General Election TV debates

Loafing Oaf · 28-01-2020 07:04PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He will do the same re: SF coalition, if it is the only option IN MY OPINION.

How could it be the only option if there's an offer from FG on the table?

Do you see a realistic possibility that FF + SF will have the numbers to form a government but FF + FG won't?

FrancieBrady · 28-01-2020 07:05PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Indeed, pages upon pages of the same old tired SF/IRA crap that no one outside of a few political anoraks cares about anymore. Take it to another thread lads, this one is about the TV debates

Anyway next TV debate Thursday night TV3 at 9pm

Word is that Mick Barry will be taking over from Richard Boyd Barrett for this one

Should have been all made to switch to another party member maybe.

Whatever, it will be hard to follow the Claire Bryne act.

shenanagans · 28-01-2020 07:14PM

easypazz wrote: »

A bit pointless going 7 ways again. A 3 way this time would work, then a final head to head next week.

In a future election if there are genuinely 3 parties vying for it you could have 3 x 2 ways so each leader goes one to one with the other 2.

I'd have loved to hear Mary Lous answer on if she signed a pledge or not last night, but Howlin butted in.

It could have been a Sean "Brown Envelope" Gallagher moment for her.

If the question gets answered again she have her answer ready and will spin here way out of it.

Would think that a debate with FF, FG and Greens would be more relevant given no one will touch SF. But broadcasters couldn't have greens without SF unfortunately. Howlin and Shortall were very poor last night. I'd have liked to heard more from Greens. MM was fairly cosying up to Eamon.

quinnd6 · 28-01-2020 07:15PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

what are many of them paying primarily ? vat. Its the problem here with the discourse! Its why I think the debates are farcical in a way. You have people, who pay virtually nothing into the system or have paid virtually nothing in and they want even the working poor, hit by a marginal tax rate of FIFTY percent, to pay for it all.

the system here, is deluded. So are many of the electorate... they dont care who pays or that persons ability to pay, once they are working, they must be comfortable and "fair game"

but they government here are idiots, I mean perception is huge here. they have just re-instated full dole here for under 25's, does anyone really care or did it make many headlines? no. I think its idiocy. The cost of that alone, is probably a multiple of whatever absolute pittance and irrelevance was saved, by closing garda stations and post offices. these state controls a colossal budget every year, and why they bothered tinkering around with what the equivalent to you and I would be red cents in our wallet and the damage it has done to them politically (rightly or wrongly), they are absolute fools

Eh who's paying 50% tax?
The big corporations like Apple aren't paying tax.
The banks aren't paying tax.
The millionaires are doing their best to dodge tax.
Yet you want to go after poor people on jobseekers.
Really?
Are you serious oh for god's sake.
No ordinary people who are working shouldn't have to pay 50% tax.
I don't know where you're getting that one.
Anyway this is getting silly.

Idbatterim · 28-01-2020 07:23PM

quinnd6 wrote: »

Eh who's paying 50% tax?
The big corporations like Apple aren't paying tax.
The banks aren't paying tax.
The millionaires are doing their best to dodge tax.
Yet you want to go after poor people on jobseekers.
Really?
Are you serious oh for god's sake.
No ordinary people who are working shouldn't have to pay 50% tax.
I don't know where you're getting that one.
Anyway this is getting silly.

but of course they have to pay that marginal rate. When nobody else wants or is expected to pay their way. Can you blame anyone trying to dodge tax, for doing so? they arent poor, many are getting free houses, that people next door, can pay up to E3000 a month for, after bloody tax, no lpt, no management fee. you wont find the spineless weasel politicians calling a spade a spade here, but I will! They think , go after the "high earners" on 80-100k plus "high earners" :rolleyes: and they reckon they are fair game! Why? because how many voters pull in decent money as a percentage of the electorate? buy the rest of them off, with the mid to high earners taxes, that dont actually qualify them for better dole if made redundant, state pension is virtually the same. the system here, massively benefits to welfare recipients and lower paid, but at least the workers actually work! free gp visits, while working poor dont go, because they might have to pay E60. Free unlimited transport for many too, that dont actually work! Surprised the left here, havent proposed confiscating all property and wealth of the "rich" on 80k plus and selling it off and redistributing it to margaret cash and co....

you dont know where I am coming from, because you likely have dont know how things work in other countries, in the uk or germany etc, have a debate like yesterday, I can tell you now, the taxpayers there have a voice! It wouldnt be every party , trying to siphon off more money from them and give those paying into the system , nothing in return, which is what we have here...

