We need rationing and wartime style restrictions..

Jimmy Garlic · 30-12-2019 11:02PM #1

...According to the Irish Times. This is the conclusion of at the end of a doom laden article by John Gibbons.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/nature-will-have-the-last-word-on-the-climate-crisis-1.4123780

ShooterSF · 30-12-2019 11:09PM

I could see a universe where it comes to that alright. Humanity has a knack for missing what is right in front of it until it can ignore it no longer. We might get to a point where to stop things really does need such drastic actions.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 30-12-2019 11:11PM

Waits for the "We lived through the rationing from WW2 and it did us no harm" bs.

KWAG2019 · 30-12-2019 11:12PM

The huge corporations, their shareholders are the enemies of everyone’s future. Read the article. And lobbyists should be severely restricted to publicly recorded access to legislators.

X111111111111 · 30-12-2019 11:15PM

More doom and gloom. Yawn

Thelonious Monk · 30-12-2019 11:20PM

We all need to consume less, or we're f*cked. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out.

Fr_Dougal · 30-12-2019 11:22PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We all need to consume less, or we're f*cked. You don't have to be a genius to figure that out.

You’re right, and there’s only one way to do it. Less people=Less consumption.

It’s a scientific fact.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_313704365

Shefwedfan · 30-12-2019 11:23PM

To be honest for over 30 years now we have been told to reduce CO2 and failed miserably

The people have no will to do it bar a few. Most just want to bury head in sand and blame China or someone else.

I can’t see anything changing, just look at feedback on article to ban combustion engine car sales in 10 years and people going nuts.....not a clue.....stupidity is the biggest issues with the human race, that and greed

X111111111111 · 30-12-2019 11:24PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

To be honest for over 30 years now we have been told to reduce CO2 and failed miserably

The people have no will to do it bar a few. Most just want to bury head in sand and blame China or someone else.

I can’t see anything changing, just look at feedback on article to ban combustion engine car sales in 10 years and people going nuts.....not a clue.....stupidity is the biggest issues with the human race, that and greed

Electric cars are more damaging to the environment.

Thelonious Monk · 30-12-2019 11:30PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You’re right, and there’s only one way to do it. Less people=Less consumption.

It’s a scientific fact.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_313704365

Ugh. Ok but even if we halved world population we're still consuming at a rate where the planet would be f*cked in no time anyway.
There's no getting away from the fact that our way of life is not sustainable.
So - we all need to consume less, stop buying so much crap, and take care of the planet better.

Shefwedfan · 30-12-2019 11:30PM

X111111111111 wrote: »

Electric cars are more damaging to the environment.

Did I mention electric cars?

Plus what that based on?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-12-2019 11:31PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

The huge corporations, their shareholders are the enemies of everyone’s future. Read the article. And lobbyists should be severely restricted to publicly recorded access to legislators.

Ah yes. And you're right. But try proposing raising tax on the huge corporations and see what reaction you get. They used to campaign on Trickle down economics but they don't do that any longer but the policies of trickle down economics has never been stronger.

Nobody buys the notion that we should manipulate the economy do wealthy people have more wealth. But that's what we're getting whether we say we want it or not. Shur, pentioners own most of the residential property nowadays. Total reversal of the recent social contract.

I'm not proposing a revolution but I wouldn't be opposed to lbs either.

Fr_Dougal · 30-12-2019 11:31PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ugh. Ok but even if we halved world population we're still consuming at a rate where the planet would be f*cked in no time anyway.

Do you have a link or a source to support that? Looks made up and without substance.

Thelonious Monk · 30-12-2019 11:32PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Do you have a link or a source to support that? Looks made up and without substance.

It's common sense, Einstein.

Thelonious Monk · 30-12-2019 11:37PM

I studied economics for a while. Economic growth is equal to population growth plus growth in per capita GDP.
If we were to reduce the population, we would need to reduce our standard of living too as economic growth and increase of GDP is based on population growth.
For all you saying the problem is population and we need to reduce it - are you ok with reducing population and having a lower standard of living? I doubt it. Sharing resources and consuming less is the only answer, imo.

KWAG2019 · 30-12-2019 11:39PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah yes. And you're right. But try proposing raising tax on the huge corporations and see what reaction you get. They used to campaign on Trickle down economics but they don't do that any longer but the policies of trickle down economics has never been stronger.

Nobody buys the notion that we should manipulate the economy do wealthy people have more wealth. But that's what we're getting whether we say we want it or not. Shur, pentioners own most of the residential property nowadays. Total reversal of the recent social contract.

I'm not proposing a revolution but I wouldn't be opposed to lbs either.

These entities are a threat to our continued existence.

SEPT 23 1989 · 30-12-2019 11:40PM

They want the price of our transport our clothes the means to heat our homes increased drastically lowering our standard of living again

Rations?

