Saorview retune before 4th March 2020

Apologies if I'm re-treading ground already covered but I'm a still a little confused.

For me RTÉ1 has the Viewer Advisory warning in the EPG.

According to the Saorview site the change for me is the following:

Channels:
Before Sept: 45, 49
From Sept: 45, 39

Polarization: H
Direction (degrees): South West (207)
Distance: 8 km

Box: Amiko Mini HD, indoor aerial

In the 'Terrestrial Installation' menu all three channels (39,45 and 49) show as strong signals (level 100%, quality 90%).

A TP scan of CH49 (being retired) results in no change.
A TP scan of CH45 results in no change.
A TP scan of CH39 results in fewer channels, with RTÉ1 and VM3 missing

So it looks like channel 45, which works, is remaining and should be fine. So why am I seeing the warning?
Do I have to do anything? Any advice welcome.

Digifriendly wrote: »

Which transmitter are you receiving Saorview from?

Spur Hill, Cork

Gamayun wrote: »

A TP scan of CH49 (being retired) results in no change.
A TP scan of CH45 results in no change.
A TP scan of CH39 results in fewer channels, with RTÉ1 and VM3 missing

So it looks like channel 45, which works, is remaining and should be fine. So why am I seeing the warning?
Do I have to do anything? Any advice welcome.

As the Amiko isn't Saorview approved it's storing the channels from all available frequencies including the one switching off next month, a Saorview receiver would ignore the old frequency and the channels carried.

Can you delete CH49 and do a manual retune of CH39 and CH45 only?

Gamayun wrote: »

By deleting all and manually rescanning only one CH I see:

CH39 only : Not all Irish channels come through, RTÉ1 and Virgin Media 3 are missing
CH45 only : Perfectly fine, receives all the channels, but RTÉ1 and 2 still have the EPG advisory message

According to the Saorview site CH45 is staying in place for my transmitter, so I don't see why I am seeing the advisory message if I can get all the channels I need from CH45.

I will leave it set with the CH45 channels only for now.

Is it possible that I, and others on this transmitter, are seeing the EPG message in error, and there is nothing that needs to be done?

All the stations are not transmitted on one channel/mux/frequency ..... they are divided across two muxes on each transmitter.

To get all stations transmitted you must use two channels/muxes/frequencies.

Maybe you are picking up more than one transmitter?

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

All the stations are not transmitted on one channel/mux/frequency ..... they are divided across two muxes on each transmitter.

To get all stations transmitted you must use two channels/muxes/frequencies.

Maybe you are picking up more than one transmitter?

No 39, 45, and 49 are from the same transmitter Spur Hill. 39 is replacing 49 (which has advisory notices) so both 39 and 45 needed for all channels.

If the replacement 39 gives reception trouble it may be due to a legacy Group C/D aerial from analogue (39 well out of group) and need replacement.

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

All the stations are not transmitted on one channel/mux/frequency ..... they are divided across two muxes on each transmitter.

Ah, OK. That makes sense. I must have confused the CH numbers last night, sorry for the confusion.
I just deleted all Irish stations again and scanned CH39 and CH45.
They both find the exact same stations. With RTÉ1, VM3 and TG4 missing.
Those missing stations are on the soon-defunct CH49.

Antenna wrote: »

If the replacement 39 gives reception trouble it may be due to a legacy Group C/D aerial from analogue (39 well out of group) and need replacement.

Both CH39 and CH45 show as: Level 100%, Quality 90%.
Does this mean that my aerial is OK for this channel range (i.e is group ?
Or could it be the case that the aerial is C/D but still registers the signal from CH39 (but cannot get all stations)?

My indoor aerial (One For All SV9360 R01 DVB-T Active VHF/UHF Antenna) gives no indication of it's specs unfortunately.

Gamayun wrote: »

I just deleted all Irish stations again and scanned CH39 and CH45.
They both find the exact same stations. With RTÉ1, VM3 and TG4 missing.
Those missing stations are on the soon-defunct CH49.

See here for the services carried on each of the frequency-channels/multiplexes - http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?liste=2&live=15&lang=en . That page show the services carried on the Kippure and Three Rock transmitters but is the same for all transmitters nationwide.

As you can see from the list RTÉ One/VM3 (Mux2) are carried on a different multiplex to TG4 (Mux1). I don't understand why you are missing some channels from each multiplex because when you receive a multiplex all services should be stored by default unless there is an issue with your receiver.