James Brown · 28-01-2020 07:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Already posted this.

I am voting for Matt Carty this time with his running mate as No. 2. Or vice versa.

BTW, I have no interest in how others vote. Not sure why people need to know this stuff.

I believe the thinking is generally that folk will post, 'Now I'm no FG'er, but f*** me, if they aren't really good for the country. I'm not saying vote for them, but as an impartial observer, they are the best going so they are', which I can't see working on anyone anyway.
Also, 'you would say that' is a great pull the chute go to for some party folk, like it denigrates any point you might make.

Naggdefy · 28-01-2020 07:44PM

Don't know where to post this. Ok severe wintry weather like December 2010 or Beast/Emma March 2018 hits. Transport is severely effected in many rural areas. Snow ploughs etc are struggling to keep the main roads open.

Will the election be postponed at the last minute?

Will it go ahead? Surely FF would suffer most? FG and SF, Greens etc most likely to gain votes in urban areas, where people can generally get to polling booths. The urban 'middle' classes most likely to vote FG, maybe Green. SF to do well in more 'working' class urban areas.

What's ye're take?

quinnd6 · 28-01-2020 07:44PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

but of course they have to pay that marginal rate. When nobody else wants or is expected to pay their way. Can you blame anyone trying to dodge tax, for doing so? they arent poor, many are getting free houses, that people next door, can pay up to E3000 a month for, after bloody tax, no lpt, no management fee. you wont find the spineless weasel politicians calling a spade a spade here, but I will! They think , go after the "high earners" on 80-100k plus "high earners" :rolleyes: and they reckon they are fair game! Why? because how many voters pull in decent money as a percentage of the electorate? buy the rest of them off, with the mid to high earners taxes, that dont actually qualify them for better dole if made redundant, state pension is virtually the same. the system here, massively benefits to welfare recipients and lower paid, but at least the workers actually work! free gp visits, while working poor dont go, because they might have to pay E60. Free unlimited transport for many too, that dont actually work! Surprised the left here, havent proposed confiscating all property and wealth of the "rich" on 80k plus and selling it off and redistributing it to margaret cash and co....

you dont know where I am coming from, because you likely have dont know how things work in other countries, in the uk or germany etc, have a debate like yesterday, I can tell you now, the taxpayers there have a voice! It wouldnt be every party , trying to siphon off more money from them and give those paying into the system , nothing in return, which is what we have here...

That's because the welfare recipients don't have the money to pay for all that.
They're not all lying on their ass.
They're looking for jobs and at home carers.
Companies like Seetec also have hounded unemployed people and not helped them get any work at all.
Just being a complete nuisance.
Anyway you wouldn't understand.
People in general are selfish just looking at their own specific situation.
People in society who need help for whatever reason should be able to get help.

easypazz · 28-01-2020 07:47PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Don't know where to post this. Ok severe wintry weather like December 2010 or Beast/Emma March 2018 hits. Transport is severely effected in many rural areas. Snow ploughs etc are struggling to keep the main roads open.

Will the election be postponed at the last minute?

Will it go ahead? Surely FF would suffer most? FG and SF, Greens etc most likely to gain votes in urban areas, where people can generally get to polling booths. The urban 'middle' classes most likely to vote FG, maybe Green. SF to do well in more 'working' class urban areas.

What's ye're take?

They would have follow protocol and postpone.

Edit - only if a red warning gets issued, and for those counties only.

