General Election TV debates

Pintman Paddy Losty · 01-02-2020 01:32PM

robwen wrote: »

Heard it mentioned on radio earlier

Shinnerbots were obviously out in force.

Naggdefy · 01-02-2020 01:52PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Shinnerbots were obviously out in force.

I think the tide is turning in favour of SF. Since Thursday night I'm finding people saying they're going to vote SF in unusual places.

Athletics training people of age 30-50 Thursday eve. Didn't mind their support so much. Hurling training for children yesterday evening. A different demographic, lots of farmers who said they'd vote SF to as they were the only party who said they'd break the beef cartel.

Now back from children's rugby training, different group as well. A lot strong SF, want change really, a good few critical of Harris and Murphy. Also Noone came up, people feeling she was smug and condescending, practically every family has a member with some 'condition'.

Most are over the SF/IRA connection. Know FG and FF supporters did terrible things 1923-24 and Cumann na nGaedhael were in government from 1922 and FF from 1932. That stick used to beat SF is going.

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-02-2020 02:35PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

I think the tide is turning in favour of SF. Since Thursday night I'm finding people saying they're going to vote SF in unusual places.

Athletics training people of age 30-50 Thursday eve. Didn't mind their support so much. Hurling training for children yesterday evening. A different demographic, lots of farmers who said they'd vote SF to as they were the only party who said they'd break the beef cartel.

Now back from children's rugby training, different group as well. A lot strong SF, want change really, a good few critical of Harris and Murphy. Also Noone came up, people feeling she was smug and condescending, practically every family has a member with some 'condition'.

Most are over the SF/IRA connection. Know FG and FF supporters did terrible things 1923-24 and Cumann na nGaedhael were in government from 1922 and FF from 1932. That stick used to beat SF is going.

Yes it seems they have momentum in alot of the general population who haven't really looked in depth, aren't really engaged in politics and have decided it's anyone but FFFG.

Suckit · 01-02-2020 02:39PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

I think the tide is turning in favour of SF. Since Thursday night I'm finding people saying they're going to vote SF in unusual places.

Getting morning coffee on wednesday morning, there are a few people I recognise and they usually have some light conversation to engage in. One of them (at a guess late 60's) is heavily involved in the local cricket club, and he declared that he's sick of the same two, He is voting SF.
That was a bit of a surprise to hear him saying that. Then the others proceeded to agree that SF would be getting at least one of their preferences, if not first.
It was an eye opener mainly because of who some of them are and what other groups or committees some of them are involved in.
That was before the debate.

Naggdefy · 01-02-2020 02:54PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes it seems they have momentum in alot of the general population who haven't really looked in depth, aren't really engaged in politics and have decided it's anyone but FFFG.

No. They are getting support from traditional FF/FG supporters. Educated, politically savy. And comments like yours 'we know best' are condescending to people who are every bit as intelligent as you purport to be.

I Am The Law · 01-02-2020 03:01PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

No. They are getting support from traditional FF/FG supporters. Educated, politically savy. And comments like yours 'we know best' are condescending to people who are every bit as intelligent as you purport to be.

Correct. No more speaking down to us and telling us what's best. The electorate will make their decision on previous performances or failures to be more accurate.

Fann Linn · 01-02-2020 03:05PM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yes it seems they have momentum in alot of the general population who haven't really looked in depth, aren't really engaged in politics and have decided it's anyone but FFFG.

A good enough reason to begin with.

tayto lover · 01-02-2020 03:19PM

The debates have been useless and the only reason I watch them is to see someone being called out live on air.
In Louth the choice of candidate is putrid. I have driven from Dublin on occasions to vote but the choice is so poor this time that I might not even bother voting at all and that’s coming from someone who who has always voted.

Idbatterim · 01-02-2020 03:24PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The debates have been useless and the only reason I watch them is to see someone being called out live on air.
In Louth the choice of candidate is putrid. I have driven from Dublin on occasions to vote but the choice is so poor this time that I might not even bother voting at all and that’s coming from someone who who has always voted.

