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Calhoun · 28-01-2020 03:52AM

Might be easier to work with said party if they could shake off the spectre of the black hand that follows them around.

Its also easier for the small nobodies to say something like that when given a snifter of power they would sell out fast.

They both were labor party members when it ****ed over allot of its core ideals, only difference being shorthal threw a strop over the primary care centres.

Calhoun · 28-01-2020 04:00AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

And FF shut Templemore.

True but that was 11 years ago, so they have a bit more of an edge over FG when it comes to it.

Arghus · 28-01-2020 04:13AM

Not saying that any of the other crowds are any way more capable, but the spectre of FF making promises about loads of houses getting built should give people a sense of deja vu - and send a shiver up their spine.

StupidLikeAFox · 28-01-2020 04:44AM

Calhoun wrote: »

OMFG hahahahha, the picture of Eamon in the indo article.

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He's like a lad coming back to school after the summer holidays, explaining what he got up to with "a girl who goes to a different school in a different town so you prob don't know her"

Phoebas · 28-01-2020 08:29AM

Calhoun wrote: »

On topic, if FF and FG can get more milage out of the special criminal court and other shady **** they can knock them down a bit. Especially consider all the crap going on in drogheda ect.

Peadar Toibin has thrown a big spanner in the SF works on who controls Sinn Fein.

Sinn Féin TDs have 'zero' influence and policies are handed down, says Tóibín

We used to get a lot of this from FF & FG but now it's coming from the horse's mouth.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/sinn-fein-tds-have-zero-influence-and-policies-are-handed-down-says-toibin-38901964.html

McMurphy · 28-01-2020 08:31AM

Suckit wrote: »

That reads as though they are guessing FF will be next in power. Joe Duffy-eque with the popular opinion.
I would agree Róisín Shortall was invisible for much of it, but when she spoke, she spoke well. If Eamon Ryan got 4/10, then Róisín got 6.
MM with 7 is a joke. LV with 5 may be accurate, he got agitated, made a few mistakes and made very few decent points.
Would not agree with most of that article.

The author of that article must have been watching a completely different debate than the rest of the country was watching, Michael Martin most definitely did not come out as the winner in that debate, he came across as flustered, stuck for words, and even childish in some cases, obviously doesn't like being reminded of the IMF coming to town, them denying it, and the pension reserve being raided also seemed to be a sore point with him, with him only able to answer his opponent with raising his eyes to heaven.

I would actually have placed Leo ahead of Martin - but only marginally.

Richard Boyd Barrett was the clear winner, with Mary Lou a very close second, this probably being her stand out moment.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1221930191624331266?s=19

Leo looked completely stumped there.

Roisin and Brendan should have just stayed at home, and Eamon Ryan should have stayed in bed.

McMurphy · 28-01-2020 08:37AM

Phoebas wrote: »

Peadar Toibin has thrown a big spanner in the SF works on who controls Sinn Fein.

Sinn Féin TDs have 'zero' influence and policies are handed down, says Tóibín

We used to get a lot of this from FF & FG but now it's coming from the horse's mouth.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/sinn-fein-tds-have-zero-influence-and-policies-are-handed-down-says-toibin-38901964.html

The Indo wouldn't have given Tobin the time of day while he was a member of the party, now he's outside the tent looking in , his world is gospel.

They (the Indo) should be very careful their articles don't do exactly the opposite of what they're hoping to achieve with their obvious attempts at sabotage.

christy c · 28-01-2020 08:41AM

McMurphy wrote: »

The Indo wouldn't have given Tobin the time of day while he was a member of the party, now he's outside the tent looking in , his world is gospel.

They (the Indo) should be very careful their articles don't do exactly the opposite of what they're hoping to achieve with their obvious attempts at sabotage.

So to sum up, it's the indo that's the problem. And SF shouldn't be criticised in case it increases their support.

Phoebas · 28-01-2020 08:44AM

christy c wrote: »

So to sum up, it's the indo that's the problem. And SF shouldn't be criticised in case it increases their support.

Peadar Toibin is going to be mightly pissed off this morning when he sees that story the Indo invented.

smurgen · 28-01-2020 08:49AM

Phoebas wrote: »

Peadar Toibin is going to be mightly pissed off this morning when he sees that story the Indo invented.

More hyperbolic statements from the Finnerbots. This is going to backfire completely. The unwillingness to see the public Mood shift and the constant attacking of those in the middle reminds me of the time Hillary called non Hillary supporters the deplorables.

McMurphy · 28-01-2020 08:51AM

christy c wrote: »

So to sum up, it's the indo that's the problem. And SF shouldn't be criticised in case it increases their support.

