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Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

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    #32
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    blinding wrote: »
    No one is above criticism; Not Allah , Not Greta.

    Yes. And that criticism can be analysed and critiqued itself. See where I am going with this?


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    #33
    gozunda
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    How many school children in Ireland went on strike last Friday or any of the preceding Fridays? That's not a grass roots movement Septembers event was coordinated through a massive media and public relations campaign. You want an example of a grass roots movement look to the yellow vests in France, they have risen up against legislation that targeted them under the guise of climate change. You don't see them getting invited to the Davos club to have their photo taken. Gretas rise and her financial backers have already been exposed on this thread, the climate movement is a top down led organisation that has duped and exploited a socially naive girls condition for their own interests.

    Tbh - I believe its probably as simple as bodies such as the UN using children to promote themselves. Not the first time this has been done. First there was Severn Cullis Suzuki in 1992 ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGdS8ts63Ck


    Then this from the Opening video used at the UN Climate Meeting in Copenhagen - 2009.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGGgncVq-4


    And now we have stuff like this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVlRompc1yE


    But hey anyone being in any way critical or not swallowing the use of children to foster such alarmism is a 'hater' or a 'denier'? Sure thing...


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    #34
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    gozunda wrote: »
    But hey anyone being in any way critical or not swallowing the use of alarmism is a 'hater' or a 'denier'? Sure thing...

    Again. 9,700+ posts from which to draw conclusions.


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    #35
    gozunda
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Again. 9,700+ posts from which to draw conclusions.

    Indeed and the greatest proportion of them yours :D


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    #36
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Indeed and the greatest proportion of them yours :D

    Glad to be here.

    Sick of threads developing in to a nonsensical narrative because most people who use facts and logic simply couldn't be arsed.
    It has been very interesting that when engaging with such views as exist here, it is proven that they are motivated solely on personal desires.


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    #37
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Glad to be here. Sick of threads developing in to a nonsensical narrative because most people who use facts and logic simply couldn't be arsed.
    It has been very interesting that when engaging with such views as exist here, it is proven that they are motivated solely on personal desires.

    Well thankfully you or I dont get to decide what can or cant be discussed on this or indeed any thread.

    And to that most pertinent bit - facts Perhaps you would be good enough to explain to the rest of us - where the OP above - in any of his five posts in this thread details he is 'motivated solely by personal desires' or as you inferred is just another poster who obviously hate females and children? No? Then thats no more than the usual bashing of those who you do not agree with. But what does show is that such daft broadside insults are puerile and certainly not facts, logic or even discussion


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    #38
    KyussB
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    How many school children in Ireland went on strike last Friday or any of the preceding Fridays? That's not a grass roots movement Septembers event was coordinated through a massive media and public relations campaign. You want an example of a grass roots movement look to the yellow vests in France, they have risen up against legislation that targeted them under the guise of climate change. You don't see them getting invited to the Davos club to have their photo taken. Gretas rise and her financial backers have already been exposed on this thread, the climate movement is a top down led organisation that has duped and exploited a socially naive girls condition for their own interests.
    It's a pretty outlandish conspiracy theory, to claim that between 4-7+ million people around the world, were all astroturfing shills.

    It's the usual "accuse the other side of what you're guilty of, first" tactic.


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    #39
    KyussB
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Glad to be here.

    Sick of threads developing in to a nonsensical narrative because most people who use facts and logic simply couldn't be arsed.
    It has been very interesting that when engaging with such views as exist here, it is proven that they are motivated solely on personal desires.
    Well ya, consider that e.g. farmers have an inherent interest in being able to continue emitting enormous amounts of greenhouse gasses (ones not as obvious as CO2), to maximize their profitability - and it goes a long way to explaining parts of this thread.


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    The_Conductor
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    KyussB wrote: »
    Well ya, consider that e.g. farmers have an inherent interest in being able to continue emitting enormous amounts of greenhouse gasses (ones not as obvious as CO2), to maximize their profitability - and it goes a long way to explaining parts of this thread.

    Methane being the obvious one- however nitrates are increasingly an issue too.


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    #41
    Tea drinker
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    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Methane being the obvious one- however nitrates are increasingly an issue too.
    Are nitrates having a climate change effect or you mean the pollution?
    cheers


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    #42
    gozunda
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    Tea drinker wrote: »
    Are nitrates having a climate change effect or you mean the pollution?
    cheers

    I'd read between the lines there. Obviously not the farmers here flinging ****e around. The potshots are funny all the same :D

    This was the post where it was later inferred such opinions were driven by 'personal desires' - oh and hating women and children no less. I'm fairly sure the poster been castigated is not a farmer by any means.


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    #43
    The_Conductor
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    Tea drinker wrote: »
    Are nitrates having a climate change effect or you mean the pollution?
    cheers

    Alongside obvious issues (such as eutrophication of our waterways)- they can effect the native flora reducing biodiversity which in turn has an effect on fauna distribution. There are multiple other issues- such as the effects of nitrates in drinking water for example.


