Mental health

weldoninhio · 10-09-2019 08:51AM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

SSRI's are bull**** though. They don't really work, take too long to work, or work only on certain people.

Things like benzos/sleeping pills work immediately.

We get it, you are benzo seeking. We got it from your last thread, and the one before that. Are you hoping for a PM from someone offering to sell you some?? Thats the only purpose I can see from your posts. :rolleyes:

Ted_YNWA · 10-09-2019 08:59AM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

SSRI's are bull**** though. They don't really work, take too long to work, or work only on certain people.

Things like benzos/sleeping pills work immediately.

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Please don't promote drug use or offer medical advise on boards.

This goes for everyone across the whole site.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-09-2019 12:43PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

SSRI's are bull**** though. They don't really work, take too long to work, or work only on certain people.

Things like benzos/sleeping pills work immediately.

Yup, popping a Xanax or whatever works immediately. Until you (very quickly) build up a tolerance. Then you need two, three, four... and before you know it, you can't leave the house without swallowing a handful.

I was on SSRIs in the past. They worked, but it took a while to find the right one for me.

stratowide · 10-09-2019 01:04PM

The bottom line usually boils down to one thing...money/profit.

The pharmaceutical companies are simply making too much of it to let it stop.
They make billions from cure all snake oil drugs.

From patients to doctors all the way up to CEO level.They all have a hand in the pyramid.

"Oh but doctor I need x,y or z drug..could you write a prescription for me..?

"Ok here you go.Come back in a week if it doesn't get any better".

Instead the doctor should should sort out their diet,exercise and drinking etc.
Give them a fighting chance at least.

But theres profit in that though.

Graces7 · 10-09-2019 01:15PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Yup, popping a Xanax or whatever works immediately. Until you (very quickly) build up a tolerance. Then you need two, three, four... and before you know it, you can't leave the house without swallowing a handful.

I was on SSRIs in the past. They worked, but it took a while to find the right one for me.

It was no t like that for me. I was on Valium years, same dosage every night . Never increased it. Never needed or wanted to. Nor did I take it during the day But getting off it was sheer hell...

As with codeine now; never take more than I need for pain , and often less than prescribed..maybe it is the attitude? Or that it is for very real pain and not any psych reason? Or thrills etc.

Graces7 · 10-09-2019 01:17PM

stratowide wrote: »

The bottom line usually boils down to one thing...money/profit.

The pharmaceutical companies are simply making too much of it to let it stop.
They make billions from cure all snake oil drugs.

From patients to doctors all the way up to CEO level.They all have a hand in the pyramid.

"Oh but doctor I need x,y or z drug..could you write a prescription for me..?

"Ok here you go.Come back in a week if it doesn't get any better".

Instead the doctor should should sort out their diet,exercise and drinking etc.
.

Surely that is my/our job not the doctor's? Unless obese etc when expert help may be needed. There is more than enough support and advice online etc and common sense? Just a thought

namastecork · 24-01-2020 05:41PM

Hi guys,

Hopefully this is the correct forum for my question - I want to get people's feedback on the massive growth of counselling and therapists workshops popping up in Ireland. My daughter (17) follows a girl on Instagram who has a mental health workshop and seems to have a very large following online. I have searched for this girl across IACP and other associations in Ireland yet cannot find her name anywhere!! She is charging anywhere from €25 - €55 per person for each workshop!

Now I have no problem with people becoming entrepreneurs but I'm sorry, not at the expense of young people's mental health! Am I wrong? Is there somewhere I can go to report this girl who is clearly making a lot of €'s but with nowhere to hold her accountable?

Stateofyou · 24-01-2020 07:31PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Does Ireland have better mental health than say the States? Many say so but I actually think its the opposite, there if you tell a doctor or therapist you have mental issues, they'll be quick to hand out medication along with brochures for therapy. Tell them your suicidal and you get involuntarily committed

Here, sadly in many cases you just get sent home even when presenting in A&E after a suicide attempt.

Why is it so bad here?

Aren't you a very young guy barely out of your teens? What would you know about mental health care in the US? What are your sources of information. Don't know how you're even claiming to be able to compare the two without experience or stated sources.

Graces7 · 25-01-2020 07:08AM

namastecork wrote: »

Hi guys,

Hopefully this is the correct forum for my question - I want to get people's feedback on the massive growth of counselling and therapists workshops popping up in Ireland. My daughter (17) follows a girl on Instagram who has a mental health workshop and seems to have a very large following online. I have searched for this girl across IACP and other associations in Ireland yet cannot find her name anywhere!! She is charging anywhere from €25 - €55 per person for each workshop!

