Ionity charging network

redcup342 · 16-01-2020 10:30PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

So... maingau card, right? Can just keep using that at 40c/kWh.

Yep, was only a matter of time until Ionity brought it in.

Maingau should continue like before though :pac: been that way in NL for years with Fastned, EnBW and others.

But it's a no brainer, EnBW Charger in NL is like 79c/kWh and Maingau it's only 35c/kWh ... more than half price.

Ionity are not counting on anyone paying that price directly at the charger, you'll get better deals via different suppliers.

zg3409 wrote: »

Tesla cars are (were) highest Ionity users

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/9751/IONITY-confirms-new-charging-pricing-for-EVs?fbclid=IwAR1CIEZJCNIHDABywxwezNIQKoi9-W3ol6irp6DclsE-oKkwEHS1xdYh4xM

Yeah that was annoying, could they not f*ck off and use their superchargers.

Oh well, at least this way all the stalls won't be full with tight tesla owners :P

markpb · 16-01-2020 10:39PM

redcup342 wrote: »

Oh well, at least this way all the stalls won't be full with tight tesla owners :P

Except for Athlone and Gorey. Not much sign of a Tesla SuC network around there!

Sabre Man · 17-01-2020 12:14AM

markpb wrote: »

Except for Athlone and Gorey. Not much sign of a Tesla SuC network around there!

There will be more superchargers. In the meantime Teslas can use Birdhill.

Nedved85 · 17-01-2020 12:44AM

redcup342 wrote: »

Yep, was only a matter of time until Ionity brought it in.

Maingau should continue like before though :pac: been that way in NL for years with Fastned, EnBW and others.

But it's a no brainer, EnBW Charger in NL is like 79c/kWh and Maingau it's only 35c/kWh ... more than half price.

Ionity are not counting on anyone paying that price directly at the charger, you'll get better deals via different suppliers.

Yeah that was annoying, could they not f*ck off and use their superchargers.

Oh well, at least this way all the stalls won't be full with tight tesla owners :P

I don’t have a ccs car at the moment, will do later this year I’d say, should I just get this maingau card now?

Marlow · 17-01-2020 01:00AM

unkel wrote: »

I've no problem with 79c/kWh but you'd think they'd have their house in order first and made sure all charging is flawless.

I don't know. An average charge session on the Ionity chargers (looking at plugshare stats) is 50 kWh. So the price goes from 8 EUR to 40 EUR per charge (estimated)

You might as well drive a large engine V8 for that money.

/M

Lumen · 17-01-2020 05:13AM

Sabre Man wrote: »

There will be more superchargers. In the meantime Teslas can use Birdhill.

Not exactly handy for the Dublin Wexford run!

Also, the pace of supercharger rollout is pitiful, and "coming soon" is meaningless.

Dont be at yourself · 17-01-2020 09:10AM

I’m in favour of this — happy to pay a premium for fast charging if it means a more available and reliable network.

Most of my charging is done at home — when I’m driving long-distance, my priorities in order are:

- availability
- speed
- price

Black_Knight · 17-01-2020 09:41AM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

I’m in favour of this — happy to pay a premium for fast charging if it means a more available and reliable network.

Most of my charging is done at home — when I’m driving long-distance, my priorities in order are:

- availability
- speed
- price

Speed is great and all, but when your car is limited well below the speed they're offering it's a bit of a stinger. I assume this is in response to the number of Teslas, capable of attaining those faster charging rates, using Ionity (as someone mentioned earlier)

redcup342 · 17-01-2020 09:41AM

Nedved85 wrote: »

I don’t have a ccs car at the moment, will do later this year I’d say, should I just get this maingau card now?

I would do anyways, would be handy to have the App/Keyfob for when you get your CCS enabled motor

September1 · 17-01-2020 09:46AM

Black_Knight wrote: »

Speed is great and all, but when your car is limited well below the speed they're offering it's a bit of a stinger. I assume this is in response to the number of Teslas, capable of attaining those faster charging rates, using Ionity (as someone mentioned earlier)

Maybe that is a point, higher rates for Tesla's and lower one for customers of companies that invested in Ionity. I wonder if this rate is high enough to make Ionity cover their costs of providing service.

ELM327 · 17-01-2020 09:48AM

I just signed up for Maingau there, and verified my email,
How do I access the stuff or get my card sent etc? It just said thanks for registering and verifying your email.

unkel · 17-01-2020 10:02AM

ELM327 wrote: »

I just signed up for Maingau there, and verified my email,
How do I access the stuff or get my card sent etc? It just said thanks for registering and verifying your email.

You have to update your profile to setup your Irish address. This is quite buggy, expect it to fail (multiple times). When ever it does, contact their tech support. They will eventually sort you out. Once the address is there, you should get your card in the post within a week or so

Nedved85 · 17-01-2020 10:19AM

unkel wrote: »

You have to update your profile to setup your Irish address. This is quite buggy, expect it to fail (multiple times). When ever it does, contact their tech support. They will eventually sort you out. Once the address is there, you should get your card in the post within a week or so

I registered via their website (not using the app)

Was able to put in my irish address, eircode etc.

Can buy the card here - https://shop.maingau-energie.de/e-mobilitaet/einfachstromladen-rfid-ladechip

I might hold off on getting the card until I have a car that can use it

ELM327 · 17-01-2020 10:28AM

unkel wrote: »

You have to update your profile to setup your Irish address. This is quite buggy, expect it to fail (multiple times). When ever it does, contact their tech support. They will eventually sort you out. Once the address is there, you should get your card in the post within a week or so

In the end - Worked first time for me with Irish credentials!
Guess speaking German may help?

liamog · 17-01-2020 10:39AM

https://twitter.com/emobly/status/1218080350720741376

I expect Hyundai/Kia to announce a charging service soon.

