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Will Britain ever just piss off and get on with Brexit? -mod warning in OP (21/12)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Sure, Comrade, Single Market is ace, nothing else comes close, ever...ask all the med countries how the four pillars is working out for them


    Let boredstiff stick up for himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    What do the UK have to trade with?? They produce SweetFA...

    Financial instruments...gold they are, gold i tell you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Cummings puts the call out for a new generation of non-humanities graduates to move into the offices of power, including:

    Data scientists and software developers
    Economists
    Policy experts
    Project managers
    Communication experts

    Cummings trying to rid the Civil Service of those lifers with worthless humanities backgrounds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Irishmale0399


    Financial instruments...gold they are, gold i tell you


    Financial instruments....financial institutes...they are moving their offices to the EU my friend. What are these instruments?? The ones Mogg and Johnson are set to make money on???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,436 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The EU are consolidating their power before extreme socialism. They will dictate what you can say, eat and travel too under the guise if wokeness

    It's always hilarious when the children of the Internet Right try to talk politics.

    It's akin to listening to flat earthers going on about astrophysics.

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    It's besides the point. I never said they couldnt. What I actually said was that ever since Brexit they have been saying 'they can without the restrictions of the EU'.

    This is exactly what you said (9014)

    The single market is great if you are in it but restrictive as well. For instance you cant go and source goods cheaper if you are in it.

    Outside it you can and they will.


    Spot the difference?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Boredstiff666


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It's always hilarious when the children of the Internet Right try to talk politics.

    It's akin to listening to flat earthers going on about astrophysics.

    :pac:

    Another talking about internet users and this one has over 11,000 posts and thats just on here.

    Cue the Mod.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon



    Didnt you hear? He won the argument!! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Hold on there. As I said I dont follow this but.

    Wan't Obama responsible for forced repatriations of illegals?

    Isnt the Left Antifa going around attacking and killing people?

    Regards Statemanship......Most world leaders could fail that test including out own President.

    And here is the proof. Remember the scene in The Big Short (great film) when the lads can't believe people can be as stupid as they seem, and take off for Vegas to check if there's a property bubble?

    boredstiff is exactly the sort of person fake news exists to influence. Lazy, uninformed and only too willing to have their world view formed for them by internet propagandists. Last post of yours I respond to, my friend. You're not worth bothering with.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭davedanon


    Financial instruments...gold they are, gold i tell you

    Financial instruments collapsed the world economy in 2008, fella.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,436 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    davedanon wrote: »
    boredstiff is exactly the sort of person fake news exists to influence. Lazy, uninformed and only too willing to have their world view formed for them by internet propagandists. Last post of yours I respond to, my friend. You're not worth bothering with.

    The millennials of the "Internet Right" are the most ridiculous incarnation of that particular wing of politics. Their positions are solely defined by what they hate and what they paint their "opposition" as, usually SJW's, cucks, libtards and so on. Their information is spoon fed to them on the web by, largely, American clickbaiters on the likes of YouTube, which they lap up, leading them to a truly warped view of a world that they really have no idea about, outside of a computer or phone screen.

    And I thought the Christian Right were absurd. But just like the Christian Right, their fantasies have absolutely no basis in any kind of reality that occurs in the real world.


  • Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What do the UK have to trade with?? They produce SweetFA...

    The UK exports about $490Bn worth of goods, but more importantly in a trade deal, it imports $670Bn, of which 60% is from the EU.

    http://www.worldstopexports.com/united-kingdoms-top-exports/
    http://www.worldstopexports.com/united-kingdoms-top-10-imports/


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,484 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Another talking about internet users and this one has over 11,000 posts and thats just on here.

    Cue the Mod.
    Do not post in this thread again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    I agree, and brexit is part of that resistance. I notice Leo is even telling people to go meat free while running a agri economy. This who Vegan, Environmental Scientology is just a new way to keep the masses in their box. They are creating a world where kids are scared for life and scared the world is gonna end along with telling us to not have kids to save the planet. History will judge the brainwashing pushed out by the EU very badly.

    You, along with other posters here seem to be thinking of Ireland as it was in the 1950's.

