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Runner that slapped reporters ass, is facing criminal charges

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 181 ✭✭Sarahdunners


    Uhm, women in Ireland are treated fine Sara

    No they are not. I lived in Ireland for the longest that I have lived anywhere, and there were so many problems for women while I was there. Maybe it has changed in the last two years - I hope so.

    In Ireland I left so many things because of men. I left being in a musical group because one of the men was sexually harassing me, I had to leave a drama group in Ireland because one of the men would joke every week about sexually assaulting the women there.

    Loads of friends there would cry to me about rape.
    There is a Majority male government, so chances of rape cases being prosecuted was minimal.

    Being spoken to with disrespect so many times.

    I bave to say that I am so happy that I don't live there anymore.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    No they are not. I lived in Ireland for the longest that I have lived anywhere, and there were so many problems for women while I was there. Maybe it has changed in the last two years - I hope so.

    In Ireland I left so many things because of men. I left being in a musical group because one of the men was sexually harassing me, I had to leave a drama group in Ireland because one of the men would joke every week about sexually assaulting the women there.

    Loads of friends there would cry to me about rape.
    There is a Majority male government, so chances of rape cases being prosecuted was minimal.

    Being spoken to with disrespect so many times.

    I bave to say that I am so happy that I don't live there anymore.


    Well, it's good you left


  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I bave to say that I am so happy that I don't live there anymore.


    The feeling is definitely mutual.


  • Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No they are not. I lived in Ireland for the longest that I have lived anywhere, and there were so many problems for women while I was there. Maybe it has changed in the last two years - I hope so.

    In Ireland I left so many things because of men. I left being in a musical group because one of the men was sexually harassing me, I had to leave a drama group in Ireland because one of the men would joke every week about sexually assaulting the women there.

    Loads of friends there would cry to me about rape.
    There is a Majority male government, so chances of rape cases being prosecuted was minimal.

    Being spoken to with disrespect so many times.

    I bave to say that I am so happy that I don't live there anymore.

    Name me a few of the problems that are specific to women.

    I obviously can't speak for the sexual harassment in the musical group but you left a drama group because of someone telling (admittedly inappropriate) jokes? That says more about you than him.

    A majority female government is your solution to rape cases being prosecuted? I don't think that is the case. Why? Would the judges still not be convicting based on evidence rather than gender?

    I would gather the reason you were spoken to with disrespect had less to do with your gender and more to do with the fact that people didn't respect you because of your character.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    There are some great points made here, some very interesting reading. A great many sensible opinions but also the topic has taken the predictable turn. In that some would view this in terms of his intent, not the impact on her. It has been argued by some that he meant no harm it's all in good fun, she's basically a spoil sport (or in need of a kick up the hole, wow) when it doesn't really matter what his intent was (which was obviously for his own jollies or showing off, at her expense). It is the impact it has that matters here. She has a complete right to not be touched or slapped in any way. She was doing her job, on live tv, and you can see that man cross over to her, appears to be looking down, his arm is completely lowered straight down and her reaction after is one of complete shock. It obviously affected her badly and she has every right to feel that way. You don't get that look from being hit on the back. The man's solicitor says he deeply regrets it, and the man himself apologised to her, her family, her friends and her colleagues. I quote: "it was an awful act and an awful mistake." He knows what he did. Very very few people ever make false claims about sexual harassment or assault. I think I've seen the statistic being compared before to lower than a lightening strike. Here it is on actual video yet some would doubt her word though you can clearly tell what happened. No wonder so many women never come forward. It can be on video yet some would try any angle to get him out of it.
    Out of curiosity I looked up the meaning of what is sexual assault in the US as that has been debated here too. According to a definition given by Planned Parenthood, they list someone "smacking your butt without your consent, or touching your butt without your consent" as sexual abuse or assault. The arse is clearly considered a private part and off limits. But honestly it's a no brainer. I have never slapped any woman be it a friend or a stranger on the arse, its actually not difficult to be respectful - which doing that is not respectful. The defence put up of this man by some here I'd say outs them as men who probably do the same and are feeling defensive. And this man isn't hung, drawn or quartered. He's actually not been punished in any way yet. But his actions of which he brought upon himself are now viral because he did it on live tv and that is his own fault. Everyone should know better. I'd say he already did know better, he just expected to get away with it as has been the status quo for far too long. But now things are changing. I hope fast enough for my daughter to not grow up being sexually harassed throughout her life like her mother has been. And my wife tells me same as most of her female friends. Some genuine cop on needed here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    ..yet some would try any angle to get him out of it....

    Yeah the urge to defend the guy and make it seem like the woman's fault for being slapped or making a fuss or being a spoil sport, is a really strange side to humanity.

