How to stop teenagers getting involved in crime

16-01-2020 11:31AM #1

Just listing to an interview about this.

School are very good more or less there is a lot of support available.

We have low unemployment certainly in the areas where the big Drug gangs are active.

Is there a big cultural shift going on regarding crime? very hard to captuer that.

Shanotheslayer · 16-01-2020 11:35AM

Don't buy them scramblers.

That's always the first sign

16-01-2020 11:39AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Don't buy them scramblers.

That's always the first sign

Not always, now its the doing well in school, no issues, intelligent types that are getting involved as well as then no-hopers, that is a big change in society.

TwoMonthsOff · 16-01-2020 11:39AM

Stop older criminals grooming them like paedophiles.

Mrs OBumble · 16-01-2020 11:44AM

Curfews

Stevieluvsye · 16-01-2020 11:46AM

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

Stop older criminals grooming them like paedophiles.

London's Met target this with the rise in knife crime. Numbers have reduced since they brought it in to specific area's

Edgware · 16-01-2020 11:46AM

Well giving them cautions, suspended sentences community service doesn't seem to work for a certain group.
Any young lad can act the bollix with a few cans on board but when it moves to real criminality more severe measures should apply

Deebles McBeebles · 16-01-2020 11:47AM

Effective parenting?

Fr_Dougal · 16-01-2020 11:50AM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Effective parenting?

That’s pretty much it.

D3V!L · 16-01-2020 11:52AM

Conscription, it'll put manners on them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-01-2020 11:54AM

Tell me, have any of you asked the question as to why teenagers are getting into crime in the first place?

_Brian · 16-01-2020 11:55AM

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Effective parenting?

Consistently parenting from a young age
Parents behaving as they would see their kids grow up, working hard and respecting the law
Parents holding kids to account when they play up at home or put amd about.

Parents being parents and not trying to be some sort of older cool friend to their kids.

Getting kids involved in positive activities and parents joining them by supporting clubs and going along to events. Volunteering time to help out at the club where your kid goes.

Keeping an interest in their friends and if needed steering them away from the wrong sorts

16-01-2020 11:56AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Tell me, have any of you asked the question as to why teenagers are getting into crime in the first place?

That is the big question.

washman3 · 16-01-2020 12:00PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Tell me, have any of you asked the question as to why teenagers are getting into crime in the first place?

They see their peers get away scot-free with it.!!

Monkey see--Monkey do

RoryMac · 16-01-2020 12:02PM

More emphasis should be put on creating apprenticeships as a way into employment. There are large numbers of kids especially boys that get nothing out of school & college. I believe Germany have a much wider range of apprenticeships available to offer these kids a different path into jobs.

Won't solve the issue but might help some kids that struggle in school see a future without having to do 3 or 4 years in college.

16-01-2020 12:06PM

The big problem is in the past those who didn't fit in or has nefarious tendencies had limited ways of acting out, vandalism, joyriding, burglary and was unlikely to get themselves killed in gruesome ways and might have grown out of it.

KevRossi · 16-01-2020 12:07PM

The young lad murdered and chopped up in Drogheda is an outlier. Bigger issues are the number of scumbag kids from good and bad areas vandalizing the place, throwing their weight around and threatening and intimidating people.

They do it because they know they can get away with it. That needs to stop.

16-01-2020 12:09PM

washman3 wrote: »

They see their peers get away scot-free with it.!!

Monkey see--Monkey do

No they don't there have been dozen of murders. I do think cab should be actign much quicker on anyone with signs of unexplained wealth.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-01-2020 12:17PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Curfews

Genuinely made me lol! Genius!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 16-01-2020 12:19PM

washman3 wrote: »

They see their peers get away scot-free with it.!!

Monkey see--Monkey do

That;s juts asking the chicken-egg question in order to avoid the issue.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-01-2020 12:19PM

A non scumbag male influence in their lives

Graces7 · 16-01-2020 12:26PM

Meaning what ?

A child is dead.

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KevRossi wrote: »

The young lad murdered and chopped up in Drogheda is an outlier. Bigger issues are the number of scumbag kids from good and bad areas vandalizing the place, throwing their weight around and threatening and intimidating people.

They do it because they know they can get away with it. That needs to stop.

seamus · 16-01-2020 12:35PM

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

Stop older criminals grooming them like paedophiles.

This is one of the big ones.

Whenever you read about younger teenagers (12/13/14) being involved in serious crime, there is practically always an older influence involved.

They're rolling with gangs that include adults up to ten years older than they are. And you read that this has been a common theme throughout their lives - hanging around with 14/15 year olds from the age of 6 or 7.

They haven't a hope. Imagine the influence a 15 year old has on a idolising 7 year old, and the knowledge and attitudes that will get passed down?

It's a constant cycle, 7 year old gets influenced by a teenager, who then becames a teenager and influences the next 7 year old.

