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Appalling bus transport article

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  • #32
    Chivito550
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    Joker2019 wrote: »
    And is there a bus lane on your commute? Remember that's at peak times most cities have a morning and evening peak it's far quicker off peak. I find the evening peak far worse than the morning peak.

    Most big and medium European cities have extensive underground and rail networks that bypass private car traffic.


  • #33
    First Up
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    strandroad wrote:
    46A doesn't meander, it goes up to N11 and into town to serve Deansgrange, Foxrock, Stillorgan and UCD. It's just very slow because bus lanes are only part of the way and loading/unloading is so slow with the inefficient system we have. And that's QBC speeds for you...


    I live close to the route and I use the 46a (or 145) into town any chance I get. It can be slow but you have to offset that against the time (and cost) of finding a convenient parking place.


  • #34
    is_that_so
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Most big and medium European cities have extensive underground and rail networks that bypass private car traffic.
    They also build up and generally have higher overall population densities.


  • #35
    donvito99
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    They also build up and generally have higher overall population densities.

    They are also typically cut and cover jobs which were easily installed after the war and well into the 60s/70s.

    I'm sure the anti-bus connects crowd in the south west of Dublin City pining for a Metro at all costs and absolutely no change to the surface street (parking) would love to see that happen up Rathmines/Rathgar/Terenure Rd East etc...


  • #36
    Idbatterim
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    In Sydney at the moment. You get an opal card like leap or use visa debit for journeys. No cash. Amazing that this technology has been employed by other cities for years. When does Dublin , which is laughably a massive it hub plan on getting this ? The year 2145 after endless public consultations?


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  • #37
    Last Stop
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    Joker2019 wrote: »
    The fact is the journalist in question used the 46a to go all the way from the terminus at DL DART station to O'Connell Street when they could have just used the Dart and done the journey in nearly half the time.

    Isn’t that the whole point of the article?? She’s pointing out how inefficient the bus is when compared to other modes (in this case DART).
    The argument is made in the context of the 3bn being spent to “improve” the bus service. You may not agree with the argument but suggesting she should have taken the DART actually backs up what she’s saying.


  • #38
    donvito99
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    Last Stop wrote: »
    Isn’t that the whole point of the article?? She’s pointing out how inefficient the bus is when compared to other modes (in this case DART).
    The argument is made in the context of the 3bn being spent to “improve” the bus service. You may not agree with the argument but suggesting she should have taken the DART actually backs up what she’s saying.

    Part of the 3bn spend will allow her to get on a bus at her ususal stop and change to a dart to town for approx. 2.50.

    I dont see how this article demonstrates that Bus connects wont improve the bus service.


  • #39
    Joker2019
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    Last Stop wrote: »
    Isn’t that the whole point of the article?? She’s pointing out how inefficient the bus is when compared to other modes (in this case DART).
    The argument is made in the context of the 3bn being spent to “improve” the bus service. You may not agree with the argument but suggesting she should have taken the DART actually backs up what she’s saying.

    Both serve different purposes. It would cost a lot more than 3 billion to have every area served by rail based public transport.


  • #40
    Last Stop
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    donvito99 wrote: »
    I dont see how this article demonstrates that Bus connects wont improve the bus service.

    Not that it won’t improve the bus service but questioning why we are investing so much in trying to improve the bus service.

    Yes 3bn wouldn’t provide a Luas/metro to every home in Dublin but it would significantly reduce the numbers relying on the bus. Look at all the cities around Europe and they are served by a metro or rail network complimented by a bus network. Here it seems the plan is to do the opposite.

    For the record, the flaws with the bus as noted in the article include:
    On board ticketing
    Lack of capacity
    Single point of entry with ramp access
    Painfully slow journey times even along a QBC


  • #41
    Idbatterim
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    Dutch half the stops , get rid of cash payment ! That would cost virtually nothing and massively speed up services!


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  • #42
    thenightman
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Dutch half the stops , get rid of cash payment ! That would cost virtually nothing and massively speed up services!


    Would require a massive upgrade of all ticketing machines and backend systems as well as a comprehensive survey of which stops to remove. I know people like you don't think of such details and all, but would probably cost more money.


  • #43
    end of the road
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Dutch half the stops , get rid of cash payment ! That would cost virtually nothing and massively speed up services!


    dublin city bus services are not express services, they are urban/suburban, frequently stopping services.
    dumping half of the stops isn't going to happen.
    cash payment will likely be fazed out eventually but it will be as systems are upgraded.
    a massive upgrade of all of the systems currently existing, to allow the removal of cash payments would not be viable and would not pass a bcr.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #44
    strassenwo!f
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    The 46A has two functions.

    It hoovers up people between the N11 and DL, in effect having the role of an orbital bus route in that area. And it either brings those people to/from the DART/DL or it brings those people along the N11 corridor into/out of town, picking up/dropping off others along the way.

    Nobody living or working in DL would take the 46A into/out of town. But for many of those between DL and the N11 it represents the best option: take the 46A to DL and DART into town, or go in the other direction and take the 46A into town, with a journey time about the same if you're somewhere in the middle.

    In 'the ideal Dublin', somewhere in the future, there will be a LUAS line along the N11, so the 46A will no longer have a role of going into/out of the city at all, and it will just have its current orbital function of travelling between DL and the N11.

    That should free up a lot of bus investment for work in other areas of the city.


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