President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

Outlaw Pete · 30-01-2020 10:53PM

Now they have blurb up saying "Ukraine and not Russia interfered" with a bunch quotes most of which were not about what they claimed they were. For example, one from Fiona Hill where she pretty much lectured Republicans in congress about how they should believe that Russia interfered in 2016 and it was irresponsible for them not to. She then had her arse handed to her when both Nunes (and Ratcliffe, but can't find that one) handed her arse to her and explained that republicans have actually written reports on how Russia interfered in 2016 and how pointing out examples of Ukraine's alleged interference is NOT remotely saying that Russia did not hack the DNC. They are not bloody mutually exclusive ffs, as Schiff and Co keep suggesting.

Both below:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1197550513434349568

Outlaw Pete · 30-01-2020 11:36PM

Schiff lying again. He can't stop.

https://twitter.com/RepAndyBiggsAZ/status/1223011017334108160

Boggles · 31-01-2020 09:15AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

quoting FBI officials is not negating my point

How about Trumps former homeland security secretary, Tom Bossert?

It’s not only a conspiracy theory, It is completely debunked.

Anyway you are still on last weeks defense. I know lies are fluid, but at least try and keep up.

He did it, there is no question he did and he should be allowed do it.

There is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution's high bar for an impeachable offence."

The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday.

- Lamar Alexander

Like I said, this isn't a trial it's a coronation.

kilns · 31-01-2020 09:38AM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You say that as if evidence of some kind has been presented, it hasn't.

Not here and not in the Senate. Hence all the hoping that Bolton comes and saves the day.

Come on, be honest. Where's the evidence that Trump had no interest in seeing the Burisma-Biden controversy investigated?

It's all just a suspicion that he must have had an ulterior motive and was really afraid of Biden in 2020.

You are either really stupid or naiive to think Trump did not have an ulterior motive, even his own fans would admit he has looked out for number 1 only throughout his entire life.

Boggles · 31-01-2020 10:02AM

kilns wrote: »

You are either really stupid or naiive to think Trump did not have an ulterior motive, even his own fans would admit he has looked out for number 1 only throughout his entire life.

He isn't stupid, quite the opposite.

If you follow the history of this and it happens quite a bit online, he is so far into the defend Trump narrative that he has crossed the point of no return and is now just in the realm of the ridiculous.

Hector Savage · 31-01-2020 11:33AM

So looking like this farce will end soon, total witchhunt and shows how pathetic the dems are, they had planned this crap since Jan 2017,
They couldn't get him on the Russia collusion bullsh*t, they can't get him on this either.

All this cos they know they'll lose in November.

And it will just be a landslide for Trump in November.

The dems could have fixed their party after the 2016 election, it was a case of them losing more than Trump winning, but no, they have doubled down on their nonsense and it will be even worse this year.

kilns · 31-01-2020 11:36AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

So looking like this farce will end soon, total witchhunt and shows how pathetic the dems are, they had planned this crap since Jan 2017,
They couldn't get him on the Russia collusion bullsh*t, they can't get him on this either.

All this cos they know they'll lose in November.

And it will just be a landslide for Trump in November.

The dems could have fixed their party after the 2016 election, it was a case of them losing more than Trump winning, but no, they have doubled down on their nonsense and it will be even worse this year.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cody montana · 31-01-2020 11:40AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

So looking like this farce will end soon, total witchhunt and shows how pathetic the dems are, they had planned this crap since Jan 2017,
They couldn't get him on the Russia collusion bullsh*t, they can't get him on this either.

All this cos they know they'll lose in November.

And it will just be a landslide for Trump in November.

The dems could have fixed their party after the 2016 election, it was a case of them losing more than Trump winning, but no, they have doubled down on their nonsense and it will be even worse this year.

How did they do in the midterms?

Boggles · 31-01-2020 11:54AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

So looking like this farce will end soon, total witchhunt

There is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution's high bar for an impeachable offence."

The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday.

- Lamar Alexander

notobtuse · 31-01-2020 06:17PM

Joe Biden is now out on the campaign trail claiming this was not a partisan impeachment. He must be off his Aricept meds.

notobtuse · 31-01-2020 09:03PM

Well it looks like the Democrats hope for the Senate doing the House’s job regarding witnesses and keeping the sham trial ongoing is dead in the water. Apparently two of the four republicans on the fence have committed to voting for witnesses and two didn’t. The two who said they wouldn’t vote for additional witnesses are Alexander and Murkowski. The two who said they would vote for witnesses are Romney and Collins. Romney hates Trump and Collins is fighting a tough campaign in deep blue Maine because liberal loon and Maine’s national treasure, writer Stephen King, is working to oust her from the Senate.

Outlaw Pete · 31-01-2020 09:14PM

The democrats are so used to the echo chamber that the MSM having their back affords them and so they never really doubt their narratives. It was clear from congressional hearings they had no case but they repeat their soundbytes over and over and over that I think they convince themselves that their inferences and conjecture are factual. That's how it was for three years with the Trump-Russia nonsense and that's the way it's been here with this 'Trump asked Zelensky to help him cheat in an election' baloney. False narratives don't become reality no matter how oft they are repeated and Schiff could do well learning that. I know he had wanted to be a screenwriter once upon a time. Maybe he missed his calling as he sure has a talent for fiction.

Boggles · 31-01-2020 09:23PM

I'm just going to leave this again here.

There is no need for more evidence to prove something that has already been proven and that does not meet the United States Constitution's high bar for an impeachable offence."

The question then is not whether the president did it, but whether the United States Senate or the American people should decide what to do about what he did. I believe that the Constitution provides that the people should make that decision in the presidential election that begins in Iowa on Monday.