    Ireland is not an "agri economey". Agriculture is less than 2% of our economey. You are posting as if you are some Yank who's only experience of Ireland was watching The Quiet Man once.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    It isn't...and the UK knows that. The real trade is outside the EU now...own it.

    Sure it is pal, sure it is.

    The UK does more trade with Ireland than with anyone outside the EU other than the US and China. Ireland is a bigger export market for British goods than China is. Where is all this trade for the UK going to come from?


  • Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony EH wrote: »
    The millennials of the "Internet Right" are the most ridiculous incarnation of that particular wing of politics. Their positions are solely defined by what they hate and what they paint their "opposition" as, usually SJW's, cucks, libtards and so on. Their information is spoon fed to them on the web by, largely, American clickbaiters on the likes of YouTube, which they lap up, leading them to a truly warped view of a world that they really have no idea about, outside of a computer or phone screen.

    And I thought the Christian Right were absurd. But just like the Christian Right, their fantasies have absolutely no basis in any kind of reality that occurs in the real world.

    That is a fair reflection of the internet generation and applies equally to the right and the left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    https://dominiccummings.com/

    Jobs here if anyone is interested


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Sure it is pal, sure it is.

    The UK does more trade with Ireland than with anyone outside the EU other than the US and China. Ireland is a bigger export market for British goods than China is. Where is all this trade for the UK going to come from?

    I think that is what they are boldly gonna change


  • Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Sure it is pal, sure it is.

    The UK does more trade with Ireland than with anyone outside the EU other than the US and China. Ireland is a bigger export market for British goods than China is. Where is all this trade for the UK going to come from?

    A lot of that isn’t originating in the U.K. most global manufacturers see the U.K. and Ireland as one market. Same electricity standards, drive on the same side of the road, support the same football teams, watch the same television.

    Goods are produced for the one market and shipped in to the U.K. for onwards distribution to Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    The video has clearly been cut, it starts in the middle of a sentance with the subtitles saying stuff that is not heard in the video.

    As I said before, its a rather blatent hatchet job.

    What do you even think the video shows, specifically?

    Are you saying the BBC, pro EU BBC, bury the documentary on BBC4 BBC, edited this and it's not true?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Aegir wrote:
    Goods are produced for the one market and shipped in to the U.K. for onwards distribution to Ireland.

    Which won't be the case after Brexit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    You, along with other posters here seem to be thinking of Ireland as it was in the 1950's.

    Ireland is not an "agri economey". Agriculture is less than 2% of our economey. You are posting as if you are some Yank who's only experience of Ireland was watching The Quiet Man once.

    Economy, see we both spelt it wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    First Up wrote: »
    Which won't be the case after Brexit.

    ah it will be. It is gonna be fine.

    EU won't bully the UK and the UK will be free to do new trade deals, avoid tax harmonisation and other socialist agenda from Brussels and they will still reach out. They've no choice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Are you saying the BBC, pro EU BBC, bury the documentary on BBC4 BBC, edited this and it's not true?

    ^^ I asked kidchameleon a question earlier about source of that doctored Michel Barnier clip he posted.
    May as well not let my research go to waste [before I log off for the day]!

    Vote Watch UK website: https://vote-watch.co.uk.
    I could not find anything too obvious on there yesterday about who set it up or why exactly (other than what you can glean from the content) but on one page it has a patreon link (for VoteWatch).

    So a bit of the blurb there was:
    "VoteWatch UK Ltd consists of independent investigative journalists and political activists. Founded by Jay Beecher, a former VoteLeave Coordinator and leadership election campaign manager, VoteWatch aims to closely monitor key areas highlighted across the UK as being at the highest risk of electoral fraud. We also aim to educate on democracy, provide exclusive interviews and reports, expose crooked politicians, and delve into sections of Britain's vote-rigging epidemic that the mainstream media are too afraid to cover. With undercover journalism, secret filming, exclusive news, and in-depth investigations, we'll be dragging the ballot burglars of Britain up to the surface. Come join us."