ELM327 · 17-01-2020 10:41AM

So VW get €8.40 per charge session!

Silent Running · 17-01-2020 10:47AM

I know this is gonna be unpopular here, but Teslas should be barred from other providers until Tesla shares use of their superchargers with other marques.

Just trying to be fair. Why should one charger network be able to bar all other cars from it's network?

Nedved85 · 17-01-2020 10:48AM

Silent Running wrote: »

I know this is gonna be unpopular here, but Teslas should be barred from other providers until Tesla shares use of their superchargers with other marques.

Just trying to be fair. Why should one charger network be able to bar all other cars from it's network?

Did they not say they'd welcome other companies to use their superchargers if they were approached?

ELM327 · 17-01-2020 10:50AM

Silent Running wrote: »

I know this is gonna be unpopular here, but Teslas should be barred from other providers until Tesla shares use of their superchargers with other marques.

Just trying to be fair. Why should one charger network be able to bar all other cars from it's network?

Because they own it, and the owners have paid for it.

It's a USP of Tesla, and unlikely to become open source

Nedved85 wrote: »

Did they not say they'd welcome other companies to use their superchargers if they were approached?

Yes but the OEMs would need to pay for access, and there would be a patent exchange required.

liamog · 17-01-2020 10:59AM

Tesla should just charge 79c/kWh for non-teslas.
Then we have an equitable solution.

Silent Running · 17-01-2020 11:00AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Because they own it, and the owners have paid for it.

It's a USP of Tesla, and unlikely to become open source

Yes but the OEMs would need to pay for access, and there would be a patent exchange required.

Why do your points only apply to the supercharger network though?

The companies involved in Ionity didn't get it for free, they paid for it too. If they used the Tesla mindset, they'd only allow access for paying partners. Tesla could, of course, pay for access. Do they?

liamog · 17-01-2020 11:02AM

ELM327 wrote: »

So VW get €8.40 per charge session!

I suspect that will change before the ID.3 is released, right now, it's only the e-Up and e-Golf. The latest e-Golf and e-Up have about 32kWh available, so €8.40 probably isn't too far away from 33c/kWh, if you take an 80% charge.

unkel · 17-01-2020 11:15AM

ELM327 wrote: »

In the end - Worked first time for me with Irish credentials!
Guess speaking German may help?

Maybe they've fixed their problems! Got mine sometime last year, quite a while ago.

You speak German?

ELM327 · 17-01-2020 11:21AM

liamog wrote: »

Tesla should just charge 79c/kWh for non-teslas.
Then we have an equitable solution.

Agreed.

Silent Running wrote: »

Why do your points only apply to the supercharger network though?

The companies involved in Ionity didn't get it for free, they paid for it too. If they used the Tesla mindset, they'd only allow access for paying partners. Tesla could, of course, pay for access. Do they?

When you bought an E-Golf for instance, was "ionity access" listed on your invoice>
Iit's not the same thing.

unkel wrote: »

Maybe they've fixed their problems! Got mine sometime last year, quite a while ago.

You speak German?

Jawohl, german on my mother's side. Not fluent anymore due to lack of use but more than enough to get by (and register cards online!)

Silent Running · 17-01-2020 11:34AM

liamog wrote: »

Tesla should just charge 79c/kWh for non-teslas.
Then we have an equitable solution.

Fine, as long as you can also access through Chargepoint, Shell, Maingau etc at lower rates.

ELM327 wrote: »

When you bought an E-Golf for instance, was "ionity access" listed on your invoice>
Iit's not the same thing.

Audi are selling cars with access to Ionity at reduced rates.

VW are selling cars with access to Ionity as a selling point, even offering free Ionity charging for a year.

It's exactly the same thing.

liamog · 17-01-2020 11:37AM

ELM327 wrote: »

When you bought an E-Golf for instance, was "ionity access" listed on your invoice>
Iit's not the same thing.

The way I see it, Tesla add a number to the purchase price of the car. Let's say approx €1,000 to fund the supercharger access. Other manufacturers are instead providing a monthly service fee.

If each manufacturer sells 100,000 cars.
100% of Tesla's pay €1,000 for Supercharging, so €100,000,000 for their network.
For Audi, if they sign up 50% of their cars to a €20/month service, over 10 years each car pays €2,400 and gives them €120,000,000 for their network. There are pros/cons of each approach, but it's a pretty similar model.

innrain · 17-01-2020 11:50AM

I wonder if Circle K would have a pricing for Ionity charging as well.

Silent Running · 17-01-2020 11:57AM

liamog wrote: »

The way I see it, Tesla add a number to the purchase price of the car. Let's say approx €1,000 to fund the supercharger access. Other manufacturers are instead providing a monthly service fee.

If each manufacturer sells 100,000 cars.
100% of Tesla's pay €1,000 for Supercharging, so €100,000,000 for their network.
For Audi, if they sign up 50% of their cars to a €20/month service, over 10 years each car pays €2,400 and gives them €120,000,000 for their network. There are pros/cons of each approach, but it's a pretty similar model.

The only real difference is that Teslas can use all other networks whereas no other marque can use the Tesla network.

To quote Pink Floyd "share it fairly, but don't take a slice of my pie"

Black_Knight · 17-01-2020 12:30PM

liamog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/emobly/status/1218080350720741376

I expect Hyundai/Kia to announce a charging service soon.

How is that going to be applied though? Does the handshake with the car use the VIN to identify the manufacturer?

liamog · 17-01-2020 12:34PM

Black_Knight wrote: »

How is that going to be applied though? Does the handshake with the car use the VIN to identify the manufacturer?

Eventually yes, but for now it's exactly like using the Maingau card. You use whatever card comes from your manufacturer linked charging service.

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