Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

mrjoneill · 16-01-2020 02:04PM

White lighting wrote: »

Hes appealing the conviction and not the sentence so cant get it increased. he is more than entitled to appeal it too. I am surprised it took so long to be honest. Was very surprised he was found guilty in the first place.

Your entitled to your opinion like I will express mine.
I think he was a little smart ass that thought he was far too smart for the rest of us mortals. He led another kid to her death knowing full well what was in store for her or a serious sexual assault. I have already outlined in previous post why I feel he did the crime, he should now do the time.

B.A._Baracus · 17-01-2020 04:32PM

Boy B to appeal conviction for murder of Ana Kriegel

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/boy-b-to-appeal-conviction-for-murder-of-ana-kriegel/ar-BBZ3XJf?ocid=spartanntp

Been reading up more about this case since I read that. Those boys... my god. Burn them.

punisher5112 · 17-01-2020 05:52PM

Absolute physcopaths....

suicide_circus · 17-01-2020 05:54PM

unless he has some unknown ace up his sleeve he hasnt a snowballs chance in hell.

punisher5112 · 17-01-2020 06:06PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

unless he has some unknown ace up his sleeve he hasnt a snowballs chance in hell.

Well I certainly hope not.

I get people fight and boys especially throw punches etc but this is pure evil what they done.

Nuts to think 2 13 year olds could even think let alone actually take action of these thoughts.

bazermc · 17-01-2020 06:37PM

So can we take it that Boy A will not be appealing now?

tuxy · 17-01-2020 06:41PM

bazermc wrote: »

So can we take it that Boy A will not be appealing now?

There is forensic evidence linking him the crime. His only hope was that the Garda or prosecution made a big mistake and it would appear they did not.

punisher5112 · 17-01-2020 06:54PM

tuxy wrote: »

There is forensic evidence linking him the crime. His only hope was that the Garda or prosecution made a big mistake and it would appear they did not.

Which is amazing as unfortunately they can be quite sloppy to be honest.

You need people that actually do their job and do it well.

Caquas · 18-01-2020 07:17PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Which is amazing as unfortunately they can be quite sloppy to be honest.

You need people that actually do their job and do it well.

In fairness, the Gardai seemed to do an outstanding job on this case.

It would have been easy for them to use forensics to convict Boy A but they saw that Boy B was up to his neck in this horrible crime and they put the case together despite Boy B’s endless lying.

No wonder his father called the Gardai “scumbags” - he thought his son could lie his way out of it. :rolleyes:

mrjoneill · 19-01-2020 12:44PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

Well I certainly hope not.

I get people fight and boys especially throw punches etc but this is pure evil what they done.

Nuts to think 2 13 year olds could even think let alone actually take action of these thoughts.

It causes me a lot of bother & cant get my head around it. When I see 13yr old boys I immediately think could they be capable of such. To do such is the territory of twisted hardened criminals

Caquas · 20-01-2020 08:41PM

mrjoneill wrote: »

It causes me a lot of bother & cant get my head around it. When I see 13yr old boys I immediately think could they be capable of such. To do such is the territory of twisted hardened criminals

Or of teenage satanists. The media won’t lift that rock despite the evidence presented in court.

Sardonicat · 20-01-2020 08:43PM

Caquas wrote: »

Or of teenage satanists. The media won’t lift that rock despite the evidence presented in court.

What evidence? Are you suggesting there was other evidence presented that wasn't reported or are you putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5?

Bobtheman · 20-01-2020 08:46PM

My heart goes out to her parents. My heart goes out to the two young boys who will live with this case. Their parents. Their sentences

We can talk about what needs to be done etc
But there is a darkness within human beings. That spills out even in civilised society.
You are better off not trying to figure it out.
It's just there.
This will happen again. It's rare thank God
If only we got so outraged over child poverty

Bobtheman · 20-01-2020 08:50PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

What evidence? Are you suggesting there was other evidence presented that wasn't reported or are you putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5?

Kids are often attracted to the demonic because of the bull**** they are peddled by society. If only we would seriously cherish children. Connaught rugby club got 20 million. A pilot scheme to give deprived kids free books for school got 1m
If you vote FF or FG that's what you approve

Sardonicat · 20-01-2020 08:59PM

Bobtheman wrote: »

Kids are often attracted to the demonic because of the bull**** they are peddled by society. If only we would seriously cherish children. Connaught rugby club got 20 million. A pilot scheme to give deprived kids free books for school got 1m
If you vote FF or FG that's what you approve

I'm asking what evidence was presented in court to support that claim

Caquas · 20-01-2020 09:07PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

What evidence? Are you suggesting there was other evidence presented that wasn't reported or are you putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5?

No, I’m referring to this:

A COPYBOOK containing a drawing entitled "satanic pledge" and a list of "rules" for a homework club was found by gardai in the home of a boy accused of murdering Ana Kriegel, a trial heard.
Detective Garda Donal Daly gave evidence this morning the copybook was seized by gardai after they searched Boy B's home.

Gda Daly said the copybook contained a list of names, including Boy A and Boy B's names, as well as a list of rules.

The rules included "no talking about Jesus or God, only Satan", the court heard.

http://https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-book-containing-satanic-pledge-found-in-room-of-boy-b-38160752.html

Not surprised that you didn’t know. When the trial was over, our media was filled with useless handwringing about this appalling murder but only the British media took notice of the sole piece of evidence pointing to motive.

Sardonicat · 20-01-2020 09:09PM

Caquas wrote: »

No, I’m referring to this:

http://https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/ana-kriegel-murder-trial-book-containing-satanic-pledge-found-in-room-of-boy-b-38160752.html

When the trial was over, our media was filled with useless handwringing about this appalling murder analysis but only the British media took notice of the only piece of evidence pointing to motive.