- Lamar Alexander

y0ssar1an22 · 31-01-2020 09:23PM

have they tied down yet what they are impeaching trump for? the last i heard, was abuse of executive privilege based upon the opinion of unelected people.

y0ssar1an22 · 31-01-2020 09:24PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'm just going to leave this again here.

- Lamar Alexander

what has been proven exactly?

Boggles · 31-01-2020 09:26PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

have they tied down yet what they are impeaching trump for? the last i heard, was abuse of executive privilege based upon the opinion of unelected people.

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

what has been proven exactly?

Long thread, maybe read some of it.

FreeThePants · 31-01-2020 09:27PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

have they tied down yet what they are impeaching trump for? the last i heard, was abuse of executive privilege based upon the opinion of unelected people.

they're the same as they have been since it was launched I thought?
Theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/20/what-are-trump-articles-of-impeachment

Outlaw Pete · 31-01-2020 09:36PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

what has been proven exactly?

Nothing. Zip.

The only facts they have about how Trump interacted with Ukraine is the transcript of the call he declassified and gave them.

Everything else is: conjecture, inferences, suspicions and false narratives.

woohoo!!! · 31-01-2020 09:37PM

They may as well wrap it up, no witnesses, back to normal business.

y0ssar1an22 · 31-01-2020 09:43PM

FreeThePants wrote: »

they're the same as they have been since it was launched I thought?
Theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/20/what-are-trump-articles-of-impeachment

1. Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States presidential election

by asking someone corrupt to be investigated?

if he had of went to the DOJ, instead of straight to zelensky, would that be grand? i still dont understand how he interfered with an election, when no one knows yet who the candidates will be.

2. Donald J Trump has directed the unprecedented, categorical and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its sole power of impeachment.

could the house not of gone to the courts to get a ruling on that?

Outlaw Pete · 31-01-2020 09:45PM

woohoo!!! wrote: »

They may as well wrap it up, no witnesses, back to normal business.

Yup, they should take a leaf out of Trump's book and go do some work.

This week alone he has hosted Benjamin Netanyahu in the White House, USMCA signed yesterday, and today signed an executive order on combating human trafficking.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1223332079586414592

US booming overall in fact and that's what it's all about: they know it's highly unlikely they'll win in November and so may as well try and "impeach the motherfcuker!"

campo · 31-01-2020 09:48PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yup, they should take a leaf out of Trump's book and go do some work.

This week alone he has hosted Benjamin Netanyahu in the White House, USMCA signed yesterday, and today signed an executive order on combating human trafficking.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1223332079586414592

US booming overall in fact and that's what it's all about: they know it's highly unlikely they'll win in November and so may as well try and "impeach the motherfcuker!"

He sure does keep great company

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-indicted-for-corruption-in-three-cases-in-first-for-a-sitting-pm/

Boggles · 31-01-2020 09:49PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

This week alone he has hosted Benjamin Netanyahu in the White House, USMCA signed yesterday, and today signed an executive order on combating human trafficking.

He met with someone and signed 2 documents.

Flat out all right.

notobtuse · 31-01-2020 09:54PM

Boggles wrote: »

He met with someone and signed 2 documents.

Flat out all right.

If Trump ended world hunger I suspect you'd say he treated a couple people to dinner.

Boggles · 31-01-2020 09:59PM

notobtuse wrote: »

If Trump ended world hunger I suspect you'd say he treated a couple people to dinner.

Yes I'm clearly biased says the Bad Orange Man Beat me Harder American Trump Voter.

:pac::pac::pac:

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 31-01-2020 10:00PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Yup, they should take a leaf out of Trump's book and go do some work.

This week alone he has hosted Benjamin Netanyahu in the White House, USMCA signed yesterday, and today signed an executive order on combating human trafficking.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1223332079586414592

US booming overall in fact and that's what it's all about: they know it's highly unlikely they'll win in November and so may as well try and "impeach the motherfcuker!"

Has he gotten around to hosting the Ukrainian president? Ya know in there was no quid pro quo for aid and the meeting at the WH..

FreeThePants · 31-01-2020 10:02PM

It's going to be hard for Trump to cure world hunger when farmer bankruptcies m due to him being absolutely destroyed in his little trade war with China that he doesn't seem to really want to talk about much any more. Even trying to be a socialist by bailing them out hasn't worked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/30/politics/farm-bankruptcies-trump-aid/index.html

Maybe the sharp increase in suicides will help offset this though...

y0ssar1an22 · 31-01-2020 10:04PM

FreeThePants wrote: »

It's going to be hard for Trump to cure world hunger when farmer bankruptcies m due to him being absolutely destroyed in his little trade war with China that he doesn't seem to really want to talk about much any more. Even trying to be a socialist by bailing them out hasn't worked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/30/politics/farm-bankruptcies-trump-aid/index.html

Maybe the sharp increase in suicides will help offset this though...

i thought we were focusing on his impeachment?

FreeThePants · 31-01-2020 10:05PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i thought we were focusing on his impeachment?

Deleted it because ii think I had the wrong thread. I'm capable of discussing more than one thing though, thankfully.

Edit: nope it was the right thread, so I put it back in below.

FreeThePants · 31-01-2020 10:05PM

notobtuse wrote: »

If Trump ended world hunger I suspect you'd say he treated a couple people to dinner.

It's going to be hard for Trump to cure world hunger when farmer bankruptcies m due to him being absolutely destroyed in his little trade war with China that he doesn't seem to really want to talk about much any more. Even trying to be a socialist by bailing them out hasn't worked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/01/30/politics/farm-bankruptcies-trump-aid/index.html

Maybe the sharp increase in suicides will help offset this though...

President Donald Trump - Formal Impeachment Inquiry Announced

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