"Effective parenting" is correct, but doesn't tell us anything about solving the problem. If every parent was an effective one, there'd be no problems.
The question is how do you catch kids whose parents are failing them and bring about real change that will help not only the child, but the parents too; they will have other kids, or they will have grandkids. If you don't help them, you haven't solved the problem.

The usual answer is "take their kids away", but the data doesn't support this as being at all effective unless the child is being directly abused.

Mrs OBumble · 16-01-2020 12:46PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Genuinely made me lol! Genius!

I wasn't joking.

They are part of the strategy which Iceland has used to vastly reduce youth alcohol abuse.

jimgoose · 16-01-2020 12:50PM

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

A 17 year old is dead.

By "outlier" I assume what's meant is that the matter of that unfortunate boy's death and the manner thereof could be considered a bagatelle vis-à-vis the broader issue of children like that getting roped into serious crime. Having said that, considering the sort of people who would actually do that running around at large is quite sobering, to put it mildly.

neris · 16-01-2020 12:53PM

D3V!L wrote: »

Conscription, it'll put manners on them.

Might be needed soon if the talk of leaving 2 naval ships tied up in port is true because of lack of crew & recruits

KWAG2019 · 16-01-2020 12:56PM

The outworking of extended dysfunctional families continues. Dysfunctional adults cannot effectively parent. Cycle recurs.

Poverty, even if relative to other areas of the world, impacts as well. In crime thread some poster noted influence of seeing others “minted”. Children and teenagers have limited grasp of reality. Seeing a Gucci baseball hat is something special.

Grooming as noted here.

Lack of proper ethical education independent of religion in schools.

Solutions need to be comprehensive: die in jail sentences for major drug suppliers and murderers, jails run properly so no phones etc for these if necessary suspending rights legislation that enables criminal operation from jails, CAB brought not quite to micro level but take out “middle management” of drug dealers so that one day you’re in Gucci and next it’s down to Dunne’s like anyone else, abolish children’s allowance for second and subsequent children and give a tax credit equivalent to it for second and subsequent children to those in employment, copy successful preschool programs in disadvantaged areas to tackle issues with parenting, prosecute leading media figures and politicians for drug use, look at decriminalisation for addicts. Above all ENFORCE things.

Are these possible in Ireland? No. We don’t do solutions. We do Joe Duffy and Facebook.

seamus · 16-01-2020 12:56PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I wasn't joking.

They are part of the strategy which Iceland has used to vastly reduce youth alcohol abuse.

I laughed too, but looking at the Icelandic model, it doesn't seem that crazy

By law — introduced when Icelandic police routinely dealt with alcohol-fueled street gatherings — children under 12 are not allowed to be outside after 8 p.m. without parents and those 13 to 16 not past 10 p.m. Over summer, when school is out, the curfew is extended by two hours.

That all seems very reasonable, and "without parents" being an important part there.

The only problem is that in Iceland's case it's mostly policed by groups of bored parents patrolling the streets and asking kids to move on. This works when you have a population on par with a mid-sized city.

Can you imagine a group of parents wandering onto wasteland in Ballymun and telling a group of 14 year olds to move on?

As an idea it's not awful, but as usual the problem is enforcement. You also have the issue that in the case of kids getting into organised crimes, there are plenty of houses and other buildings where they gather. Getting it off the streets may not make much of a dent.

suicide_circus · 16-01-2020 12:58PM

stop children being a welfare cash cow for parents who then put zero effort into raising them.

greenspurs · 16-01-2020 01:07PM

D3V!L wrote: »

Conscription, it'll put manners on them.

WOW !!
The "do Gooders" would have a field day at the inhumane shouting and physical exercise enforced on the poor youths !!
There'd be savage outrage from them... probably set up groups on bookface about it too!!!

mondeo · 16-01-2020 01:09PM

Young lads they days seem to be very aggressive, acting the fck in large groups thinking they wont get caught because they are in numbers. There are known dangerous little groups hanging around on parts of the north side running a muck as most people would have heard, and are not of irish heritage. They should respect the hand that fed their parents 20 odd years ago and they should be grateful, otherwise they would be living in a hole in their native lands...

Alot of aggression in young lads has to do with their hormone levels, they are spiking and want to prove themselves that they are the "great man" and think being a rebel is the best way to achieve it. I hate these groups of 10 or more 16, 17 year olds going around. One minute they are walking casually, the next they all run off like a bat out of hell and you know they did something dodgy when they do that....

Ireland needs more policing, and they should be on foot walking around these sht hole areas regularly. They should be giving the power to man handle these fckrs when needed. Why don't they get the armed forces to patrol areas around dublin ? They just seem to be up the mountains doing target practice or assisting when the weather is bad. Get them down here with their guns and patrol the areas ! I'd be up for that.

How to stop teenagers getting involved in crime

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