Oh for God's sake. I used to draw swastikas all over everything. I was never and never will be a Nazi, fascist, white supremacist or racist. The opposite in fact.

pearcider · 20-01-2020 09:32PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Oh for God's sake. I used to draw swastikas all over everything. I was never and never will be a Nazi, fascist, white supremacist or racist. The opposite in fact.

The obvious difference being you didn’t brutally murder someone. A satanic pledge doesn’t sound like normal teenage behaviour to me. Colour me surprised the media glossed over the fact.

volchitsa · 20-01-2020 10:52PM

pearcider wrote: »

The obvious difference being you didn’t brutally murder someone. A satanic pledge doesn’t sound like normal teenage behaviour to me. Colour me surprised the media glossed over the fact.

That makes no sense, you're basically just retrofitting something that you agree is meaningless in itself to make it into an explanation.

tuxy · 20-01-2020 10:54PM

Lots of kids take interest in the occult and satanic symbolism because they think it's edgy but soon grow out of it.

TheValeyard · 20-01-2020 10:58PM

tuxy wrote: »

Lots of kids take interest in the occult and satanic symbolism because they think it's edgy but soon grow out of it.

Well, there are a lot of sharp edges on pentagrams.

pearcider · 21-01-2020 12:06AM

volchitsa wrote: »

That makes no sense, you're basically just retrofitting something that you agree is meaningless in itself to make it into an explanation.

Uh what it’s your reply that makes no sense. I’m not retrofitting anything. I simply pointing out that sardonicat drawing Nazi symbols in his copy book is in no way comparable to sadistic murderers taking satanic pledges.

pearcider · 21-01-2020 12:08AM

tuxy wrote: »

Lots of kids take interest in the occult and satanic symbolism because they think it's edgy but soon grow out of it.

True but by the same logic lots of kids don’t go on to be sadistic murderers. I would say lots of kids mess around with ouija boards but taking satanic pledges is definitely not normal teenage behaviour.

volchitsa · 21-01-2020 10:23AM

pearcider wrote: »

Uh what it’s your reply that makes no sense. I’m not retrofitting anything. I simply pointing out that sardonicat drawing Nazi symbols in his copy book is in no way comparable to sadistic murderers taking satanic pledges.

No, you're giving an opinion, not stating a fact. They may well have had dyed hair as well, lots of troubled teens do - so would that mean that hair dying is an explanation for their actions, or would it be just another symptom of their feelings of marginalisation from "normal" society? Correlation is not causation.

What I mean by retrofitting is that you're picking up on a symptom that lots of teens demonstrate, you're dismissing it as significant for that vast majority of them because they haven't committed a crime, but for the two who have committed a crime, you're investing the same symptom with huge significance and you can't explain why. Except by the circular logic that they have committed a crime.

Fr_Dougal · 21-01-2020 10:27AM

Bobtheman wrote: »

My heart goes out to her parents. My heart goes out to the two young boys who will live with this case. Their parents. Their sentences

We can talk about what needs to be done etc
But there is a darkness within human beings. That spills out even in civilised society.
You are better off not trying to figure it out.
It's just there.
This will happen again. It's rare thank God
If only we got so outraged over child poverty

Jesus. I wonder if your heart would go out so quickly to those two scumbags if Ana was your child.

lozenges · 21-01-2020 10:36AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Jesus. I wonder if your heart would go out so quickly to those two scumbags if Ana was your child.

Yup. In a case like this I think the fact that the pair of them were from normal middle-class families, with no previous issues should actually be considered an aggravating factor instead of a mitigating one.

It wouldn't excuse it, but with children who have experienced neglect and abuse from a young age you can understand how they might see violence as normal, lash out and lack a sense of right and wrong. These two have done what they did while living a comfortable life with apparently loving families.

pearcider · 21-01-2020 11:03AM

volchitsa wrote: »

No, you're giving an opinion, not stating a fact. They may well have had dyed hair as well, lots of troubled teens do - so would that mean that hair dying is an explanation for their actions, or would it be just another symptom of their feelings of marginalisation from "normal" society? Correlation is not causation.

What I mean by retrofitting is that you're picking up on a symptom that lots of teens demonstrate, you're dismissing it as significant for that vast majority of them because they haven't committed a crime, but for the two who have committed a crime, you're investing the same symptom with huge significance and you can't explain why. Except by the circular logic that they have committed a crime.

Absolute rubbish. A satanic pledge is a lot more likely to lead to anti social or indeed sadistic behavior than dying your hair. You might want to read up on the Marquis of Sade where the word sadism comes from. Sadism is intimately related to the occult and to bizarre and deviant sexual behavior.

ohnonotgmail · 21-01-2020 11:16AM

pearcider wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. A satanic pledge is a lot more likely to lead to anti social or indeed sadistic behavior than dying your hair. You might want to read up on the Marquis of Sade where the word sadism comes from. Sadism is intimately related to the occult and to bizarre and deviant sexual behavior.

I would be pretty sure the two boys in question would have no idea who the Marquis De Sade was. and sadism is not inherently related to the occult. One mans deviant is anothers vanilla.

pearcider · 21-01-2020 11:20AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I would be pretty sure the two boys in question would have no idea who the Marquis De Sade was. and sadism is not inherently related to the occult. One mans deviant is anothers vanilla.

I hope you never have kids.

ohnonotgmail · 21-01-2020 11:21AM

pearcider wrote: »

I hope you never have kids.

apologies for responding to your uninformed blather with facts.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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