Young Scientists of the Year

ILoveYourVibes · 11-01-2020 11:49PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

They asked a group of children to draw an engineer.

Do five to seven year old children even know what an engineer is?
If you had asked me to draw an engineer at age five I would probably have drawn something like this.

And you would have been very cute!

KevRossi · 12-01-2020 12:06AM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Back to the future...?

This looks like a fine strong (and useful) piece of Scientific work....still relevant a decade on too.

That is also called a rocket stove and is a technology that has been around for decades. Nothing new. Was gobsmacked when he won that.

fundi · 12-01-2020 12:18AM

mfceiling wrote: »

Is this the competition where the parent/teacher does the project and the kids take the credit?

And the school takes the credit. Even the parents get help doing the projects, or so it is said.

cloudatlas · 12-01-2020 02:26AM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

"The individual runner’s up was project entitled “A statistical analysis of the impact of adolescent smartphone use on adolescent social anxiety and social isolation”.
The project collected data from 792 12-19-year-old post-primary students looking at levels of social anxiety, social phobia and adolescent loneliness, in addition to smartphone usage."

Young Scientist seems to be losing its way away from science alright. Science for the snowflake generation's obsession with themselves rather than the world outside them.

More often than not there is a complaint about male suicide/mental health problems being ignored by posters on here and then someone does a survey and there's complaints..... Em could mental health problems have a history?

Duckworth_Luas · 12-01-2020 03:52AM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

You know it's for children, right?

This?

12-01-2020 07:21AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

More often than not there is a complaint about male suicide/mental health problems being ignored by posters on here and then someone does a survey and there's complaints..... Em could mental health problems have a history?

Science tends to be based on hard facts. The word itself conjures up a measure of trust.

"Social sciences" or psychology are rarely extensive in it's research and methodology... coming up with opinions rather than facts which can be verified by others if need be.

Associating it with science is a way to slide it in to be accepted in just the same way that we accept science. But it's not the same. It's not reliable.

Raising awareness of male suicide/mental health problems is important.. but not like this. This isn't about mental health. This is about giving social sciences credibility beyond what it deserves.

suicide_circus · 12-01-2020 07:57AM

it's a shame they went this direction with the winner, hopefully it will be business as usual next year

Mad_maxx · 12-01-2020 10:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Science tends to be based on hard facts. The word itself conjures up a measure of trust.

"Social sciences" or psychology are rarely extensive in it's research and methodology... coming up with opinions rather than facts which can be verified by others if need be.

Associating it with science is a way to slide it in to be accepted in just the same way that we accept science. But it's not the same. It's not reliable.

Raising awareness of male suicide/mental health problems is important.. but not like this. This isn't about mental health. This is about giving social sciences credibility beyond what it deserves.

It's about politicising the event so it chimes with the current pervasive agenda

Edgware · 12-01-2020 12:12PM

fundi wrote: »

And the school takes the credit. Even the parents get help doing the projects, or so it is said.

"Or so it is said" By who? The lads down in the bookies?

Hector Savage · 12-01-2020 07:36PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

They asked a group of children to draw an engineer.

Do five to seven year old children even know what an engineer is?
If you had asked me to draw an engineer at age five I would probably have drawn something like this.

Exactly and that must be a male as he has no long hair!!

utter nonsense, it's actually bad for girls, they are being told that the system is against them from the start - such rubbish..

kieran. · 12-01-2020 07:40PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And you would have been very cute!

I've never seen an engineer that happy ðŸ˜Š

Potential-Monke · 12-01-2020 08:03PM

kieran. wrote: »

I've never seen and engineer that happy &#55357;&#56842;

He's on placement.

Abel Ruiz · 12-01-2020 08:17PM

spurious wrote: »

Ah yes, AH in all it's glory.

Terrible pity they are boys or the usual misogynists could slither out with their tuppence worth too.

Are you okay?
Seems like you're looking for something that isn't there?

vriesmays · 13-01-2020 05:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you could spell engineer at 5 years of age you were doing alright..

If you could spell all right correctly you would too.

13-01-2020 06:03PM

mikhail wrote: »

I was talking with a fella who's been a judge on it. He mentioned several schools in Cork are enthusiastic supporters of this, and matchmake students with mentors from the universities and elsewhere when it's called for. I asked him about the case you referred to, and he was satisfied that entries like that get grilled pretty well to make sure they did it themselves. He recalled some examples of projects that were very impressive themselves, but where the student was weak under questioning and was marked down. I am not without some reservations, but I don't think it's reasonable to refer with certainty like that to some kid as a cheat just based on the fact that his ma mentored him.

