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Runner that slapped reporters ass, is facing criminal charges

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Yes I’m sure some women liked it. Some probably still do like it. But the important part is that you know you could be charged with a crime if you do it. Do you accept that?

    I never denied the existance of the law. But then some places have laws that justify the death penalty. I dont understand what you are trying to say this indicates.
    The discussion is about whether this is right and justified in this case. I would say no.
    In another case I might say yes.

    The reality is the intent is what is what makes the distinction. Say the guy had actually tripped and in falling accidentally touch a womans backside and this was caught on camera. I dont doubt that this case would be thrown out in that scenario.
    So what in fact was this guys intent is the big question here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Two questions I would have for her would be, has she ever had it happen before? Probably has, as most people have, male and female. Assuming it did, did she bring cases against those people too? Because if she didnt, then what changed here?
    It probably has happened before, you answered that question yourself.
    And the thing that’s different is the fact that it’s on camera do no need to go through the “he said, she said’. Pretty obvious of have thought.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    I hope it gets to court and the judge throws it out.

    There is a distinct difference in playfully slapping a reporters arse whilst running a marathon for the craic, than for example molesting a reporters arse in a nightclub or deliberately assaulting her.

    This entire item is garbage. It is really sad to see some posters even on this thread jumping on the "men are evil, this is an assault" angle, really sad.

    If she was a decent journalist she could have turned this around and made a laugh out of it, instead it goes viral for all the wrong reasons.

    It won't stop me slapping anyone's arse in the future either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    It probably has happened before, you answered that question yourself.
    And the thing that’s different is the fact that it’s on camera do no need to go through the “he said, she said’. Pretty obvious of have thought.

    Not necessarily. Bars have loads of cameras, as do streets. I would argue there would be far more sexual intent in those scenarios than some lad running a marathon on tele.
    The real difference is those cameras arent tv cameras...
    Is it not a possibility that her ego took a hit with it being caught on tv in what was supposed to be her time to shine, and that this is a reaction to that more than any sexual abuse angle? She first claimed sexual battery, now she has dropped the sexual part and is saying assault. Why would she do that if she felt she had been some sexual motivation. And if she didnt why claim it in the first place? I have no gripe in the world with genuine sexual battery claims, but this case stinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I never denied the existance of the law. But then some places have laws that justify the death penalty. I dont understand what you are trying to say this indicates.
    The discussion is about whether this is right and justified in this case. I would say no.
    In another case I might say yes.

    The reality is the intent is what is what makes the distinction. Say the guy had actually tripped and in falling accidentally touch a womans backside and this was caught on camera. I dont doubt that this case would be thrown out in that scenario.
    So what in fact was this guys intent is the big question here

    Right. He intended to slap her on the arse and then he did slap her on the arse. And slapping on the arse is against the law and now the law is in motion to charge the guy with exactly what he did. So I really don’t understand the confusion.

    It will be up to him to make his defence in court. He can pretend he tripped or that it was just a bit of fun and the woman should lighten up. That’s his prerogative.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I hope it gets to court and the judge throws it out.

    There is a distinct difference in playfully slapping a reporters arse whilst running a marathon for the craic, than for example molesting a reporters arse in a nightclub or deliberately assaulting her.

    This entire item is garbage. It is really sad to see some posters even on this thread jumping on the "men are evil, this is an assault" angle, really sad.

    If she was a decent journalist she could have turned this around and made a laugh out of it, instead it goes viral for all the wrong reasons.

    It won't stop me slapping anyone's arse in the future either.
    exactly couldnt take event at face value simple fun slap while passing by on cam, but feminists will over analyze this $hit into oblivion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Not necessarily. Bars have loads of cameras, as do streets. I would argue there would be far more sexual intent in those scenarios than some lad running a marathon on tele.
    The real difference is those cameras arent tv cameras...
    Is it not a possibility that her ego took a hit with it being caught on tv in what was supposed to be her time to shine, and that this is a reaction to that more than any sexual abuse angle? She first claimed sexual battery, now she has dropped the sexual part and is saying assault. Why would she do that if she felt she had been some sexual motivation. And if she didnt why claim it in the first place? I have no gripe in the world with genuine sexual battery claims, but this case stinks.

    Maybe you could offer to help her travel through bar footage to see if they bought anyone slapping her. But the fact is this case sees the guy slapping her and that’s about all that matters.

    You seem content that you’ve read her mind and it’s all about her ego. No point arguing with you on that because I don’t claim to be able to read her mind.

    The facts are there, the guy slapped her on camera and admitted he did it and slapping someone on the arse is against the law. So I really don’t see the cause of your confusion.

    Do you think he didn’t do it or do you think it’s not against the law?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭Technocentral


    We should rejoice that the days of men thinking they can do what they want to women is coming to an end, at least in the West.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    We should rejoice that the days of men thinking they can do what they want to women is coming to an end, at least in the West.

    It sounds like a false dawn if I am honest.

    It is just going to force Arse Slapping deeper underground.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,209 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Blah blah blah. Whatabout blah blah.

    Runner was a dope.

