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is_that_so · 29-01-2020 11:13AM

easypazz wrote: »

He was also a FF candidate at one stage. Means by default it is impossible to class him as "great"

My impression of him is based on what I thought of him as a pundit not issues with a party he once tried to represent.

is_that_so · 29-01-2020 11:14AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He's as good a pundit as any.

I'll take your word for it. Find him utterly self-absorbed and insufferable.

easypazz · 29-01-2020 11:17AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm, on the day - analysis of the count! Garrett was very good too.

Ok, so he is "great" for on the day predictions as the ballot boxes are open and each count is read out, narrowing the field each time.

But he is not "great" at making overall predictions the day before.
Have you.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 11:23AM

Michael Martin should be in education. His facility at 'revision' is unparalleled!

He's on So'R at the moment.

Suckit · 29-01-2020 12:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Michael Martin should be in education. His facility at 'revision' is unparalleled!
He's on So'R at the moment.

Saying 'Sean' almost as much as yer wan from the swing.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 12:56PM

Suckit wrote: »

Saying 'Sean' almost as much as yer wan from the swing.

Hilarious. When pressed on a Coalition with SF, he kept insisting he was 'setting out FF's position clearly, as was to be expected of any sincere party' but then obfuscated, weaseled and avoided saying what their position was on the 'pension age' for what must have been 5 minutes until O'Rourke(and this listener) gave up.

Faugheen · 29-01-2020 01:09PM

I like Yates’ predictions because I’m a real nerd for the geographical breakdowns and who it can benefit/impact. I don’t take them too seriously but they are something different to listen to rather than the parties all saying the same nonsense every day.

easypazz · 29-01-2020 01:17PM

Faugheen wrote: »

I like Yates’ predictions because I’m a real nerd for the geographical breakdowns and who it can benefit/impact. I don’t take them too seriously but they are something different to listen to rather than the parties all saying the same nonsense every day.

Paddy power are probably as good as you will get, I think its about 49 FF and 43 FG.

Any "great" pollster won't go too far wrong if they steal a prediction from paddy power.

Faugheen · 29-01-2020 01:26PM

easypazz wrote: »

Paddy power are probably as good as you will get, I think its about 49 FF and 43 FG.

Any "great" pollster won't go too far wrong if they steal a prediction from paddy power.

In fairness to Yates, he called Boxer Moran, Gino Kenny and Mick Barry in 2016 when the bookies had them as 8th or 9th in their odds. Mick Barry in particular was given no hope by the bookies.

It’s not just the predictions he makes, it’s the reasoning behind them which is what makes it interesting. He’s clearly not just going off by odds from the bookies.

At the moment, he has Imelda Munster (1/14 with the bookies) to lose her seat in Louth in expense of a 9/4 FF candidate.

gormdubhgorm · 29-01-2020 03:17PM

Faugheen wrote: »

In fairness to Yates, he called Boxer Moran, Gino Kenny and Mick Barry in 2016 when the bookies had them as 8th or 9th in their odds. Mick Barry in particular was given no hope by the bookies.

It’s not just the predictions he makes, it’s the reasoning behind them which is what makes it interesting. He’s clearly not just going off by odds from the bookies.

At the moment, he has Imelda Munster (1/14 with the bookies) to lose her seat in Louth in expense of a 9/4 FF candidate.

Yeah I remember the last election Yates seemed to have a great feel for what was going on the ground. Also is able to give insight to the listener about the reality of statements and behind the scenes stuff.

is_that_so · 29-01-2020 03:28PM

Faugheen wrote: »

In fairness to Yates, he called Boxer Moran, Gino Kenny and Mick Barry in 2016 when the bookies had them as 8th or 9th in their odds. Mick Barry in particular was given no hope by the bookies.

It’s not just the predictions he makes, it’s the reasoning behind them which is what makes it interesting. He’s clearly not just going off by odds from the bookies.

At the moment, he has Imelda Munster (1/14 with the bookies) to lose her seat in Louth in expense of a 9/4 FF candidate.

That would be the unknown councillor James Byrne. FF have no base in the south of the constituency and he's up against herself, Nash and O'Dowd. Hard to see him doing much better than their candidate in 2016.

shenanagans · 29-01-2020 03:52PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Yeah I remember the last election Yates seemed to have a great feel for what was going on the ground. Also is able to give insight to the listener about the reality of statements and behind the scenes stuff.

Whether people like Yeats or not he's the best for predictions come elections. His analysis in 2016 was the most accurate in fairness. His 'calling it' podcasts are worth a listen if people are interested for their constituencies...

https://www.goloudnow.com/podcasts/calling-it-540

James Brown · 29-01-2020 04:07PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Michael Martin should be in education. His facility at 'revision' is unparalleled!
He's on So'R at the moment.

Dad joke.
Reported to the MODS.

Calhoun · 29-01-2020 04:56PM

I watched the prime time debate lastnight and ill be honest out of the lot of them the Independent lady ( don't know her name) was strongest amongst them and seem to know her facts.

Saorise was definitely the worst of them all and it was cringe worthy television. I am surprised it hasn't been picked up more by the media.

The FG and FF candidates seemed a bit off, the FG candidate seemed to be droning on with rapid statistics but didn't get a sense that he actually emphasised with what people were saying and why they were angry. The FF candidate tried to avoid a question or two before he was pulled back. Then they both tried to have an argument.

Decent debate and was well moderated.

shenanagans · 29-01-2020 05:18PM

Calhoun wrote: »

I watched the prime time debate lastnight and ill be honest out of the lot of them the Independent lady ( don't know her name) was strongest amongst them and seem to know her facts.

Saorise was definitely the worst of them all and it was cringe worthy television. I am surprised it hasn't been picked up more by the media.