Ah here, we don't need any of that reality here. The alt-right lads on Boards who saw a 60 second piece on the research are in a far better position to judge the project than the PhD judging panel who spent time reading the report and interviewing the students.

13-01-2020 06:15PM

vriesmays wrote: »

If you could spell all right correctly you would too.

Yeah, well..whatever..

Arghus · 13-01-2020 06:23PM

Read about the winners yesterday. Thought it won't have really happened until some randomer starts a thread giving out about it in AH and 50% of the replies mention the word "snowflake" in there somewhere and the rest complain that it's not "real science", unaware of the irony that it shows they don't know what they are talking about.

Millionaire only not · 13-01-2020 06:23PM

I guess they won’t be making the rich list or going to Silicon Valley any time soon !

vriesmays · 13-01-2020 07:29PM

Arghus wrote: »

Read about the winners yesterday. Thought it won't have really happened until some randomer starts a thread giving out about it in AH and 50% of the replies mention the word "snowflake" in there somewhere and the rest complain that it's not "real science", unaware of the irony that it shows they don't know what they are talking about.

You think asking a small group of kids from the same area fixed questions and interpolating these results should apply around the world is real science.

Quantum Erasure · 13-01-2020 07:51PM

any link to the study?

Padraig Mor · 13-01-2020 08:10PM

Arghus wrote: »

Read about the winners yesterday. Thought it won't have really happened until some randomer starts a thread giving out about it in AH and 50% of the replies mention the word "snowflake" in there somewhere and the rest complain that it's not "real science", unaware of the irony that it shows they don't know what they are talking about.

Social "science" isn't real science.

Yours,
A real scientist.

MoonUnit75 · 13-01-2020 10:03PM

Is there a good summary or actual paper on the winning entry that people can read? Is it not bizarre that, according to my quick count, judges in the 'soft science' section outnumber those in the fields where research is on much more solid ground? It's almost like they were hoping a touchy-feely-goody-goody project would win.

cloudatlas · 13-01-2020 10:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Science tends to be based on hard facts. The word itself conjures up a measure of trust.

"Social sciences" or psychology are rarely extensive in it's research and methodology... coming up with opinions rather than facts which can be verified by others if need be.

Associating it with science is a way to slide it in to be accepted in just the same way that we accept science. But it's not the same. It's not reliable.

Raising awareness of male suicide/mental health problems is important.. but not like this. This isn't about mental health. This is about giving social sciences credibility beyond what it deserves.

Please it's not the inclusion of this category that is getting the heckles up it's the subject of the project that is pissing people off you can see that in most of the comments under the twitter and the reference to 'gender' and 'wokeness'.

Montage of Feck · 13-01-2020 10:49PM

kieran. wrote: »

I've never seen an engineer that happy ðŸ˜Š

He got a handy job with the council. ....Oh **** I just assumed the gender of a stick figure.

13-01-2020 10:54PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Please it's not the inclusion of this category that is getting the heckles up it's the subject of the project that is pissing people off you can see that in most of the comments under the twitter and the reference to 'gender' and 'wokeness'.

Please? Err. No. I, and many others (as seen by posts within this thread), are annoyed at it's inclusion within an event dedicated to promoting and encouraging an interest in science for young people.

cloudatlas · 14-01-2020 12:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Please? Err. No. I, and many others (as seen by posts within this thread), are annoyed at it's inclusion within an event dedicated to promoting and encouraging an interest in science for young people.

Behavioural science has always been included in the competition. All of a sudden everyone is a scientist now in the comments. Social science project wins an award. After hours: 'Suddenly I'm an astrophysicist'.

14-01-2020 03:07AM

cloudatlas wrote: »

Behavioural science has always been included in the competition. All of a sudden everyone is a scientist now in the comments. Social science project wins an award. After hours: 'Suddenly I'm an astrophysicist'.

Really? I hadn't realised that. Thanks for the correction.

And no, I'm generally pretty clueless about science. (I have a Bachelor in Psychology, and other degrees in Business) Although I still wouldn't consider Behavioral science to be a science in the same manner as physics, or chemistry.

Arghus · 14-01-2020 04:43AM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Social "science" isn't real science.

Yours,
A real scientist.

Uh, oh. A real scientist.

Look, I can only claim to be a random person on the Internet, but for my appeal to authority I'll go by this definition from The Science Council in the UK:

"Science is the pursuit of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence."

Quite a broad definition I know, but not quite as broad as just junking everything that doesn't fall within your definition of what real science is. Not that you defined real science, of course, but maybe only real scientists can truly know that.

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