    But you'll see the same posters who will be on the same side of any kind of incident like this. It's not all/most men. But there are a few who will always take the wrong side in these discussion. Any reason will do for these people. It's just what some people think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Yeah the urge to defend the guy and make it seem like the woman's fault for being slapped or making a fuss or being a spoil sport, is a really strange side to humanity.

    But you'll see the same posters who will be on the same side of any kind of incident like this. It's not all/most men. But there are a few who will always take the wrong side in these discussion. Any reason will do for these people. It's just what some people think.

    No one, not one person here, has blamed the reporter nor attempted to exonerate the cyclist.

    Most of us are simply saying that calling it sexual assault and battery is going too far. As is calling for the man to be jailed.

    The guy is a sleaze and an idiot. He’s not Harvey Weinstein.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    No one, not one person here, has blamed the reporter nor attempted to exonerate the cyclist.

    For once cyclists can't be blamed for this :pac:


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No one, not one person here, has blamed the reporter nor attempted to exonerate the cyclist.

    Most of us are simply saying that calling it sexual assault and battery is going too far. As is calling for the man to be jailed.

    The guy is a sleaze and an idiot. He’s not Harvey Weinstein.

    There's one poster who doesn't think he hit her at all, at least on on the ass. On the 'lower back' as a sort of motivational gesture, I think. Same poster thinks the reporter is a sadist. It's one thing overstating the incident, it's another thing utterly downplaying it like that.

    Battery is a legal term that describes deliberately striking someone. It's just a fact that it's illegal to go around slapping people. I can't run up behind someone and slap them and not face consequences. Neither can this guy. The exposure the incident has gotten is because this genius did it in front of a camera, so he only has himself to blame. It's really easy not to slap people but he went to the trouble to do it.

    Personally, I'm quite glad that it's illegal for people to give me a slap any time they feel like it. I'm sure there's a few who'd really love to.

    He shouldn't be shackled and whipped, but he did commit a crime. Not a major crime, but a crime all the same. And he should be punished for that and if it sends a message to anyone else who has trouble keeping their hands to themselves, then that's great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    No one, not one person here, has blamed the reporter nor attempted to exonerate the cyclist.

    Most of us are simply saying that calling it sexual assault and battery is going too far. As is calling for the man to be jailed.

    The guy is a sleaze and an idiot. He’s not Harvey Weinstein.


    I'm kind of blaming the reporter in regards to what is happening. She had a lot of power as a media jounralist and she decided to tar and feather him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,472 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    I'm kind of blaming the reporter in regards to what is happening. She had a lot of power as a media jounralist and she decided to tar and feather him.

    No, she decided to report the incident to police and have him charged, which she is perfectly entitled to do. How is she in any way to blue for being hit?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    No, she decided to report the incident to police and have him charged, which she is perfectly entitled to do. How is she in any way to blue for being hit?


    Hit:rolleyes:



    Did I say that she was blamed for being hit/slapped/groped/mistakenly tapped? I said that her reaction and spearheading a media campaign is pretty sadistic imo. You can talk about 'taking back your power' as much as you want, but it's creepy to feel a rush of power at somebody elses misery.



    I find it strange how people are so against criticising her actions afterwards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    ...but it's creepy to feel a rush of power at somebody elses misery.

    .

    And yet she’s being criticised because he did just that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    And yet she’s being criticised because he did just that.

    I feel like you're trying to turn it into victim blaming or something equally silly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Salary Negotiator


    I feel like you're trying to turn it into victim blaming or something equally silly

    Not at all. Just trying to apply some perspective.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    Hit:rolleyes:

    Did I say that she was blamed for being hit/slapped/groped/mistakenly tapped? I said that her reaction and spearheading a media campaign is pretty sadistic imo. You can talk about 'taking back your power' as much as you want, but it's creepy to feel a rush of power at somebody elses misery.

    I find it strange how people are so against criticising her actions afterwards.
    What I consider strange is that despite the video which caught her initial reaction, which was clearly that of someone who had been slapped on the ar$e, you have tried to argue that the camera angle wasn't clear enough and he probably gave her a motivational pat on the back :rolleyes: He's only miserable because he got caught on camera slapping someone's ar$e. Boo fcuking hoo. He is not in anyway a victim. That sort of behaviour doesn't manifest out of thin air. He thought it would be a laugh and it backfired spectacularly.

    Would you consider it acceptable to give any of your female colleagues a slap on the ar$e in the office? I'm guessing not because you know it would land you in serious trouble. Even if she wasn't working and was just a random spectator, it's still unacceptable behaviour. As for her reaction, it's not up to you to decide how she feels or behaves. Plenty of people don't like being touched, even by people they know and it's one of those social rules that people tend to understand. Being slapped by strangers isn't something that anyone I know would like or tolerate, especially in a private area. It's a complete violation.

