The real problem with Housing in Ireland

Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »

Why come here if life is ****e here?

So exploiting the tax paying, no voice foreign low waged is ok. Cosy along.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if even 10% ended up that way in my lifetime id be shocked.

All those doctors and highly qualified engineers will be fine.

Patrick2010 wrote: »

They’ll go into private accommodation rented by the state, where else would they go?, everyone knows this.
The idea that there is no connection between housing asylum seekers/economic migrants and the supply of houses available to locals is ridiculous.
50 more Syrians just arrived yesterday to be housed here, are they all just going to find jobs and house themselves?
The only unsafe are in Libya is Idlib, surely they could find a safe area somewhere else in Libya

You say, 'private accommodation rented by the state'; - so really these unfortunate people are going to be used like cattle by this (money insane) Irish State (FG,FF,Lab).to pay the mortgages of the Private Investors' Profit, extra houses.
i.e. the State ensuring the buying of extra houses for their Millionaire pals.

btw at the very first post (about 21 Aungier St.);- who owns the Lease that Dublin Corporation are paying E200k per year to?

And I would bet Mehaill Martin already has his airline ticket over to Christine Lagarde to drown over more billions to here.

padd b1975 wrote: »

All those doctors and highly qualified engineers will be fine.

frightening though,- when the, (Contract based?) foreign doctors and Consultants, take their que from the in-situ HSE F.F. consultants, when dealing with non-f.f. voters.

and how even Contract doctors even assimilate the nod from HSE (s.f.?/f.f.?/pbp?) Local, unionised cleaners.

But these contract Professionals in the HSE, may pay high rents to the Housing Investors who are the pals of the Government. And maybe they reckon they will only be in this country for c. 10 years or so.

Sweet.Science wrote:

Look at them out celebrating their recent qualifications . Good on them

Tis a very competitive market out there, their aggression might help them, they're just getting practice in!

Deleted User wrote: »

I doubt that the Spanish cleaner is an asylum seeker. And I’m sure that the Unions look after the hospital workers.

They are probably contractors without unions. Not really the point though.

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Look at them out celebrating their recent qualifications . Good on them

https://m.facebook.com/onlyindublin/videos/1267970866725997/?refsrc=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com%2Fonlyindublin%2Fvideos%2F1267970866725997%2F&_rdr

Nigs gonna nig

Mod

Banned.

Well we've made another undesirable "top" list, that of unaffordable housing. The piece is about NZ but links to the report. We're about 5th in the list.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/20/all-sectors-of-new-zealand-housing-market-severely-unaffordable-survey

Singapore is mentioned as a model for affordable housing and their solution is largely public and views housing differently. Given their approach that would leave our housing fully under the control of an LA set-up, not an appealing thought.


http://theconversation.com/a-century-of-public-housing-lessons-from-singapore-where-housing-is-a-social-not-financial-asset-121141

Take Singapore, for example. Singapore had its own “Brexit” in 1965 when it separated from Malaysia. In 1960 the Singapore Housing and Development Board (HDB) was formed to provide affordable and high-quality housing for residents of this tiny city-state nation. Today, more than 80% of Singapore’s 5.4m residents live in housing provided by the development board.

The problem in ireland is that private parties are too easily able to stop development of not only housing, but also public transportation and bike infrastructure.

You can plan a great metro line, but if Karen complains that the metro will make too much noise, it won't be built. You can plan a beautiful appartment block with affordable housing, but if Karen complains that it blocks the view from her single story cottage, it's not going to be built. You can plan great bike roads throughout all of dublin, but if Karen doesn't want the nice trees to be cut down it's not going to be built. Etc.

The procedures for cpos, railway orders etc. need to be legally changed so that the power of private parties can never outweigh the importance for the public as a whole.

This will not only solve Dublin's housing crisis, but also the mess that is public transportation in dublin.

It's generally death by a thousand Karens though. Especially when they start getting TDs and councillors involved and you have elected represents spouting bull**** on their Twitter feeds about how BusConnects is going to destroy all the trees etc. (case in point https://twitter.com/deirdreconroyie?lang=en . Funnily enough, they changed the designs to save the trees and suddenly it was no longer about the trees). Or the likes of Clare Daly speaking out both sides of her mouth, decrying the incumbent's record on housing provision and the homeless while at the same time being one of the most prolific objectors to planning applications for housing.

Stark wrote: »

It's generally death by a thousand Karens though. Especially when they start getting TDs and councillors involved and you have elected represents spouting bull**** on their Twitter feeds about how BusConnects is going to destroy all the trees etc. (case in point https://twitter.com/deirdreconroyie?lang=en . Funnily enough, they changed the designs to save the trees and suddenly it was no longer about the trees). Or the likes of Clare Daly speaking out both sides of her mouth, decrying the incumbent's record on housing provision and the homeless while at the same time being one of the most prolific objectors to planning applications for housing.

This is why district-based voting systems (sadly a legacy from the Brits) are so bad. All the TDs care about is getting votes from their own constituency and they completely lose the bigger picture.

In my country the Netherlands, decisions such as public transportation are determined on a provincial level and for national networks even the national level, so we don't have nearly as many issues with Karens not wanting a train line in their backyard.

Why is Dublin even divided in various councils? There should be one council Dublin that decides everything in all of County Dublin. The reality is that the majority of council Dublin is now dublin city, not only the city center proper. I mean I suppose that the tiny villages on the very outskirts (like Rush and the like) can still remain their own council. But once a village is absorbed by Dublin it should become part of this Dublin city council.

Yurt! wrote: »

You're misrepresenting the Singapore model big-time there. It is nothing at all like the Local Authority model in Ireland. It's probably the most successful state-led, private ownership (well, 100 year-lease) system in the world. It underpins the country's social cohesion and is the only reason that Singaporeans can afford to live in their own country comfortably. For an example of a territory that got it wrong and didn't follow Singapore's lead, Hong Kong is an absolute disaster (free market model with property baron billionaires abounding), it's part of the reason HK is in meltdown at the moment.

It's in the article, which you clearly didn't bother to read. I merely presented it for discussion and some people can't help but wade in flailing! Thank you for sharing!

The IT has a few pieces on housing today, including an editorial. They also have this 12 point proposal. Better than any manifesto IMO. Very much a case of a little done but an awful lot more to do.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/housing-is-ireland-s-biggest-economic-and-social-emergency-can-we-fix-it-1.4149261

I say this as I am currently renting in Galway.
I have to commute from oranmore which is fine. However if the LL decides to sell which could happen im always keeping an eye open on what’s available...
Currently I pay 950 a month for a 2 bed.
If I search for places at a max of 1200 both in the city and. Surrounding areas totals to around 8 options most of which are basement/garage studios and those which are not you wouldn’t dare step a foot in never mind living in it.
Now if I check air bnb and look at the amount stock in galway and surrounding areas I have hundreds of viable options

Now I’m not ranting directly at Airbnb...it’s the failings of our government to react to dealing with this disruption. Be it a tarriff or an added tax something that would make an owner weigh things up and not make it so straightforward to just go down the air bnb route
To say that simply adding thousands of houses will solve the issue is as backwards as they come