Ionity charging network

BigAl81 · 26-12-2019 09:54AM

Just to add, when I used the Ionity City North yesterday, I used my Maingau card.

I plugged the cable into the car, tapped the card on the RFID reader on the charger, and after about 10 to 15 seconds of various clicking and clunking sounds between the car and the charger, it started without any issues.

Got my invoice and I was charged 35 cent per kWh.

Was great to have the Maingau card as my bill was only 2 euro yesterday (for a quick splash and dash) rather than the flat 8 Euro rate charged directly by Ionity.

I'll be trying Athlone in a few days and will report back again!

Now over to Bob with the weather!!

eddhorse · 26-12-2019 11:01AM

BigAl81 wrote: »

Just to add, when I used the Ionity City North yesterday, I used my Maingau card.

I plugged the cable into the car, tapped the card on the RFID reader on the charger, and after about 10 to 15 seconds of various clicking and clunking sounds between the car and the charger, it started without any issues.

Got my invoice and I was charged 35 cent per kWh.

Was great to have the Maingau card as my bill was only 2 euro yesterday (for a quick splash and dash) rather than the flat 8 Euro rate charged directly by Ionity.

I'll be trying Athlone in a few days and will report back again!

Now over to Bob with the weather!!

Thanks I might get one of those cards so.

Silent Running · 26-12-2019 11:23AM

eddhorse wrote: »

Thanks I might get one of those cards so.

Easier said than done. I've tried a few times to get one sent to me, without success.

Can anyone outline the way that worked for them?

Thanks.

Rafal · 26-12-2019 12:13PM

Old diesel wrote: »

Great news.

Did you have to hold the CCS plug during verification/handshake process.

No, I followed the instructions on the screen, ie. press Start, plug the car, select the RFID authentication tab on the screen, scan the Maingau card, press Start again—and it started immediately. Bay 1. Spent 9 mins, going from 44 to 60% on the LR AWD, which got me home with good buffer left and cost was €5.12. Bill shows 12.8 kWh of which 11 went into the battery, rest must have been heating and losses. Not cheap but still great considering the speed.

Mike9832 · 26-12-2019 12:49PM

Rafal wrote: »

No, I followed the instructions on the screen, ie. press Start, plug the car, select the RFID authentication tab on the screen, scan the Maingau card, press Start again—and it started immediately. Bay 1. Spent 9 mins, going from 44 to 60% on the LR AWD, which got me home with good buffer left and cost was €5.12. Bill shows 12.8 kWh of which 11 went into the battery, rest must have been heating and losses. Not cheap but still great considering the speed.

Those chargers ain't cheap is right

11kWh for €5.12 is more expensive than diesel

Thats about €10 for 100km motorway range

TOLLOT · 26-12-2019 12:54PM

I have a maingeau card which has worked in the past at Cashel ionity .
Couldn’t get it to work on #2 at cashel Christmas Eve .
Ended up using the ionity app as a guest which worked at the second attempt .
Love having Ionity there but find starting a charge is temperamental for me .

Silent Running · 26-12-2019 01:01PM

Mike9832 wrote: »

Those chargers ain't cheap is right

11kWh for €5.12 is more expensive than diesel

Thats about €10 for 100km motorway range

Actual electricity taken is 12.8kWh. Which works out at 40c per kWh. Yes, more expensive than ecars, but much faster. Time is money.

Th cost of €.40 per kWh isn't outrageous. Ecotricity in the UK are now charging £.39 (which is €.46) per kWh, and that's for the crappiest, slowest rapid chargers out there.

You're throwing figures about like confetti. More expensive than diesel? 100km of motorway range? In what car? Your diesel Skoda?

Mike9832 · 26-12-2019 01:29PM

Silent Running wrote: »

Actual electricity taken is 12.8kWh. Which works out at 40c per kWh. Yes, more expensive than ecars, but much faster. Time is money.

Th cost of €.40 per kWh isn't outrageous. Ecotricity in the UK are now charging £.39 (which is €.46) per kWh, and that's for the crappiest, slowest rapid chargers out there.

You're throwing figures about like confetti. More expensive than diesel? 100km of motorway range? In what car? Your diesel Skoda?

It will take minimum 20kWh/100km on motorway in this weather

€8 for 100km

Yes my old banger will do that cheaper, hydrogen in its infancy is probably very close too

Rafal · 26-12-2019 01:34PM

Mike9832 wrote: »

Those chargers ain't cheap is right

11kWh for €5.12 is more expensive than diesel

Thats about €10 for 100km motorway range

Yes—but that assumes that you use the Maingau card for all your charging, which would not make sense. If I wanted to get the full fill of 70-75 kWh in Athlone I would have used the Ionity app for €8 or the Plugsurfing fob for €8.70. That would work out at only 10c/kWh, rather than the 40c with the Maingau card.

It is rare that you would charge an EV on rapid chargers only. Most of us charge at home, which works out at 8c/kWh. For my car that equates to approximately 30% of the cost of equivalent diesel. If you were to assume that 20-30% of your charging would be on public rapids at the current rates, your blended cost of electricity would be a little dearer, about 40-45% of the equivalent cost of diesel. I am basing this on the 4 years of Leaf ownership and a few weeks of the M3.