    I'm sure you would be happier if she said "he behaved like an inappropriate as$hole but it was just a slap on the ar$e so let's all move on" but this is 2019 and the message is loud and clear - consent, consent, consent. Do not touch someone unless you have permission to do so. And never slap or hit anyone unless it's in self defence. It's really not that difficult to understand. And even if she was a massive drama queen who exploited the situation to the max, she can't decide his fate. That's up to the legal system so any legal ramifications are not on her.

    We look back at the 50's and laugh incredulously at the stereotype of the boss slapping his secretary on the ar$e and wonder how that behaviour was considered acceptable. 50 years from now hopefully people will look back and wonder how this was even up for debate and clearly this guy is in the wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    No one, not one person here, has blamed the reporter nor attempted to exonerate the cyclist.

    Most of us are simply saying that calling it sexual assault and battery is going too far. As is calling for the man to be jailed.

    The guy is a sleaze and an idiot. He’s not Harvey Weinstein.

    Yeah some posters put blame on her too. Some of the same posters are also trying to diminish the issue with what he did (some saying they thing he hit her lower back, some saying arse slapping isn't a big issue others saying he's being unfairly treated by being charged with a crime). So yes, some people have the situation all wrong.

    They're the same posters who exaggerate the 'punishment' the guy has gotten, even though he hasn't actually been punished at all yet. All that's happened so far is discussion on social media and he's been charged with assault (because he slapped a stranger and that counts as assault). He hasn't been tarred and feathered, crucified, imprisoned or any of the other imaginary punishments these people use to describe this poor guy. They're the same posters who reliably take the wrong side in any discussion like this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    Hmmmm, so there's sides to an argument rather than people having their own opinions?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Hmmmm, so there's sides to an argument rather than people having their own opinions?

    Yeah of course. You take that side in all these types of discussions. Poor bloke being picked on by the bag bad woman. The side you take is completely predictable regardless of the facts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    Yeah of course. You take that side in all these types of discussions. Poor bloke being picked on by the bag bad woman. The side you take is completely predictable regardless of the facts.


    I take it as I see it tbh. Eh, this is getting silly. Let's see what happens with the court case.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I take it as I see it tbh. Eh, this is getting silly. Let's see what happens with the court case.

    You say you take it as you see it but you're far too predictable for that to actually be true.

    On this thread alone you disputed that the crime should be a crime, blamed the woman for making a fuss online, then you decided you buy the guys solicitors version of events where he was just innocently slapping a stranger on the lower back but he has no idea where he hit her. And you exaggerate the "punishment" the guy has received and describe it in hyperbole.

    Maybe you actually believe you're just calling it as you see it and telling it like it is. But I certainly don't believe it.

    Guy commits a crime on camera, gets charged with the crime and you look for any old excuse to see him as the innocent victim. Calling it like you see it, indeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    You say you take it as you see it but you're far too predictable for that to actually be true.

    On this thread alone you disputed that the crime should be a crime, blamed the woman for making a fuss online, then you decided you buy the guys solicitors version of events where he was just innocently slapping a stranger on the lower back but he has no idea where he hit her. And you exaggerate the "punishment" the guy has received and describe it in hyperbole.

    Maybe you actually believe you're just calling it as you see it and telling it like it is. But I certainly don't believe it.

    Guy commits a crime on camera, gets charged with the crime and you look for any old excuse to see him as the innocent victim. Calling it like you see it, indeed.


    If you see the world in grey then it's very predictable to see grey. And 'indeed' (should I buy a monocle ;)) it is predictable if you simplify everything into weird sides.



    Good luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,086 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If you see the world in grey then it's very predictable to see grey. And 'indeed' (should I buy a monocle ;)) it is predictable if you simplify everything into weird sides.



    Good luck
    I don't recommended you buy I monocle. I also don't recommend you buy lawyers versions of events just because they suit your prejudice.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you see the world in grey then it's very predictable to see grey.

    It would generally be helpful for you to consider confirmation bias when you read or see these things. I don't mean that sarcastically, just that we can all become mired in a skewed way of interpreting events and when that happens we can stop being reasonable or learning to be even handed.

    Slap, smack and hit are interchangeable terms, it doesn't stop being a hit because he hit her on an intimate body part. He committed a crime, you can see him drop a shoulder to take aim in the video, and nobody else present supports his version of events. You seem to need to exonerate him or at least minimise his actions.

    Nobody is demonising 'men' here, this one particular guy committed a crime and now he'll face consequences, legally because the person he hit reported it, and socially because he did it in front of a camera and now everyone knows the kind of person he is. He's not the worst in the world and it's not the worst crime ever. He's one guy, luckily he doesn't represent all men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,065 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    echooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
    chamber ……
    FFS they just cant help themselves....
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