Absolutely not, the Indo can criticise them all they want, I'm just pointing out how Tobins word will now be gospel despite how his word (or the word of any sitting TD within SF) not being good enough for them while in the party.

It's reminiscent of the Boston tapes, and Mairia Cahill tbh, ex provos, who became opponents of the GFA and Adams (dissidents) say bad things about Adams or Sinn Fein, so now their word is gospel.

It has a bang of hypocrisy of it, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

As I said, this is definitely not Sinn Feins Sean Gallagher moment, and I say that as someone who will not be voting for them in this election.

rdwight · 28-01-2020 09:03AM

Ted Howell get a mention in the debate at all?

christy c · 28-01-2020 09:04AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Absolutely not, the Indo can criticise them all they want, I'm just pointing out how Tobins word will now be gospel despite how his word (or the word of any sitting TD within SF) not being good enough for them while in the party.

Suppose I agree, but that's life isn't it? Similar to how some people had no time for Alan Shatter for example, but when he criticised FG his word was used as a stick to beat them.

Personally I don't really care about this, it's more about the economy for me and as Mary Lou demonstrated again last night they haven't a clue (even compared to the geniuses in FF and FG).

FrancieBrady · 28-01-2020 09:10AM

Has a more odious, power hungry sleeveen 'politician' as Michael Martin emerged in this country in the last 20 years?

He would sell his granny for the job. No humility for his part in the crash and bankrupting of the country, no responsibility for the current mess in Health, Housing etc

He walked into haymakers last night on the above yet the equally desparate and sleeveen Indo has him as the winner??

I will say it now, I'd prefer Leo to remain as Taoiseach than that man get the job.
My favourite outcome would be an internal FF revolt on coalition with SF.

Snow Garden · 28-01-2020 09:14AM

Leo's line about nutters in every party still makes me smile.

He is so right.

McMurphy · 28-01-2020 09:27AM

christy c wrote: »

Suppose I agree, but that's life isn't it? Similar to how some people had no time for Alan Shatter for example, but when he criticised FG his word was used as a stick to beat them.

Personally I don't really care about this, it's more about the economy for me and as Mary Lou demonstrated again last night they haven't a clue (even compared to the geniuses in FF and FG).

This tbh, there's more than enough legitimate reasons to critique SF than innuendo about the RA.

The Indo readers will be predominately of a certain vintage who will have their minds made up about the shinners and the conflict up North already, so there's no point trying to preach to the already converted.

It's the younger generation they need to appeal to, and they won't be doing that through their online articles, or hard copies either.

The younger generation (who it seems according to breakdown of the polls) that are responsible for the surge in polls, who obviously view the troubles or the past IRA connections as ancient history, and therefore irrelevant.

I heard it best described in a conversation between a father and son who I know quite well, the da said he could never vote Sinn Fein because he was a child of the 60s and remembered the troubles, his son said that the 60s were 50-60 years ago, and 50-60 years before that was the era of the era of Collins and Dev, and wondered was their a time limit on how far back he was to be outraged?

The da went quiet.

rdwight · 28-01-2020 09:52AM

McMurphy wrote: »

This tbh, there's more than enough legitimate reasons to critique SF than innuendo about the RA.

The Indo readers will be predominately of a certain vintage who will have their minds made up about the shinners and the conflict up North already, so there's no point trying to preach to the already converted.

It's the younger generation they need to appeal to, and they won't be doing that through their online articles, or hard copies either.

The younger generation (who it seems according to breakdown of the polls) that are responsible for the surge in polls, who obviously view the troubles or the past IRA connections as ancient history, and therefore irrelevant.

I heard it best described in a conversation between a father and son who I know quite well, the da said he could never vote Sinn Fein because he was a child of the 60s and remembered the troubles, his son said that the 60s were 50-60 years ago, and 50-60 years before that was the era of the era of Collins and Dev, and wondered was their a time limit on how far back he was to be outraged?

The da went quiet.

Not much of a rhetorican your friend's Da, is he? If he's a child of the 60's (and the Troubles had only begun at the very end of that decade) his son is probably a child of the 80's or 90's and should at least have been aware of the killing of Garda McCabe (and Ferris' subsequent behaviour) and the Omagh bombing.

Not that I'm doubting it, but your story has the ring of an Enda Kenny tale about meeting a man in a pub.

Phoebas · 28-01-2020 09:55AM

rdwight wrote: »

Not that I'm doubting it, but your story has the ring of an Enda Kenny tale about meeting a man in a pub.

That crossed my mind too.