    So someone called Jay Beecher, a UK Eurosceptic politician who worked on the Conservative "Vote Leave" EU referendum campaign and also a former Ukipper.

    There's a bit of a bio on the amazon.co.uk entry for a book he wrote about internal political shenanigans within the dying beast that is the UKIP party.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ukip-Exposed-Inside-Corruption-Hypocrisy/dp/1542650593

    and like all politicians is on twitter too
    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    Defo has no dogs in the argy bargy & political bunfight over the Irish Sea about Brexit, the EU, and the withdrawal negotiations at all at all.

    A really excellent source of unbiased information on these topics for Irish readers of this website!

    Much better than the SJW BBC cucks or lamestream media all given their lines by Soros and the high "IQ" but machiavellian Jews (as I'm reliably told by an unbiased independent source I found on the internet 5 min ago).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/01/united-britain-will-have-upper-hand-divided-declining-european/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

    Liam Haligan is right about the declining EU and the UK now with this majority is primed to secure a good deal. They gave canada a free trade deal. If they declined one for the UK then they are neither good nighbours, friends or allies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    EU won't bully the UK and the UK will be free to do new trade deals, avoid tax harmonisation and other socialist agenda from Brussels and they will still reach out. They've no choice.

    You think it will be economic for goods to go through whatever import controls the UK imposes, sit in a UK warehouse and then go through a whole other set of EU import controls to get to Ireland?

    You really don't have a clue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    First Up wrote: »
    You think it will be economic for goods to go through whatever import controls the UK imposes, sit in a UK warehouse and then go through a whole other set of EU import controls to get to Ireland?

    You really don't have a clue.

    with the current deal that won't happen. It is up to the EU how complicated it wants to make it for us in the future. The UK has no interest in anything but free flowing trade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    I think that is what they are boldly gonna change

    Yep, they just need to make an extra special wish upon a star. :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Imreoir2 wrote: »
    Yep, they just need to make an extra special wish upon a star. :rolleyes:

    keep telling yourself that.


    2019: the year the media lost the plot
    Fake news, conspiracy theories and hysteria have become the new normal for broadsheets and broadcasters.


    2019 was a shocking year for the British media. According to research by the Reuters Institute, there has been a marked decline in public trust in the news over the past few years. The proportion of people who trust the news media ‘most of the time’ has fallen from 51 per cent in 2015 to just 40 per cent in 2019. And who can blame them?


    While the tabloids have always been well-known for being sensationalist, bombastic and politically partisan – indeed, that’s why people buy them – the most striking development has been the rapid descent of the supposedly ‘quality’ sections of the media. At times last year, the broadsheet press and the ‘impartial’ broadcasters lost all grip on reason and objectivity, disseminating fake news, conspiracy theories and outright hysteria.

    In a year that started with the historic defeat of Theresa May’s Brexit deal and ended with Boris Johnson’s election victory – punctuated by several brushes with a No Deal Brexit – there was plenty of opportunities for journalists to become unhinged.


    Brexit has proved particularly difficult for journalists to cover objectively. Most broadcast journalists, in particular, clearly support Remain and don’t do much to hide it. For instance, when John Humphrys retired from the Today programme this year, he recalled the ‘grim’ expressions on BBC bosses’ faces on the day of the Leave result. Although he himself voted Remain, he lamented that there was ‘no attempt to pretend that this was anything other than a disaster’ at the BBC.

    The prospect of a No Deal Brexit revived Project Fear on steroids. The BBC swapped measured analysis for ludicrous scare stories. Food-industry lobbyists were invited on to Today to say that food would run out and would need to be stockpiled or even rationed. Other BBC reports said there would be too much food and nowhere to store it. A deranged Newsnight report (with scary music to boot) claimed that ‘45,000 dairy cows could be culled’ in Northern Ireland as a result of No Deal. If the thought of thousands of cow carcasses didn’t spoil your appetite, Brexit would also ruin your chicken dinner. If the unfolding dystopia turned you to drink, Brexit would probably ruin that as well by changing the taste of whiskey (the BBC report ends with the quite important caveat that it wouldn’t actually change anything). If all that news made you feel really unwell, then No Deal was probably going to finish you off – the retired chief medical officer asserted on Today that Brexit would mean more ‘deaths’.

