese


    Considering it seems to be recommended NOT to go the Rentokil route ;) Need some advice ...

    Discovered Rats in the attic, how many i don't know. Heard them scrapping away, then one of them ate through a water pipe and i seen the scratching/marks on the pipe, luckily it was in an area i could get to - fixed said water pipe.

    This was downstairs behind my kitchen cabinets, corner where the main sewage pipe runs from upstairs to sewer.

    Anyways, i pulled the kickboards from around the cabinets and appliances and found droppings. About 30? In one space, then 100 in another. Hoovered them all up and got rid. Some of the yellow insulation was strewn around too - so they were in walls? Checked Attic, they opened a few bags in had there, just old toys etc, no food etc.

    Set traps, bought bait - huge mistake with the bait - 1 of them ate the bait and died about 4-5 days later, the smell was incredible. I was lucky he was down under the kitchen kickboard and i disposed of him and cleaned around. If he'd died in walls or attic under the insulation it would have been a disaster. Lesson learned!

    So far, 1 dead rat, that ate poison 2 weeks ago - and today 1 dead rat from a snap trap. I've 4 traps in attics and 3 behind kickboards.

    These might have been in the house about 2 months ... my daughter could hear em weeks ago but never mentioned!

    I've walked the house, can't find anything outside that they could be getting in as far as cracks, holes. Up the drain pipe maybe - having read this thread.

    So my questions are
    - whats chances there were only 2?
    - how long do i keep traps and checking ... weeks months? Before getting better help from someone more knowledgeable?
    - do i need to go back to attic and search for a nest? (think i know the answer here ;)) really don't want to be crawling around looking for a rats nest :(:(

    Stick it out myself ... or go more professional route?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    Considering it seems to be recommended NOT to go the Rentokil route ;) Need some advice ...

    Stick it out myself ... or go more professional route?


    This. But, word of mouth about a decent, local, 'one man band' sort of outfit should be ye holy grail. And ~ I can't possibly emphasise too strongly ~ Tell People ye have the bloody things!

    You've got rats. I've got rats. They've got rats. People Get rats! Schit happens! :P It's far more to do with ye location and structural matters than it is ye being " Dirty ". So, mention it to ye social circle. How else is anyone going to know to mention They had it, and so and so turned out to be a star?

    In the interim, my advice to you is to forget all the internet stuff about " Peanut Bitter ". " Nutella " and " Blocking their holes up. " (I'd imagine Nutella might do that :confused:)

    Focus on the realities: Check the batteries in ye fire / smoke alarms. Then, if ye have electrical wiring up there? Buy a couple more and put Them in that attic.


    How long before I'm forced to tell " Andy's Story " to you people :rolleyes:


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Stigura wrote: »
    Focus on the realities: Check the batteries in ye fire / smoke alarms. Then, if ye have electrical wiring up there? Buy a couple more and put Them in that attic.


    How long before I'm forced to tell " Andy's Story " to you people :rolleyes:

    I don't follow - how would smoke alarms help?

    Please tell Andy's story!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,741 ✭✭✭Effects


    Yeah, I wan to hear Andy's story as well.

    I had mice chew a whole load of cables in an attic of mine.
    I presume the smoke alarm in the attic is in case the damaged wiring causes a fire in the attic.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Effects wrote: »
    Yeah, I wan to hear Andy's story as well.

    I had mice chew a whole load of cables in an attic of mine.
    I presume the smoke alarm in the attic is in case the damaged wiring causes a fire in the attic.

    Yeah I thought might be a possibility. I wonder do they eat cables for fun or only when there is no other food source.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    Effects wrote: »
    I presume the smoke alarm in the attic is in case the damaged wiring causes a fire in the attic.

    And here we have the winner of tonights star prize! :DPrecisely! The danger of rodents in the roof space isn't that they'll drop down on ye sleeping form and ear ye face. It's the wires up there.

    They start a fire up there? Ye'd want to know about it pdq. Why wait till ye laying beneath a raging inferno and the one outside ye bedroom door finally figures something's not right.

    Andy's story? LMAO! It's a bit long. Ye'd need to be sitting comfortably. I have it written out, somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    I wonder do they eat cables for fun or only when there is no other food source.

    They do it through inherent need. Their name's a clue. Rodent? I'm given to believe it derives from the Latin, " Rodo ", meaning " I Gnaw ". That's what I read, as a boy, anyway.

    It's their teeth, see? Front teeth never stop growing. So, it's a constant thing to keep using them and so keeping them worn down so they'll fit in the mouth. Life or death, at the end of the day. Trouble is, how that can translate when they've up there with your wires :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,011 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    My sympathies to the OP and to anyone else that is having this problem
    I had the little bastards in my roof. It was literally freaking me out. I can hardly bring myself to even type this out, that's how bad it was. I'm not kidding you.
    Plus one on the trail cam to identify whats up there
    Also plus one on be very careful with the poison, as noted if one dies somewhere you cant get at, the smell is awful and then you may get the swarm of flies.
    Also, apparently they may not be feeding on anything up in your attic, it may just be a safe warm place that they like.
    At first I was in denial, eventually I learnt way more about rats than I ever wanted to know ......
    Anyway the solution for me was:
    I put a rat flap (https://ratflap.com/) in the sewer, that reduced the rats but did not get rid of them
    I then called in call in a local guy, he did an excellent survey and put non-poison bait in various places so he could see where the rats were.
    He identified that rats were also in the surface water drain. He put a second rat flap in there. That was two years ago and not one single rat since then. (fingers crossed)
    I think I had 2 or 3 visits from yer man (about €80 each) plus the cost of two rat flaps (about 150 each afaicr). That was the best money I ever spent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,692 ✭✭✭Stigura


    I then called in call in a local guy ~ excellent.