Another way to think of the “expensive” rapids at motorway service stations is that they are a bit like the overpriced petrol stations that you find in the same places—but with the difference that the “normally” priced EV charging is way cheaper than any “normal” or even cheap petrol stations are.

September1 · 26-12-2019 01:35PM

Mike9832 wrote: »

It will take minimum 20kWh/100km on motorway in this weather

€8 for 100km

Yes my old banger will do that cheaper, hydrogen in its infancy is probably very close too

I think he mentioned that there is about 14% loss during charging so we are looking at close to €9 per 100km or around 6.5l of diesel per 100 km which I think may be close to numbers you get in majority of modern cars in real world motorway driving in this weather.

Mylow · 26-12-2019 01:40PM

Don't forget Shell Recharge, its only €7.60 per session on the Ionity

Mike9832 · 26-12-2019 02:25PM

September1 wrote: »

I think he mentioned that there is about 14% loss during charging so we are looking at close to €9 per 100km or around 6.5l of diesel per 100 km which I think may be close to numbers you get in majority of modern cars in real world motorway driving in this weather.

Exactly

Thats all I was saying

Rafal · 26-12-2019 08:00PM

September1 wrote: »

I think he mentioned that there is about 14% loss during charging so we are looking at close to €9 per 100km or around 6.5l of diesel per 100 km which I think may be close to numbers you get in majority of modern cars in real world motorway driving in this weather.

No, that is not what I was saying, but it seems to me that you and Mike9832 are either mathematically challenged or you have already decided that running a car on diesel is cheaper than on electricity.

This is what I wrote:

Yes—but that assumes that you use the Maingau card for all your charging, which would not make sense. If I wanted to get the full fill of 70-75 kWh in Athlone I would have used the Ionity app for €8 or the Plugsurfing fob for €8.70. That would work out at only 10c/kWh, rather than the 40c with the Maingau card.

It is rare that you would charge an EV on rapid chargers only. Most of us charge at home, which works out at 8c/kWh. For my car that equates to approximately 30% of the cost of equivalent diesel. If you were to assume that 20-30% of your charging would be on public rapids at the current rates, your blended cost of electricity would be a little dearer, about 40-45% of the equivalent cost of diesel. I am basing this on the 4 years of Leaf ownership and a few weeks of the M3.

Another way to think of the “expensive” rapids at motorway service stations is that they are a bit like the overpriced petrol stations that you find in the same places—but with the difference that the “normally” priced EV charging is way cheaper than any “normal” or even cheap petrol stations are.

Mike9832 · 26-12-2019 08:16PM

Rafal wrote: »

No, that is not what I was saying, but it seems to me that you and Mike9832 are either mathematically challenged or you have already decided that running a car on diesel is cheaper than on electricity.

This is what I wrote:

Yes—but that assumes that you use the Maingau card for all your charging, which would not make sense. If I wanted to get the full fill of 70-75 kWh in Athlone I would have used the Ionity app for €8 or the Plugsurfing fob for €8.70. That would work out at only 10c/kWh, rather than the 40c with the Maingau card.

It is rare that you would charge an EV on rapid chargers only. Most of us charge at home, which works out at 8c/kWh. For my car that equates to approximately 30% of the cost of equivalent diesel. If you were to assume that 20-30% of your charging would be on public rapids at the current rates, your blended cost of electricity would be a little dearer, about 40-45% of the equivalent cost of diesel. I am basing this on the 4 years of Leaf ownership and a few weeks of the M3.

Another way to think of the “expensive” rapids at motorway service stations is that they are a bit like the overpriced petrol stations that you find in the same places—but with the difference that the “normally” priced EV charging is way cheaper than any “normal” or even cheap petrol stations are.

Hi Rafal

It's great you have night rate at 8c a kWh and charge at home mostly,

That's really fantastic, great work, you should be proud of yourself for that

We were discussing about Ionity being a small bit mistake, that's all buddy, sorry if our mathematical skills are bit lacking.

Rafal · 26-12-2019 10:20PM

Mike9832 wrote: »

Sorry if our mathematical skills are bit lacking.

Never too late to pick up a copy of “Sums and Logic for Dummies”, then maaybe comprehending this thread will become easier. In the meantime, I suggest you reread what I wrote to see why your and your friend’s replies made absolutely no sense in the context of this discussion about Ionity chargers.

September1 · 27-12-2019 12:18AM

Rafal wrote: »

No, that is not what I was saying, but it seems to me that you and Mike9832 are either mathematically challenged or you have already decided that running a car on diesel is cheaper than on electricity.

Not sure what you mean, but using Ionity with Maingau is comparable price with diesel - there is not much to add there. It also makes sense, EV technology should not evolve towards being mostly based on fast charging and I would expect that at some point this prices might be even higher, as cost of delivering bursts of power on demand can be significant.