SafeSurfer · 28-01-2020 07:47PM

Here is a useful link to the manifestos of Irish political parties ahead of each general election.

http://michaelpidgeon.com/manifestos/

It seems the meaning of a manifesto is lost on many people.

Only a party in government with an overall majority can attempt to deliver its manifesto in it’s entirety.

FrancieBrady · 28-01-2020 07:49PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Don't know where to post this. Ok severe wintry weather like December 2010 or Beast/Emma March 2018 hits. Transport is severely effected in many rural areas. Snow ploughs etc are struggling to keep the main roads open.

Will the election be postponed at the last minute?

Will it go ahead? Surely FF would suffer most? FG and SF, Greens etc most likely to gain votes in urban areas, where people can generally get to polling booths. The urban 'middle' classes most likely to vote FG, maybe Green. SF to do well in more 'working' class urban areas.

What's ye're take?

Hard to know. Has anyone made a prediction on turnout?

65% turnout in 2016...are the electorate more invigourated to get out and vote this time? I getting the feeling they are. If there's a gunder of snow? Maybe not so much so.

James Brown · 28-01-2020 07:53PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Here is a useful link to the manifestos of Irish political parties ahead of each general election.

It seems the meaning of a manifesto is lost on many people.

Only a party in government with an overall majority can attempt to deliver its manifesto in it’s entirety.

Link?

I've asked on numerous occasions for examples where Kenny's government tried to enact key manifesto points only to have Labour scuttle them.
Same with Varadkar's. Any key manifesto points put under the stairs by FF?

SafeSurfer · 28-01-2020 07:57PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Link?

I've asked on numerous occasions for examples where Kenny's government tried to enact key manifesto points only to have Labour scuttle them.
Same with Varadkar's. Any key manifesto points put under the stairs by FF?

http://michaelpidgeon.com/manifestos/

tobsey · 28-01-2020 08:16PM

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Link?

I've asked on numerous occasions for examples where Kenny's government tried to enact key manifesto points only to have Labour scuttle them.
Same with Varadkar's. Any key manifesto points put under the stairs by FF?

http://michaelpidgeon.com/manifestos/docs/fg/Fine%20Gael%20GE%202011.pdf

First point on first page looking to prioritise spending cuts over tax increases. Labour had a red line issue for no cuts in core social welfare rates. So in order to pay for those, tax increases were required instead.

This is Varadkar’s first election as leader so we don’t have a manifesto to go by.

boardise · 28-01-2020 09:07PM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

He's like a lad coming back to school after the summer holidays, explaining what he got up to with "a girl who goes to a different school in a different town so you prob don't know her"[/QUOT

Looks like he's going to grab something .:eek:

boardise · 28-01-2020 09:32PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I could see FG catching FF here. Varadkar is doing well against them after a bad start.

I'd be astonished if this happened. FG look sure to suffer losses at least among older people and farmers. Then they are losing many big names and vote-getters.
They're unlikely to edge a number of three seaters against FF who have the momentum at this stage.
On top of all that,as far as I can see, most of the media is unrelentingly hostile to them.
Barring unforeseen happenings -damage limitation is all they are playing for -something in the low forties I reckon.

McMurphy · 28-01-2020 10:28PM

boardise wrote: »

I'd be astonished if this happened. FG look sure to suffer losses at least among older people and farmers. Then they are losing many big names and vote-getters.
They're unlikely to edge a number of three seaters against FF who have the momentum at this stage.
On top of all that,as far as I can see, most of the media is unrelentingly hostile to them.
Barring unforeseen happenings -damage limitation is all they are playing for -something in the low forties I reckon.

Fine Gael are facing a General Election collapse in rural Ireland.