    Now we're talking! And, please, be sure to big that guy up to all and sundry, Johnny. We rely on doing a damn good job, then having people tell others ;)

    Reputation is Everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭dogmatix


    I’ve had a roof rat problem for a number of years, but finally got rid of the roof rats last February 2019 and have been free of them since (fingers crossed). There are currently a trio of large rats in my back garden who are proving to be very risk-averse to my traps but I suspect they are the larger brown rats so my roof should be safe (I hope).

    I’d be thinking of getting an air rifle for the garden triplets, if I could afford one! And i’ve heard that if you can attract a fox into your property you’ll be rat free fairly quickly.

    At the time I did hire a pest control company but they proved pretty ineffectual, they could not even identify the access points for the little sob’s. As others have suggested above, a good local based professional would probably be a better idea.

    Here is what I did to get rid of them – it might help others.

    Step 1 – identify the enemy.
    Roof rats are smaller and like to climb. If you have a lot of noise in the attic it is most likely these guys. The larger brown rats prefer ground floor accommodation but have been known to climb.

    Step 2 – identify where they are getting in.
    Find out how they are getting in – do a detailed and careful survey all around your house, especially at ground level. Don’t ignore a very small hole because you think they can’t possibly be getting in that way. For any small holes you find, fill them with loose soil or sand. This is not to block the holes, it is just to find out if the hole is in use – if the rats are using them they will dig it out fairly quickly.

    Also check for loose tiles or panels above ground level. Check for gaps or breaks in the brickwork of walls. Check the guttering and pipes. You could try filling guttering and pipes with paper or other loose material to see if it is disturbed later (this might not work during wet weather of course).

    Step 3 – get them out.
    When you have identified the access point or points, put down down lots of baited traps – the more the merrier. I used the modern snap traps – the ones with the serrated edges. The old fashioned bar traps are not foolproof (I actually witnessed a badly injured rat trying to wriggle out from under a snap-bar trap). If you are to use these type of traps outdoors near the identified access points, I’d place them under a box or similar or only place them between sunset and sunrise so as to prevent curious birds getting killed.

    Avoid poison bait inside the house – last January I started noticing bluebottles and flies inside the house and guessed one of the little sob’s must have died somewhere in the walls. When you are sure they are gone you can move onto step 4 – but there is no point in blocking up access points until they are gone as you will get rats dying inside the house or panicking and damaging the interior in their quest to get out. A couple of quiet nights and it should be safe to assume they have cleared out, so move onto to the next step. But only a few nights, as I have found after 1 week or so the next wave of rats will try to move in.

    Step 4 – block the holes.
    Block the holes with cement mixed with steel wool/fine copper wire etc. Rats hate biting through fine metal wire and will avoid. When blocking the holes spread the cement well beyond the hole or they will simply tunnel under it.

    Step 5 – maintain a constant vigil all year round.
    Inspect the exterior of your property every few days for signs of disturbance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭Demosthenese


    Seems its more difficult to get a local handyman with the required skill. Having rang multiple people today most of which recommended.... They listen to my issue and basically push me on! I'm not paying someone to lay traps which I already have done.

    I'm getting the "it's very hard to decipher where they get in"!

    One thing they are all recommending is the cctv route to see if I've a drain issue. This is my initial concern as I can't find any exterior access point. So am going to get cctv done and then if nothing found maybe a rat flap (150 euro to get fitted) but seems a good model.

    Unlike the post above we never hear anything at night. Especially since I've caught 2 of them. But I'm not convinced there were just 2.....

    If anyone has a local hero in lucan/leixlip area that will do a survey. Find entrance points. Block it up. Clear out attic. Investigate drains.... Kill rats.... By all means message or post. Thanks.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Xwebstar


    Stigura wrote: »
    They do it through inherent need. Their name's a clue. Rodent? I'm given to believe it derives from the Latin, " Rodo ", meaning " I Gnaw ". That's what I read, as a boy, anyway.

    It's their teeth, see? Front teeth never stop growing. So, it's a constant thing to keep using them and so keeping them worn down so they'll fit in the mouth. Life or death, at the end of the day. Trouble is, how that can translate when they've up there with your wires :(

    That would be the first thought as an electrician ,damage to wiring and of course water leaks too. I don't recall any fires.

    They would be responsible for breakdown of industrial equipment too.

    A regular spot to find them is inside distribution boards(fuseboxes ) where they get electrocuted and the back of cookers ditto electrocuted


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