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    Pa ElGrande
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    KyussB wrote: »
    Well ya, consider that e.g. farmers have an inherent interest in being able to continue emitting enormous amounts of greenhouse gasses (ones not as obvious as CO2), to maximize their profitability - and it goes a long way to explaining parts of this thread.

    Farmers have embraced science to increase yields, boost productivity and feed the world and even then without the profit incentive much of the worlds population starves and the survivors have to revert to subsistence farming. Farmers are not immune to costs of production and market demand.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqfmm7DZpyg



    Norman Borlaug, Plant Scientist Who Fought Famine, Dies at 95
    Sept. 13, 2009
    Dr. Borlaug’s advances in plant breeding led to spectacular success in increasing food production in Latin America and Asia and brought him international acclaim. In 1970, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    He was widely described as the father of the broad agricultural movement called the Green Revolution, though decidedly reluctant to accept the title. “A miserable term,” he said, characteristically shrugging off any air of self-importance.

    Yet his work had a far-reaching impact on the lives of millions of people in developing countries. His breeding of high-yielding crop varieties helped to avert mass famines that were widely predicted in the 1960s, altering the course of history.
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    By the late 1940s, researchers knew they could induce huge yield gains in wheat by feeding the plants chemical fertilizer that supplied them with extra nitrogen, a shortage of which was the biggest constraint on plant growth. But the strategy had a severe limitation: beyond a certain level of fertilizer, the seed heads containing wheat grains would grow so large and heavy, the plant would fall over, ruining the crop.

    In 1953, Dr. Borlaug began working with a wheat strain containing an unusual gene. It had the effect of shrinking the wheat plant, creating a stubby, compact variety. Yet crucially, the seed heads did not shrink, meaning a small plant could still produce a large amount of wheat.

    source


    Your Grandparents Spent More Of Their Money On Food Than You Do


    Survey of family spending charts half century of consumer culture


    Global cereal production heading for a record high in 2019


    Our grandparents spent more of their income on food and clothing that we do in the present day, coincidentally CO2 improves yields and food producers profitability at lower cost to the consumer.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #45
    Pa ElGrande
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    KyussB wrote: »
    It's a pretty outlandish conspiracy theory, to claim that between 4-7+ million people around the world, were all astroturfing shills.

    It's the usual "accuse the other side of what you're guilty of, first" tactic.

    You are the person consistently pushing conspiracy theories on this thread.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #46
    KyussB
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    You are the person consistently pushing conspiracy theories on this thread.
    Actually oil oligarch funding of climate denialist propaganda is a conspiracy fact - not a conspiracy theory.

    One is a conspiracy that has mountains of evidence backing it - and the other, the idea that the school strikes involving 4-7+ million people were all an orchestrated conspiracy, has nothing backing it - hence it's just a farcical conspiracy theory.


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    #47
    Pa ElGrande
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    KyussB wrote: »
    Actually oil oligarch funding of climate denialist propaganda is a conspiracy fact - not a conspiracy theory.

    One is a conspiracy that has mountains of evidence backing it - and the other, the idea that the school strikes involving 4-7+ million people were all an orchestrated conspiracy, has nothing backing it - hence it's just a farcical conspiracy theory.

    Students who saw an opportunity to skip double maths and other lessons is a fact, not a grassroots movement and not a conspiracy. The campaign was orchestrated and culminated with the UN meeting in September

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #48
    Eric Cartman
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    KyussB wrote: »
    Actually oil oligarch funding of climate denialist propaganda is a conspiracy fact - not a conspiracy theory.

    One is a conspiracy that has mountains of evidence backing it - and the other, the idea that the school strikes involving 4-7+ million people were all an orchestrated conspiracy, has nothing backing it - hence it's just a farcical conspiracy theory.

    Theres as much evidence on both sides that its being funded by interest groups. it would be a mistake to believe either side is benign


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    #49
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Theres as much evidence on both sides that its being funded by interest groups. it would be a mistake to believe either side is benign

    A twist on the Donald Trump strategy of 'there's bad people on both sides'.

    Who do you think is funding the climate action need side?

    And critically? Why?


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    #50
    Eric Cartman
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    A twist on the Donald Trump strategy of 'there's bad people on both sides'.

    Who do you think is funding the climate action need side?

    And critically? Why?

    Groups that have interests in deploying socialist politics to countries and are using it as a vehicle
    manufacturers of wind turbines, solar panels and batteries,
    governments and plastics manufacturers trying to keep the blame off asia.
    Anti conservative thinktanks use it as a way to get in tax laws through the back doors that theyd traditionally just have the liberal parties do up front.


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    #51
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPn4928wKqQ


    Skip to 3 minutes 30 seconds in to see the reality of Gretas school strike.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    Paddygreen
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    KyussB wrote: »
    Well ya, consider that e.g. farmers have an inherent interest in being able to continue emitting enormous amounts of greenhouse gasses (ones not as obvious as CO2), to maximize their profitability - and it goes a long way to explaining parts of this thread.