Calhoun · 28-01-2020 10:41PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

but of course they have to pay that marginal rate. When nobody else wants or is expected to pay their way. Can you blame anyone trying to dodge tax, for doing so? they arent poor, many are getting free houses, that people next door, can pay up to E3000 a month for, after bloody tax, no lpt, no management fee. you wont find the spineless weasel politicians calling a spade a spade here, but I will! They think , go after the "high earners" on 80-100k plus "high earners" :rolleyes: and they reckon they are fair game! Why? because how many voters pull in decent money as a percentage of the electorate? buy the rest of them off, with the mid to high earners taxes, that dont actually qualify them for better dole if made redundant, state pension is virtually the same. the system here, massively benefits to welfare recipients and lower paid, but at least the workers actually work! free gp visits, while working poor dont go, because they might have to pay E60. Free unlimited transport for many too, that dont actually work! Surprised the left here, havent proposed confiscating all property and wealth of the "rich" on 80k plus and selling it off and redistributing it to margaret cash and co....

you dont know where I am coming from, because you likely have dont know how things work in other countries, in the uk or germany etc, have a debate like yesterday, I can tell you now, the taxpayers there have a voice! It wouldnt be every party , trying to siphon off more money from them and give those paying into the system , nothing in return, which is what we have here...

Damned straight if i could get away with tax avoidance to use the politically correct term i would.

Loafing Oaf · 28-01-2020 10:43PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Fine Gael are facing a General Election collapse in rural Ireland.

Yep but bookies have them odds on to hold two seats in a lot of rural constituencies: Mayo, Limerick County, Clare, Carlow-Kilkenny...Conservatism of rural voters could see them minimise seat losses even if their vote takes a sizeable hit

Gamb!t · 28-01-2020 10:54PM

Thought FG handled the debate well.FF not so well.

NIMAN · 28-01-2020 10:55PM

Couple of candidates being found out by Miriam now on Prime time.

Saorise McHugh was tipped for a bright future in politics and I think she did a good job of ruining it tonight in 5 mins.

FFs Charlie McConnelogue also struggling to answer what he's being asked..

Jinglejangle69 · 28-01-2020 10:56PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Couple of candidates being found out by Miriam now on Prime time.

Saorise McHugh was tipped for a bright future in politics and I think she did a good job of ruining it tonight in 5 mins.

FFs Charlie McConnelogue also struggling to answer what he's being asked..

Saoirse done the same the other night.

Absolutely clueless head banger like the greens.

No idea what they are actually on about.

Calhoun · 28-01-2020 10:56PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Saorise McHugh was tipped for a bright future in politics and I think she did a good job of ruining it tonight in 5 mins.

What happened?

Tony EH · 28-01-2020 10:57PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Couple of candidates being found out by Miriam now on Prime time.

Saorise McHugh was tipped for a bright future in politics and I think she did a good job of ruining it tonight in 5 mins.

Jesus, that poor kid did not do well there.

NIMAN · 28-01-2020 10:58PM

Calhoun wrote: »

What happened?

In summary basically made points that were against what her leader and party are saying.

Miriam even said maybe you need to be an independent.

Charlie gave an answer and MOC basically said that's not what I asked you, and then he struggled.

whatawaster · 28-01-2020 10:59PM

Not sure why Saoirse McHugh is even in the Green Party. Disastrous interview for her and the party

Blanco100 · 28-01-2020 10:59PM

Its going to be a FG-FF government again, confidence and supply motion. Probably FF as main party this time with MM as taoiseach

There's no other possibility. "for the good of the country" will be the buzz phrase for few weeks after.

This is a certainty.

Calhoun · 28-01-2020 10:59PM

NIMAN wrote: »

In summary basically made points that against what her leader and party are saying.

Miriam even said maybe you need to be an independent.

Charlie gave an answer and MOC basically said that's not what I asked you, and then he struggled.

Ill need to watch it, did she go on a solo run of tax everything that Eamonn has been trying to distance himself from.

its good when the veil slips as you get to see the true intentions.

NIMAN · 28-01-2020 11:02PM

She just sounds a bit clueless. But you'd think if you are going to be on tv, the party would make sure you are schooled. She came across as someone who has never been asked a political question before.
And it's not over, I'm sure she'll have to face another

She's on!

ricero · 28-01-2020 11:03PM

Saoirse McHugh is useless.

Find her quite poor anytime I see her in this type of forum.

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