I appreciate the honesty! very briefly, what would a party that you would be happy to vote for, actually look like? I get called out for berating FG and will probably vote for them. At least I have a position! I get attacked for it, for what? let me guess, your party (they wont even reveal who they will vote for) is great and will solve irelands woes? :rolleyes:

Idbatterim · 01-02-2020 03:25PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The debates have been useless and the only reason I watch them is to see someone being called out live on air.
In Louth the choice of candidate is putrid. I have driven from Dublin on occasions to vote but the choice is so poor this time that I might not even bother voting at all and that’s coming from someone who who has always voted.

you are right with how hopeless the situation is though, i disconnected the doorbell, to stop myself being harassed with idiots, with no real world experience, offering nothing different and actually if we wanted to go beyond scratching the topic on any issue here, dont have a clue. in fact many cant even get beyond the surface.

boardise · 01-02-2020 05:20PM

McMurphy wrote: »

He's of FG stock ain't he?

There must have been some incident with FG that has embittered IY -because on the radio show he attacks everything they say or do with an almost irrational venom -the sniping and sneering is incessant. It's above and beyond the normal run of critique and I can only conclude it's motivated by some personal animus.

Suckit · 01-02-2020 06:16PM

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/election-2020-poll-shows-sinn-fein-heading-for-second-place-as-fine-gael-falters-wtsj2c0wd

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Edgware · 01-02-2020 06:37PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

I think the tide is turning in favour of SF. Since Thursday night I'm finding people saying they're going to vote SF in unusual places.

Athletics training people of age 30-50 Thursday eve. Didn't mind their support so much. Hurling training for children yesterday evening. A different demographic, lots of farmers who said they'd vote SF to as they were the only party who said they'd break the beef cartel.

Now back from children's rugby training, different group as well. A lot strong SF, want change really, a good few critical of Harris and Murphy. Also Noone came up, people feeling she was smug and condescending, practically every family has a member with some 'condition'.

Most are over the SF/IRA connection. Know FG and FF supporters did terrible things 1923-24 and Cumann na nGaedhael were in government from 1922 and FF from 1932. That stick used to beat SF is going.

By any chance did Sinn Fein say how they would break the beef cartel?

Athletics training, hurling training, rugby training all talking about politics?
Do you really think we believe that ****e

Bullocks · 01-02-2020 06:40PM

Edgware wrote: »

By any chance did Sinn Fein say how they would break the beef cartel?

Athletics training, hurling training, rugby training all talking about politics?
Do you really think we believe that ****e

I'd be interested to know how they will break the beef cartel aswell. They wanted a land tax on farmers not too long ago

Sir Oxman · 01-02-2020 08:58PM

Rumours this is the RedC poll later...
https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1223689460128395265?s=20

ThunbergsAreGo · 01-02-2020 09:07PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

No. They are getting support from traditional FF/FG supporters. Educated, politically savy. And comments like yours 'we know best' are condescending to people who are every bit as intelligent as you purport to be.

Wasn't meant to be condescending, I would count myself as those not engaged.

Education and political savvy aren't connected. I can only count from my own experiences where the main reason people are voting SF is they aren't the other two

GolfNut33 · 01-02-2020 09:17PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Rumours this is the RedC poll later...
https://twitter.com/EwanMacKenna/status/1223689460128395265?s=20

Wow...squeaky bum time for FF/FG.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-02-2020 09:23PM

The Irish people never learn and it looks to me like they are about to push the self destruct button once again.

At the time of the economic collapse I thought this is the moment things change forever.

If that trauma did not shake up and remould the electorate then nothing will.

Hopeless.

And let's not start on the prospect of SF topping the poll.

Looks like we are headed for a s*** show here either way.

Plumbthedepths · 01-02-2020 09:30PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Irish people never learn and it looks to me like they are about to push the self destruct button once again.

At the time of the economic collapse I thought this is the moment things change forever.

If that trauma did not shake up and remould the electorate then nothing will.

Hopeless.

And let's not start on the prospect of SF topping the poll.

Looks like we are headed for a s*** show here either way.

You attach no blame to the incumbent government?

charlie14 · 01-02-2020 09:38PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You attach no blame to the incumbent government?

FG had a clear road to do things differently in 2011 and blew it. Added too it in this government and the birds are now coming home to roost.