Go fcuk yourselves

We paid enough price in blood through the generations to have the standard of living we have today

The Working Class need to organise very quickly

Fr_Dougal · 30-12-2019 11:45PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I studied economics for a while. Economic growth is equal to population growth plus growth in per capita GDP.
If we were to reduce the population, we would need to reduce our standard of living too as economic growth and increase of GDP is based on population growth.
For all you saying the problem is population and we need to reduce it - are you ok with reducing population and having a lower standard of living? I doubt it. Sharing resources and consuming less is the only answer, imo.

You must have only studied it for a short while, because you’re wrong.

If each worker increases productivity you can have an increase in GDP without an increase in population, in fact you can have an increase in GDP and a decline in population at the same time.

Thelonious Monk · 30-12-2019 11:46PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They want the price of our transport our clothes the means to heat our homes increased drastically lowering our standard of living again

Rations?

Go fcuk yourselves

We paid enough price in blood through the generations to have the standard of living we have today

The Working Class need to organise very quickly

I'm working class and i think the way we live nowadays is pretty disgusting. We all need to man up and realise we cant live this snowflake consumer cushioned lifestyle and appreciate food and clothing and everything we consume a little more.

Thelonious Monk · 30-12-2019 11:47PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You must have only studied it for a short while, because you’re wrong.

If each worker increases productivity you can have an increase in GDP without an increase in population, in fact you can have an increase in GDP and a decline in population at the same time.

Do you see any population controls being brought in in Europe in your lifetime?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-12-2019 11:49PM

KWAG2019 wrote: »

These entities are a threat to our continued existence.

I don’t disagree. The wealth is being concentrated amongst fewer, older people. Wealth remains real money and labour only earns the scrapings of a living.

But the policies people vote for facilitate the continuation of wealth concentrating with fewer, older, wealthy people.

_Brian · 30-12-2019 11:50PM

The big problem is the increasing insidious power of conglomerates.

They are selling people a lifestyle that does nothing but pass all wealth and power to them.

More and more they are muscling in on the food chain and creating “paid for science” that is leading public sentiment and government policy in dorections that secures their future profits and power.

Citroen2cv · 30-12-2019 11:52PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ugh. Ok but even if we halved world population we're still consuming at a rate where the planet would be f*cked in no time anyway.
There's no getting away from the fact that our way of life is not sustainable.
So - we all need to consume less, stop buying so much crap, and take care of the planet better.

Yep, and no better time than Christmas and post Christmas sales to realise that we consume far too much, clothing, food etc.

KWAG2019 · 30-12-2019 11:58PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

They want the price of our transport our clothes the means to heat our homes increased drastically lowering our standard of living again

Rations?

Go fcuk yourselves

We paid enough price in blood through the generations to have the standard of living we have today

The Working Class need to organise very quickly

No no no no no and no. Everyone outside the 1 or 2% need to organize. Because everyone outside that is either working clas or welfare class.

lawred2 · 30-12-2019 11:59PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Ugh. Ok but even if we halved world population we're still consuming at a rate where the planet would be f*cked in no time anyway.
There's no getting away from the fact that our way of life is not sustainable.
So - we all need to consume less, stop buying so much crap, and take care of the planet better.

Nah easier to throw the hands up to heaven and wish that most people would just die

The One Doctor · 31-12-2019 12:06AM

No modern government would propose measure to reduce the population. Even when it might be the only way out, apart from actually buying less **** and using it for longer.

SEPT 23 1989 · 31-12-2019 12:11AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm working class and i think the way we live nowadays is pretty disgusting. We all need to man up and realise we cant live this snowflake consumer cushioned lifestyle and appreciate food and clothing and everything we consume a little more.

You can lead whatever life you want if you want to go back to where we hadn’t a pot to p1ss in go ahead

Don’t expect others to follow you

Harry Palmr · 31-12-2019 12:13AM

I'm old enough not to care. Only joking, my carbon footprint is tiny as I'm not wealthy enough to have a bigger one.

Fr_Dougal · 31-12-2019 12:14AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Do you see any population controls being brought in in Europe in your lifetime?

I honestly don’t know. But what I do know is the powers that be are creating a new industry, the climate change/green industry, so that they can profit from it.

Google “oil company buys” and see what your suggested searches are, and what news articles come up.

Climate change is big business, it’s more consumerism wrapped in a guise of ‘save the planet’.

Buying new/more ‘stuff’ will not save the planet.

Harry Palmr · 31-12-2019 12:19AM

Most of us could buy less stuff and not in any measurable way make our lives worse. In fact we would have less to throw out later, so reducing our green bin charges and having less in the attic.

Quantum Erasure · 31-12-2019 12:27AM

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

... doom laden article by John Gibbons.

Would he lie to you?

We need rationing and wartime style restrictions..

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