    Time to purge the kulaks.. I couldn't agree more.


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    #53
    KyussB
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭KyussB


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Theres as much evidence on both sides that its being funded by interest groups. it would be a mistake to believe either side is benign
    'Interest groups' aren't automatically nefarious.

    There is ample documented evidence of the propaganda, deceit and corruption etc. from the fossil fuel interest groups - the particular ones cited most often in this thread, are perhaps the most corrupt network of think tanks on the entire planet - that's now nefarious they are.

    On Greta's end of things, the mere act of political lobbying in itself, is made out as equivalent to the above. As if nobody in the world should use political lobbying to defend their interests from oligarchs - that to do so is somehow an equivalent evil...


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    Eric Cartman
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    KyussB wrote: »
    'Interest groups' aren't automatically nefarious.

    There is ample documented evidence of the propaganda, deceit and corruption etc. from the fossil fuel interest groups - the particular ones cited most often in this thread, are perhaps the most corrupt network of think tanks on the entire planet - that's now nefarious they are.

    On Greta's end of things, the mere act of political lobbying in itself, is made out as equivalent to the above. As if nobody in the world should use political lobbying to defend themselves from oligarchs - that to do so is somehow an equivalent evil...

    well greta isnt corrupt but her and her backers are 2 for 3 on that list.

    you frame this as good vs evil when in reality its evil vs evil , its a battle between who wants my money, the green party or shell, and being honest right now Id rather shell have it.


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    #55
    KyussB
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    [noparse]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPn4928wKqQ
    [/noparse]

    Skip to 3 minutes 30 seconds in to see the reality of Gretas school strike.
    Rebel News, founded by an oil industry lobbyist, with a history of racism and broadcasting false information...

    Yet not a single person who is on the side of the debate, whose arguments benefit from this propaganda source, will give a toss - in fact will give more of a toss about arguing-against/dismissing the pointing out of obvious propaganda sources...


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    #56
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Skip to 3 minutes 30 seconds in to see the reality of Gretas school strike.

    Well, that video from a conservative individual who has been sued for libel resulting in fines, apologies and retraction of statements on at least 5 times has me convinced.


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    #57
    KyussB
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    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Time to purge the kulaks.. I couldn't agree more.
    Please don't quote my posts or reply to me - I don't want to be replying to your own.


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    i see that our two most fervent acolytes still dont read any further than the byline of any of the sources that they demand.

    some bucks!


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    #59
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Groups that have interests in deploying socialist politics to countries and are using it as a vehicle
    Evidence link please.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    manufacturers of wind turbines, solar panels and batteries,
    Notwithstanding that given their business interests, of course they can be expected to be in favour or reduced use of fossil fuels, can you give evidence of them backing Greta?
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    governments trying to keep the blame off asia.
    Evidence link please.

    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    plastics manufacturers trying to keep the blame off asia.
    .
    Evidence link please.
    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Anti conservative thinktanks use it as a way to get in tax laws through the back doors that theyd traditionally just have the liberal parties do up front.
    .
    Evidence link please.


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    #60
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    gozunda wrote: »
    Well thankfully you or I dont get to decide what can or cant be discussed on this or indeed any thread.

    And to that most pertinent bit - facts Perhaps you would be good enough to explain to the rest of us - where the OP above - in any of his five posts in this thread details he is 'motivated solely by personal desires' or as you inferred is just another poster who obviously hate females and children? No? Then thats no more than the usual bashing of those who you do not agree with. But what does show is that such daft broadside insults are puerile and certainly not facts, logic or even discussion

    The same OP who got banned from posting in the thread for posting something which led me to forming some of my opinions as to the motivations involved here is it?


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    #61
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Evidence link please.Notwithstanding that given their business interests, of course they can be expected to be in favour or reduced use of fossil fuels, can you give evidence of them backing Greta?
    Evidence link please.
    Evidence link please.
    Evidence link please.

    First - links to show proof of accusations thrown re. 'personal desires' and female and child hating in the previous post you castigated.

    Strange that does not seem to be forthcoming - yet the broadsides at those who you do not agree with continue no?

    And yet greta et al industry links pushing climate alarmism for their own purposes are evident. But yet little if any of that gets any recognition from ardent greta supporters. We are told there should be no criticism or discussion. Otherwise you are a 'hater' or a 'denier'

    Strange those discrepancies...

    Edit:
    Tell me how wrote: »
    The same OP who got banned from posting in the thread for posting something which led me to forming some of my opinions as to the motivations involved here is it?

    Is the poster you replied to yesterday banned? I dont think so.

    Again poster posted only yesterday and you inferred his posts amongst others demonstrated dislike / hated of females / children. Any proof of that no? Otherwise simply more broadside digs at those you dont agree with.


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