Plumbthedepths · 01-02-2020 09:40PM

charlie14 wrote: »

FG had a clear road to do things differently in 2011 and blew it. Added too it in this government and the birds are now coming home to roost.

Yep I remember, new politics an end to quangos, report card for ministers etc etc but as soon as asses on ministerial seats business as usual nothing changed.

FrancieBrady · 01-02-2020 09:40PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You attach no blame to the incumbent government?

It's easier to denigrate the electorate.

Suckit · 01-02-2020 09:42PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Irish people never learn

"fool me once, more fool you...."

Not sure it goes up to 8 or 19 times..

is_that_so · 01-02-2020 09:43PM

Suckit wrote: »

"fool me once, more fool you...."

Not sure it goes up to 8 or 19 times..

It's A or not A!

Jinglejangle69 · 01-02-2020 10:49PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Irish people never learn and it looks to me like they are about to push the self destruct button once again.

At the time of the economic collapse I thought this is the moment things change forever.

If that trauma did not shake up and remould the electorate then nothing will.

Hopeless.

And let's not start on the prospect of SF topping the poll.

Looks like we are headed for a s*** show here either way.

The spoof about the 10,000 homeless rammed down our throats every day by the left wing media for the last 3 years has finally fooled people.

An onslaught day after day about the poor vulnerable in hotels.

If people only realised what types are actually in this 10,000 they would change their tune.

Anyway it is what it is and let's see if the next government can provide free homes for all these spongers whilst keeping the books balanced.

Calhoun · 01-02-2020 10:56PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The spoof about the 10,000 homeless rammed down our throats every day by the left wing media for the last 3 years has finally fooled people.

An onslaught day after day about the poor vulnerable in hotels.

If people only realised what types are actually in this 10,000 they would change their rune.

Anyway it is what it is and let's see if the next government can provide free homes for all these spongers whilst keeping the books balanced.

Funny thing was how we turned allot of the actual measures to improve the situation against the government at the time.

Remember the furor over the modular homes, even though they can be built to a passive standard and last for a long time, Or Aodhan O'Riordan championing pushing the government back on sites that they didn't approve for them.

No point calling it a crisis if you let Nimbyism get in the way. Additionally the political will is lacking because for the most part the 10K are homeless but in short term accommodation, rather than living on the streets.

elperello · 01-02-2020 10:59PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The spoof about the 10,000 homeless rammed down our throats every day by the left wing media for the last 3 years has finally fooled people.

An onslaught day after day about the poor vulnerable in hotels.

If people only realised what types are actually in this 10,000 they would change their tune.

Anyway it is what it is and let's see if the next government can provide free homes for all these spongers whilst keeping the books balanced.

I'm not sure that homelessness has that power as an issue or that the media has oversold it.

I think it's a conglomeration of a lot of issues.

As you say all those "types" will have to live somewhere no matter who gets in.

They can't stay in hotels forever.

golfball37 · 01-02-2020 11:06PM

The majority of that 10,000 don’t vote I’d say. The real housing issue is the rent issue, cost and availability. Most of us had to rent at one time, wouldn’t like to a be student now or parent of one.

Jinglejangle69 · 01-02-2020 11:13PM

golfball37 wrote: »

The majority of that 10,000 don’t vote I’d say. The real housing issue is the rent issue, cost and availability. Most of us had to rent at one time, wouldn’t like to a be student now or parent of one.

Students can rent a room in a house for 400 a month.

Like it's always been.

This generation want everything right now and have left wing parties championing them on.

All the rewards with little work.

The country is heading down the rabbit hole once again.

As if any party can build 100,000 social houses in 5 years.

Why do we swallow such nonsense?

I'm actually happy FF/SF will get in, just to see the disappointment of the scumbag free house brigade when they realise they actually wont be getting a free house.

Should have tried harder in school.

charlie14 · 01-02-2020 11:15PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The spoof about the 10,000 homeless rammed down our throats every day by the left wing media for the last 3 years has finally fooled people.

If people only realised what types are actually in this 10,000 they would change their tune.

You cannot seem to make up your mind if there are actually 10,000 homeless or not.

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