    One of the BBC’s flagship politics show, Question Time, had an overwhelmingly pro-Remain bias. As shown on spiked earlier this year, overall there were two Remainers on the panel for every Leaver. When pro-Brexit guests were invited on to give their views elsewhere on the Beeb, it wasn’t pretty. In a debate about parliament blocking Brexit, Newsnight’s Emily Maitlis changed the subject to accuse Rod Liddle of peddling ‘constant casual racism’. ‘The bile that you spew up has to be who you are’, she said. A complaint from a member of the public that Maitlis was ‘sneering’ and ‘bullying’ was upheld.

    Unable to get to grips with Brexit, journalists had to invent increasingly wacky theories to explain the public’s commitment to leaving the EU. The Observer’s Carole Cadwalladr has been pushing ever-more elaborate conspiracy theories about Brexit involving Cambridge Analytica, Russian money, Russian bots, Russian disinformation and Russia Today. Cadwalladr’s work talks of ‘dark forces’ out to ‘hijack’ democracy. It is littered with caveats like ‘we can’t be sure’ or ‘Is it true? Who knows?’, and with ‘questions’ that are always ‘swirling’. In 2019, Netflix produced a film based on her Alex Jones-style theories about Facebook controlling the sheeple’s minds. She was even nominated for a Pulitzer Prize. Sadly, she is now being sued by Brexit-backing businessman Arron Banks for her frequent insinuations that a covert, corrupt relationship with the Russian government is behind his support for Leave.


    While the mass vote for Brexit continued to provoke hysteria some three years later, lots of journalists got overly excited about several Westminster bubble non-events. The arrival of The Independent Group (aka Change UK) on the political scene in February sent Remoaner journalists giddy as they breathlessly predicted that these no-mark MPs ‘could yet change politics’. ‘There is no reason this can’t succeed’, declared one prominent cheerleader. In June, during the Conservative leadership contest, all the polls said Boris Johnson was miles ahead, but the media were instead gripped by ‘Rorymania’. ‘The Tories have found a proper star’ in Rory Stewart, gushed ITV’s supposedly impartial Robert Peston. By the end of the year, Change UK could only contest three seats in the General Election – losing all three – while Rory Stewart is out of the Commons and out of the Conservative Party.

    Broadcasters’ opinions often got the better of them. The head of Channel 4 News, Dorothy Byrne, made it known, in a major speech, that she thought prime minister Boris Johnson was a ‘coward’ and a ‘known liar’ and that she wanted her broadcasters to call him that. Such character judgements are not objective journalism. They are opinion, not news. During the election, Channel 4 clearly set out to influence the news agenda rather than report on it. It hosted the first-ever leaders’ debate on climate change, despite the fact that every man and his dog knew the election was really about Brexit. There was also no ‘debate’ to be seen, as none of the parties disagreed on the issue in any substantive way.

    Social media gave political journalists ample opportunity to give us their unfiltered thoughts and takes. Peston, Sky’s Lewis Goodall and the BBC’s Emma Barnett presumably thought they were being extremely clever by hiding their views behind phrases like ‘Regardless of your political view’ or ‘Whatever you think about X’ before proceeding to instruct voters on how to feel about contentious issues.

    While social media gave us an insight into the biases of broadcast journalists – whose work is supposed to be impartial – the need to get stories on to social media quickly also tripped up many journalists. During the election, ITV’s Peston and the BBC’s political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, both tweeted out fake news about a Tory aide being punched by a Labour activist. The police confirmed there had been no incident and video footage proved that beyond doubt. The fake stories were tweeted on the say-so of Tory sources – senior journalists never bothered to verify the truth.


    The great irony was that after years of screeching and handwringing over Russian bots, dodgy tabloids and errant bloggers, 2019 confirmed that mainstream, ‘quality’ media outlets have now become the biggest source of nonsense in the land.


    That nails the end of 2019. A year we are all glad to have seen passed. The year the masses started to wake up to wokeness


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