Spur Hill: Mux1 - CH45, new Mux2 - CH39, old Mux2 - CH49

Gamayun wrote: »

Both CH39 and CH45 show as: Level 100%, Quality 90%.
Does this mean that my aerial is OK for this channel range (i.e is group ?
Or could it be the case that the aerial is C/D but still registers the signal from CH39 (but cannot get all stations)?

My indoor aerial (One For All SV9360 R01 DVB-T Active VHF/UHF Antenna) gives no indication of it's specs unfortunately.

Signal levels are perfect for both muxes/frequency-channels so you should have no problem receiving all services from both muxes. That one-for-all is probably wideband, covering the full range of frequencies.

Missing channels could indicate an issue with your receiver.

Ben Done wrote: »

... Nearest transmitter is Clermont.
Tried to rescan channels but the Irish ones still have a dot at the end of the name..

Would I be right in saying that the aerial will need to be replaced in this case?

An aerial that works for the original Clermont Carn frequencies should be alright for the new ones. Try a manual tune of chs. 42 & 45 (642 & 666 MHz).

Hi all,
I have the Blazer HD400 and the epg for the Irish channels is messed up.

Could someone please advise on how to fix this. I can't find a manual or a video for this box.

I'm using the LG tv that has a satellite tuner and a freeview tuner.
I set it up with the location set to Uk for Satellite so I get freesat channels and working epg.. and then have location set to ireland for the app store so I get the irish players...

This way I get the saorview 7 day epg and the freesat 7 day epg for the UK channels...

S'how some nice people on boards helped me get set up to have workng EPGs on the tv...
When I get around to affording an enigma box I can take a differnt approach..

The Cush wrote: »

48 is the UHF number which corresponds to a frequency the channels are transmitted on.

801, 804 are the channels LCNs (logical channel numbers). The numbers given to channels by the broadcaster or allocated by the receiver as to where they sit within the TV epg/guide.

What receiver are you using? The numbers from 800 upwards are only allocated when the TV/receiver that scans for channels is setup with UK as its country/region. A receiver setup with Ireland as the country will store then in their proper positions from 1, 2, etc., see the attached.

Digifriendly wrote: »

Any reason above table doesn't cover the whole UHF frequency span up to C68?

It only covers the existing broadcasting band and from March 4th will be further reduced, UHF21 - UHF 48.

IIRC the original UHF band from the early 1960's Stockholm Agreement was up to UHF82.

The Cush wrote: »

It only covers the existing broadcasting band and from March 4th will be further reduced, UHF21 - UHF 48.

IIRC the original UHF band from the early 1960's Stockholm Agreement was up to UHF82.

Does existing UHF band not still include C60 as Com 8 from Divis is on it at present?
Also from March 4 Com 7 and Com 8 from Divis will both be in the 50's.

The Cush wrote: »

South of the border UHF60 wasn't allocated to any of the existing sites but could be used in a 6 mux service which of course never happened, it effectively became a guard band between broadcasting and 4G services. Different for the UK because of the greater requirement for broadcasting.

Interim Com 7 and 8 mux will be gone within the next 2 years.

Sorry as I thought UK and ROI were totally in synch re DTT broadcasting frequency band.
I think removal of Com 7/8 are very likely but not totally certain. There is still some debate that I have seen re their future on Digital Spy.

copper04 wrote: »

I have retuned both in normal and full range but still getting advisory message. The new ch's are suppose to be 46 and 48 but after retune they are showing no transmisson on my TV.
I saw a suggestion to do a retune with the aerial disconnected to delete existing ch's. Did that but still same advisory message on all ch's except TNG...

By 'normal and full', do you mean you tried manual scan of a single frequency, as well as an auto scan of the full TV band?

Channel 48 was already in use at Maghera. ('TNG' is on it.) Can't see why you wouldn't get ch. 46.

sliabh 1956 wrote: »

I have re-tuned my windows media centre a few times but I still keep getting the same message about Viewer Advisory I am in the Mahera transmitter region any advice would be grateful. I am beginning to miss programmes i have set to record as the progamme due to record is gone from the menu

This as far as I can see is an issue with non-Saorview certified receivers as they don't reject the duplicate services carried on the old frequency and are causing issues. These issues should disappear on March 4th next when the old frequencies are switched off.

The Cush wrote: »

This as far as I can see is an issue with non-Saorview certified receivers as they don't reject the duplicate services carried on the old frequency and are causing issues. These issues should disappear on March 4th next when the old frequencies are switched off.

Does this apply to combo boxes also?