Now I have no problem with people becoming entrepreneurs but I'm sorry, not at the expense of young people's mental health! Am I wrong? Is there somewhere I can go to report this girl who is clearly making a lot of €'s but with nowhere to hold her accountable?

That is scary. Maybe try Citizens Info ? Call them?

vriesmays · 25-01-2020 11:37AM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why is it so bad here?

Most doctors here think mental illness is a chemical disorder and are paid by the pharma companies to prescribe their pills. In other countries like Norway they consider mental illness as a disorder relating to the environment and have different treatment methods. Someone in this country who thinks outside the made-up diagnostic and statistical manual would get kicked out of med school before they qualified.

nigeldaniel · 25-01-2020 12:46PM

I have been in the Mental health system in Ireland for almost 8 years now as a result of a mood disorder. Including One 4 week stay at a psych ward. I decided to leave the system last Spring for my own reasons. Without doubts, they at the hospital and the care in the community teams do the best they can. Its a question of resources. Compared to the US or anywhere else it would be unfair as different systems and different ideas are applicable everywhere.

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 12:55PM

How is your own mental health OP?

What do you think it says about your personal need to be the centre of attention by starting threads all the time? I notice you rarely reply to other people’s threads.

Have you actually engaged with mental health services in Ireland? Do you need to?

I went to a GP when I was feeling down a few years ago. I burst into tears in her office and she immediately prescribed me antidepressants.

But they made me constipated, and after four months of constipation I decided I preferred the depression.

25-01-2020 12:59PM

KiKi III wrote: »

But they made me constipated, and after four months of constipation I decided I preferred the depression.

This is a side of the mental health crisis that we don't hear about..

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 01:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is a side of the mental health crisis that we don't hear about..

You’re welcome!

mr_fegelien · 25-01-2020 01:04PM

KiKi III wrote: »

How is your own mental health OP?

What do you think it says about your personal need to be the centre of attention by starting threads all the time? I notice you rarely reply to other people’s threads.

Have you actually engaged with mental health services in Ireland? Do you need to?

I went to a GP when I was feeling down a few years ago. I burst into tears in her office and she immediately prescribed me antidepressants.

But they made me constipated, and after four months of constipation I decided I preferred the depression.

Do you think I have a mental issue?

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 01:06PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Do you think I have a mental issue?

I think the way you participate in Boards is unusual and might be indicative of something, but it’s really something for you to think about.

vriesmays · 25-01-2020 01:13PM

KiKi III wrote: »

I went to a GP when I was feeling down a few years ago. I burst into tears in her office and she immediately prescribed me antidepressants.

She should have prescribed you exercise, change in diet and a social activity.

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 01:21PM

vriesmays wrote: »

She should have prescribed you exercise, change in diet and a social activity.

I think she should have prescribed me 12 sessions with a qualified therapist.

Your response is overly simplistic.

vriesmays · 25-01-2020 01:47PM

None of these medicines for mental ilness were created for mental illness. Prozac was originally for blood pressure problems. Ritalin came out decades before the ADHD got invented. Being prescribed medication when you tell your GP you're down is what's really simplistic.

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 01:57PM

vriesmays wrote: »

None of these medicines for mental ilness were created for mental illness. Prozac was originally for blood pressure problems. Ritalin came out decades before the ADHD got invented. Being prescribed medication when you tell your GP you're down is what's really simplistic.

I don’t disagree that GPs are too quick to prescribe.

That doesn’t alter the fact that eating more veg and going for a walk is not adequate for most people suffering from depression (although they may form a part of a wider set of treatments including therapy)

mr_fegelien · 25-01-2020 02:11PM

KiKi III wrote: »

I think the way you participate in Boards is unusual and might be indicative of something, but it’s really something for you to think about.

Why exactly? Not doubting you but what is unusual about it? What mental illness might it indicate?

btw, I'm not attention seeking with all these questions, I just have an interest in chatting to people as I have no one.

thisistough · 25-01-2020 02:22PM

vriesmays wrote: »

She should have prescribed you exercise, change in diet and a social activity.

We’re extremely quick to dismiss this attitude as overly simplistic

But maybe having a chat about the way we’re living life (diet, exercise, environment), and referring to a qualified therapist to see if there’s underlying issues to talk through would do more good than long term drug dependency.

But SSRIs, etc in the meantime to stop you offing yourself while getting to the root of the issue/getting out of the dark place surely shouldn’t be seen as a failure (we do seem to be moving further from this attitude)

We seem to think that only one stream of thought can be right at a time, but there may be a lifestyle component, an emotional component and a chemical component all contributing to our mental health. Why are we so quick to just throw drugs at the problem, just keep taking them and shut up about it, or sure you’ve been for counselling, that’s you sorted.