I do not claim that diesel is cheaper. In worst corner case it is similar cost to electricity and in every other it is cheaper to use EVs.

unkel · 27-12-2019 12:49AM

September1 wrote: »

Not sure what you mean, but using Ionity with Maingau is comparable price with diesel

EV owners do not charge up at ESB or Ionity exclusively. The overwhelming majority would charge up at home for just 8c / kWh or at work or other places for free

The fact that Ionity / ESB prices are comparable to diesel is completely irrelevant

Maybe you understand now?

ELM327 · 27-12-2019 08:55AM

unkel wrote: »

EV owners do not charge up at ESB or Ionity exclusively. The overwhelming majority would charge up at home for just 8c / kWh or at work or other places for free

The fact that Ionity / ESB prices are comparable to diesel is completely irrelevant

Maybe you understand now?

I charged at ESB for the first time since charges were introduced yesterday.
I worked out that if I was to use this method of charging exclusively, it would still cost me less than diesel. Approx 50%.

September1 · 27-12-2019 10:09AM

unkel wrote: »

EV owners do not charge up at ESB or Ionity exclusively. The overwhelming majority would charge up at home for just 8c / kWh or at work or other places for free

The fact that Ionity / ESB prices are comparable to diesel is completely irrelevant

Maybe you understand now?

Why it is irrelevant? This is thread on Ionity, not about EV ownership in general.

Black_Knight · 27-12-2019 12:10PM

September1 wrote: »

Why it is irrelevant? This is thread on Ionity, not about EV ownership in general.

I'm not sure what this thread is about anymore

liamog · 27-12-2019 01:59PM

I plugged in my car at an Ionity station for 5s and received 0.1 kWh for €8. That means driving must cost €1, 250 per 100km.

Flying would be cheaper!

/s

September1 · 28-12-2019 11:42AM

I might have lost Maingau card in Athlone :-( if someone found one please let me know, thanks :-)

catharsis · 29-12-2019 01:00PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Instructions are wrong
Correct instructions are on plugshare
You must pay then connect the cable to the car

Having paid 5 times in Athlone last night I can confirm that this is NOT true, at least all the time.

Used the same charger 4 times with no effect, plugging in before and after paying, and all failed. (charger 4)

Plugged into charger 2 which immediately crashed as soon as I connected the Model3.

Plugged into Charger 1, THEN Paid, and had a completely successful charge, so the issue seems to be down to flakey chargers rather than anything else.

One clue in case it helps anyone else is that charger 4 did NOT offer NFC/contactless payments on the main screen, whereas the one that worked (charger 1) did offer that option , although I was using the ionity payment for my first Ionity charge.

ELM327 · 30-12-2019 10:40AM

catharsis wrote: »

Having paid 5 times in Athlone last night I can confirm that this is NOT true, at least all the time.

Used the same charger 4 times with no effect, plugging in before and after paying, and all failed. (charger 4)

Plugged into charger 2 which immediately crashed as soon as I connected the Model3.

Plugged into Charger 1, THEN Paid, and had a completely successful charge, so the issue seems to be down to flakey chargers rather than anything else.

One clue in case it helps anyone else is that charger 4 did NOT offer NFC/contactless payments on the main screen, whereas the one that worked (charger 1) did offer that option , although I was using the ionity payment for my first Ionity charge.

Was this through the app? seems to work best if you use their app.
I've found it works flawlessly if you use the app with paypal payment regardless of what order you use.

BigAl81 · 30-12-2019 10:56AM

Silent Running wrote:

Easier said than done. I've tried a few times to get one sent to me, without success.

Can anyone outline the way that worked for them?

I remember it being a bit of a curfuffle getting their website to accept my address in Dublin.

I think they are using German address validation.

I took a few attempts to register, and I used a full browser on my laptop rather than the phone.

I just kept entering my address and it accepted it eventually. I may have entered my postcode as all zeros in the end?

If you're stuck on a particular step let me know and I'll help you out!

charlieIRL · 30-12-2019 11:42AM

September1 wrote: »

I might have lost Maingau card in Athlone :-( if someone found one please let me know, thanks :-)

I’ll try go in that way on my way home today and see was it handed in.

September1 · 30-12-2019 01:34PM

charlieIRL wrote: »

I’ll try go in that way on my way home today and see was it handed in.

Thanks for help, I appreciate it :-)

On other subject I noticed that in chargepoint app it claims that cost of Ionity session is 6.18 Euro so it may be option if someone takes more that 15.45 kWh in a session.

PaulRyan97 · 01-01-2020 01:59PM

Haven't been following this too well, did Ionity deliver on this promise?

Irishjg · 01-01-2020 02:40PM

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

Haven't been following this too well, did Ionity deliver on this promise?

What promise, can you elaborate ?

KCross · 01-01-2020 03:59PM

Irishjg wrote: »

What promise, can you elaborate ?

I presume he means the title of the thread.

The answer to that is no, but tbf I dont think the thread title was a promise from Ionity.

They have 9 planned but they werent all promised to be installed by end of 2019. Its going to be another year or two before all 9 are in place.

I think we have 4 sites with two more in progress and each site has 4 chargers.... is that right? Not too bad I suppose.

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