The FG and FF candidates seemed a bit off, the FG candidate seemed to be droning on with rapid statistics but didn't get a sense that he actually emphasised with what people were saying and why they were angry. The FF candidate tried to avoid a question or two before he was pulled back. Then they both tried to have an argument.

Decent debate and was well moderated.

Marion Harkin was the independent. She's running in Sligo/Leitrim. FG wanted her to run for them but she is staying independent.

Suckit · 29-01-2020 05:24PM

Has anyone seen a video of Leo answering 'questions' going around? Jesus.
What is that supposed to achieve?? :eek:
My mother jsut sent it to me on Whatsapp...
Guaranteed to be bad if she is ripping the P*ss out of it.
I don't even understand the thinking behind it if it's real.

An Ciarraioch · 29-01-2020 08:15PM

Ironically, Catherine Murphy was probably more communicative in five minutes with Brian Dobson, than Shortall was for the two hours on Monday.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 08:17PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Ironically, Catherine Murphy was probably more communicative in five minutes with Brian Dobson, than Shortall was for the two hours on Monday.

She was very good. But immediately you might realise why, when Dobson goes after RBB like a rottweiler.
Catherine got a very easy interview.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2020 08:19PM

Suckit wrote: »

Has anyone seen a video of Leo answering 'questions' going around? Jesus.
What is that supposed to achieve?? :eek:
My mother jsut sent it to me on Whatsapp...
Guaranteed to be bad if she is ripping the P*ss out of it.
I don't even understand the thinking behind it if it's real.

I did.

I give up commenting on him, he seems to not want to go back. Bored maybe?

Gamb!t · 29-01-2020 08:34PM

Suckit wrote: »

Has anyone seen a video of Leo answering 'questions' going around? Jesus.
What is that supposed to achieve?? :eek:
My mother jsut sent it to me on Whatsapp...
Guaranteed to be bad if she is ripping the P*ss out of it.
I don't even understand the thinking behind it if it's real.

No,whats he saying?

Suckit · 29-01-2020 09:25PM

Gamb!t wrote: »

No,whats he saying?

It's odd. He is sitting on something and he has a whiteboard with questions

(In fact everything is white bar his clothes), and there is some weird music playing. Just stupid questions "where are you from", "what do you do"

It has to be real, but is it supposed to help him in the election?
I will try and upload it to streamable.

Edited - I found it with a quick search
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/leo-varadkar-answers-the-most-googled-questions-about-him-1.4155092

I didn't realise it was the most searched questions about him. Still odd.

IngazZagni · 29-01-2020 09:49PM

Suckit wrote: »

Has anyone seen a video of Leo answering 'questions' going around? Jesus.
What is that supposed to achieve?? :eek:
My mother jsut sent it to me on Whatsapp...
Guaranteed to be bad if she is ripping the P*ss out of it.
I don't even understand the thinking behind it if it's real.

Those kind of videos are very common with celebrities and politicians. They were just the most googled search items of him. Not sure what the big deal is?

Hippykitten · 29-01-2020 10:21PM

Another debate on tonight (Primetime)

SafeSurfer · 29-01-2020 10:24PM

Hippykitten wrote: »

Another debate on tonight (Primetime)

Who’s on tonight? Is it all the left wing parties?

ChikiChiki · 29-01-2020 10:27PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The country is fine.

Stop with the hyperbole.

Nowhere is some magical land of bliss and every country has problems, most worst than Ireland.

This is exactly the attitude that means we will never reach our full potential.

We know the country is not a **** heap jesus christ we are in a better position than 98% of the human race by being born here.

But my god the country is not fine ffs. Health, infrastructure, housing supply falling apart at the seams. Gross fiscal mismanagement over the years means the chickens are coming home to roost.

Whatever happened to aspiring to be the best we can be instead of just accepting mediocrity.

Hippykitten · 29-01-2020 10:29PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Who’s on tonight? Is it all the left wing parties?

Apologies ... think it's next Tuesday!

I Am The Law · 29-01-2020 10:31PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This is exactly the attitude that means we will never reach our full potential.

We know the country is not a **** heap jesus christ we are in a better position than 98% of the human race by being born here.

But my god the country is not fine ffs. Health, infrastructure, housing supply falling apart at the seams. Gross fiscal mismanagement over the years means the chickens are coming home to roost.

Whatever happened to aspiring to be the best we can be instead of just accepting mediocrity.

Correct, we're 100 years behind where we could be.

Calhoun · 29-01-2020 10:58PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This is exactly the attitude that means we will never reach our full potential.

We know the country is not a **** heap jesus christ we are in a better position than 98% of the human race by being born here.

But my god the country is not fine ffs. Health, infrastructure, housing supply falling apart at the seams. Gross fiscal mismanagement over the years means the chickens are coming home to roost.

Whatever happened to aspiring to be the best we can be instead of just accepting mediocrity.

Indeed the country works really well when your able bodied and don't require help but falls down greatly when it does.

ChikiChiki · 29-01-2020 11:08PM

Calhoun wrote: »

Indeed the country works really well when your able bodied and don't require help but falls down greatly when it does.

Yep i agree. Personally I'm in a good position but I have seen too many people close to me fall through various cracks. The problems are not lost on me and I really emphatise.

Also I see things that frustrate me on a daily basis. Today's example being a young lad becoming frighteningly unwell on an overcrowded train. Commuter rail infrastructure has not increased in proportion with population increase. Failings of the state.

SafeSurfer · 29-01-2020 11:17PM

I Am The Law wrote: »

Correct, we're 100 years behind where we could be.

Can you point to any country in the world which is 100 years ahead of us?

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