The human body’s much more complex than we understand, we should be using all the resources we have

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 02:23PM

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Why exactly? Not doubting you but what is unusual about it? What mental illness might it indicate?

btw, I'm not attention seeking with all these questions, I just have an interest in chatting to people as I have no one.

Do you not have any people in your life that you can talk to about stuff that’s on your mind? You seem to start a thread about almost any topic that enters your head. That’s unusual.

The attention-seeking theory is because you show little interest in other people’s threads. Why does your curiosity not extend to them?

25-01-2020 02:46PM

I think mr. fegelian should be applauded for his commitment to keeping boards interesting for the rest of us..

Raconteuse · 25-01-2020 02:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think mr. fegelian should be applauded for his commitment to keeping boards interesting for the rest of us..

Yeah I'm getting uncomfortable with the way some feel obliged to sneer at him and call him all sorts every time he starts a thread - even when the most innocuous of questions (I don't mean those who are offering him genuine advice). It is veering in the direction of cyber bullying/a ganging up bandwagon - something which I'd bet the same people would find awfully objectionable.

It's annoying if he asks for advice and ignores it but he's a young lad. His detractors are a lot older and should be more understanding. Your view of the world is naive when young, and curiosity is refreshing instead of thinking they know it all.

I find him articulate, extremely honest, and admire the way he keeps asking and ignores the by now default response of insulting him (really not nice - you don't have to ****ing read the thread, let alone respond, if he's so terrible; it's really not essential :rolleyes:) without insulting back.

25-01-2020 03:02PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yeah I'm getting uncomfortable with the way some feel obliged to sneer at him and call him all sorts every time he starts a thread - even when the most innocuous of questions (I don't mean those who are offering him genuine advice). It is veering in the direction of cyber bullying/a ganging up bandwagon - something which I'd bet the same people would find awfully objectionable.

It's annoying if he asks for advice and ignores it but he's a young lad. His detractors are a lot older and should be more understanding. Your view of the world is naive when young, and curiosity is refreshing instead of thinking they know it all.

I find him articulate, extremely honest, and admire the way he keeps asking and ignores the by now default response of insulting him (really not nice - you don't have to ****ing read the thread, let alone respond, if he's so terrible; it's really not essential :rolleyes:) without insulting back.

+1

fryup · 25-01-2020 03:06PM

KiKi III wrote: »

I went to a GP when I was feeling down a few years ago. I burst into tears in her office and she immediately prescribed me antidepressants.

But they made me constipated, and after four months of constipation I decided I preferred the depression.

constipated? never heard that before.... sleepnessess, lack of appetite, nausea yes....but constipation??

which AD was it?

Mrs OBumble · 25-01-2020 03:29PM

vriesmays wrote: »

None of these medicines for mental ilness were created for mental illness. Prozac was originally for blood pressure problems. Ritalin came out decades before the ADHD got invented. Being prescribed medication when you tell your GP you're down is what's really simplistic.

Irrelevant. They're now proven to work for mental illnesses.

People who want chats about exercise, diet and lifestyles go to life coaches. People who want exercise go to physios. People who want medical intervention go to doctors . People who want to talk go to therapists.

Smart people go to whatever mix suits them, and don't wait for cross referral.

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 03:30PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yeah I'm getting uncomfortable with the way some feel obliged to sneer at him and call him all sorts every time he starts a thread - even when the most innocuous of questions (I don't mean those who are offering him genuine advice). It is veering in the direction of cyber bullying/a ganging up bandwagon - something which I'd bet the same people would find awfully objectionable.

It's annoying if he asks for advice and ignores it but he's a young lad. His detractors are a lot older and should be more understanding. Your view of the world is naive when young, and curiosity is refreshing instead of thinking they know it all.

I find him articulate, extremely honest, and admire the way he keeps asking and ignores the by now default response of insulting him (really not nice - you don't have to ****ing read the thread, let alone respond, if he's so terrible; it's really not essential :rolleyes:) without insulting back.

There’s a few things I find a little frustrating about Mr F’s threads. One is the sheer volume (and I don’t know if it’s one of his until after I click in because I mostly log on from my phone).

Especially when he doesn’t give his own opinion or context which happens frequently.

Another is what I perceive as the lack of give and take. If he was actively participating in lots of other threads too that would be one thing, but as he generally isn’t it seems kind of... selfish? Maybe that’s not the right word.

But it does seem like he’s only interested in conversations started by him.

vriesmays · 25-01-2020 03:45PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Irrelevant. They're now proven to work for mental illnesses.

They're also proven to not work for mental illness and cause other types. Prescribing medicines not invented for these illnesses shows how non-scientific the mental health industry is. No-one is cured from taking these drugs; they just relieve the symptoms.

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