McMurphy · 28-01-2020 09:56AM

rdwight wrote: »

Not much of a rhetorican your friend's Da, is he? If he's a child of the 60's (and the Troubles had only begun at the very end of that decade) his son is probably a child of the 80's or 90's and should at least have been aware of the killing of Garda McCabe (and Ferris' subsequent behaviour) and the Omagh bombing.

Not that I'm doubting it, but your story has the ring of an Enda Kenny tale about meeting a man in a pub.

The Omagh bomb was the actions of Sinn Feins opponents, dissident Republicans, which takes us back to what I was saying about Mairia Cahill.

BarryD2 · 28-01-2020 10:28AM

deisedevil wrote: »

Mary Lou running away with the poll here on boards, also on the journal and just now the panelists on the after show on RTE all went with Mary Lou. I thought she was caught out a few times and poor when it came to discussing the financial side of things, but it's clear that most people feel she came out on top.

Mary Lou is a good speaker, a bit aggressive at times. But she can blithely blather on about how the sun is shining when in fact it's pissing rain outside.

Like many in this state, I'm old enough to recall the Troubles up north and the misery that the republican movement up there participated in. And that Sinn Féin is their political wing. This is why neither FF or FG will discuss coalition with SF. Micheál Martin to give his due, gave this message straight to Mary Lou last night.

I think they'll have to wait for at least another generation of voters down here to die off before they have much hope.

ednwireland · 28-01-2020 10:30AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has a more odious, power hungry sleeveen 'politician' as Michael Martin emerged in this country in the last 20 years?

He would sell his granny for the job. No humility for his part in the crash and bankrupting of the country, no responsibility for the current mess in Health, Housing etc

He walked into haymakers last night on the above yet the equally desparate and sleeveen Indo has him as the winner??

I will say it now, I'd prefer Leo to remain as Taoiseach than that man get the job.
My favourite outcome would be an internal FF revolt on coalition with SF.

desperate to not be the first FF party leader to not be Taoiseach i would think is driving him morre than anything

SafeSurfer · 28-01-2020 10:45AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Howlin edging towards SF according to reports on twitter.

Howlin edging towards SF? With a view to forming a joint opposition?

SafeSurfer · 28-01-2020 10:47AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Has a more odious, power hungry sleeveen 'politician' as Michael Martin emerged in this country in the last 20 years?

He would sell his granny for the job. No humility for his part in the crash and bankrupting of the country, no responsibility for the current mess in Health, Housing etc

He walked into haymakers last night on the above yet the equally desparate and sleeveen Indo has him as the winner??

I will say it now, I'd prefer Leo to remain as Taoiseach than that man get the job.
My favourite outcome would be an internal FF revolt on coalition with SF.

At least he admits to being a member of Fianna Fáil, unlike some recently retired millionaire politicians who deny any responsibility for their past.

suicide_circus · 28-01-2020 10:58AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

joint opposition

Leo didnt show much of that in college

FrancieBrady · 28-01-2020 11:04AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

At least he admits to being a member of Fianna Fáil,

Not the FF that busted the country. It is like he wasn't there.

SafeSurfer · 28-01-2020 11:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not the FF that busted the country. It is like he wasn't there.

Just like Gerry “Paul Daniel” Adams.

FrancieBrady · 28-01-2020 11:10AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Just like Gerry “Paul Daniel” Adams.

Gerry denied he was in SF?

SafeSurfer · 28-01-2020 11:25AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Gerry denied he was in SF?

Denied he was ever a member of the IRA.
You criticise Michael Martin for being power hungry but not a whimper of the same charge from you for Sinn Fein. A party which has jettisoned all its core principles from abstentionism to “Brits Out”.

You are deluded if you think there is a large section of Fianna Fáil eager for coalition with Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady · 28-01-2020 11:31AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Denied he was ever a member of the IRA.

So what?

You criticise Michael Martin for being power hungry but not a whimper of the same charge from you for Sinn Fein. A party which has jettisoned all its core principles from abstentionism to “Brits Out”.

Every politician wants power, nothing wrong with that. To be as power hungry as MM is obscene.
At least Leo will defend decisions FG took in running the country. Martin denies what his own history is and what FF did to the country.

You are deluded if you think there is a large section of Fianna Fáil eager for coalition with Sinn Fein.

We'll wait and see on that one.

JohnnyFlash · 28-01-2020 11:36AM

FF and SF will be in coalition after the election despite what Mehole has said on the matter. SF will back down on the SCC issue as well.

There will be no one more disappointed in the compromises SF will make both in negotiations, and once faced with the reality of budgets, unions, and legislation when in Government than their hardcore supporters.

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