    Reporter is a total drama queen.

    They both deserve a kick in the hole.

    No, only he deserves a kick in the hole. A right hard one.

    She's done nothing wrong. Not sure how anyone can come to a conclusion that she equally deserves to be held in the same contempt as him.

    Criminal charges would be excessive all the same.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Sharp MZ700


    We should rejoice that the days of men thinking they can do what they want to women is coming to an end, at least in the West.

    You forgot to mention the days of women doing what they want to men in your post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭Homelander


    We should rejoice that the days of men thinking they can do what they want to women is coming to an end, at least in the West.

    It's really not much to do with that, and everything to do with people engaging in misjudged banter and playing to a camera.

    It's not a men versus women thing at all, it's something that inevitably happens when live TV is involved, usually in other formats (people shouting, making obscene gestures, mooning the camera, jumping in front, and so on).

    That's not limited to one particular sex and there are countless videos of women engaging in similar behavior to this case, but no big deal is made of it generally as it's seen as perhaps inappropriate behavior but also recognised as being without malice intended or as a sexual gesture.

    I mean surely context is important. Patting someone's bum as you run by - I'm not saying he should have done it, or it's OK, or its something I would do either. But it's a very different thing to a deliberate groping of the bum in a targeted sexual manner, seems absurd to me for both to fall under the banner of sexual battery.

    Some people seem very fixated on the fact that it's defined by law and therefore black and white but it's really not in a social or common sense context to me.

    As a man, a woman patting my bum in passing as an intended joke - however poorly judged - versus a full on grope in a clearly intended sexual context are not remotely comparable and shouldn't be treated the same.

    At first I solely thought the guy was an utter idiot for even chancing that on Live TV and that he deserved the backlash, but now I genuinely feel bad that his life's going to be utterly destroyed, the label of sexual offender will hang over him, and he's being painted in the same light as genuine, grave offenders.

    Not so much here, but in certain quarters of the internet I've even seen many, many suggestions that he's a danger to not just women but also kids - a sort of "he did this on live TV, what else is he capable of", as if it was some sort of sustained, violent assault captured inadvertently on camera.

    The fact it's become such a major news item when such genuine, deep-rooted inequality and sexual crime happens every minute of every day just annoys me no-end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,084 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I understand. But then, is getting the opinions of the girls father going to give an objective view of the thing?

    I get that you cant know how someone is going to react, but their is also a justified and unjustified reaction to things. If you applied that ethos across the board, nobody would do anything for fear of potential reaction, or in other words an over-reaction, which are not correct either. To put it frankly, getting a slap on the backside doesnt mean you can just react however you like.

    Your right.
    People should go round touching other people in places they don’t want to be touched. People that do that have to face the consequences that the law provides.

    He was wrong and is paying the price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Right. He intended to slap her on the arse and then he did slap her on the arse. And slapping on the arse is against the law and now the law is in motion to charge the guy with exactly what he did. So I really don’t understand the confusion.

    It will be up to him to make his defence in court. He can pretend he tripped or that it was just a bit of fun and the woman should lighten up. That’s his prerogative.

    And again I repeat, nobody is debating the existence of the law or how the judicial system works for that matter. What next? Will you tell us about his need for a solicitor and that some of them wear wigs?
    The debate is centred on the right and wrong of the the incident. We are aware that a legal case can be made. This is evident from the fact that a case is being made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,112 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    You call it a minor misdemeanour but it’s also a sexual crime. So it should be treated as a sexual crime at the lower end. Pretty simple stuff. The fact that it’s on camera means it’s impossible to deny.

    It’s a lower end sexual crime so treating it as a lower end sexual crime seems pretty reasonable to me. I’d say if the guy had thought about it he would never have done it. But that’s academic now because he did it and he did it on camera so it’s pretty clear.

    So if he slapped her really hard on the arse would we then move from sexual assault to actual assault. The fact you find classifying something like as any type of assault that says alot about the sad state of affairs that has developed in the last decade. He was wrong to do it but he doesn't deserve a criminal charge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Maybe you could offer to help her travel through bar footage to see if they bought anyone slapping her. But the fact is this case sees the guy slapping her and that’s about all that matters.

    You seem content that you’ve read her mind and it’s all about her ego. No point arguing with you on that because I don’t claim to be able to read her mind.

    The facts are there, the guy slapped her on camera and admitted he did it and slapping someone on the arse is against the law. So I really don’t see the cause of your confusion.

    Do you think he didn’t do it or do you think it’s not against the law?

    Read her mind. zzzz
    It is a discussion on the case. I and others have pointed out that there is evidence to suggest that her motivations are not what they seem. I have asked you if this was a possibility, you seem to believe that it is not a possibility. Surely it is yourself who is the mind reader then?

    For the third time, nobody is denying the existence of the law. That hasnt happened at any stage on the thread. Why do you keep referencing this as some kind of point if interest?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Hiitsme


    It wasn't just a pat though. It was a slap, on the bum, in front of crowds of people, on live TV. I know how that reporter feels. It is so degrading and humiliating. She is in shock and manages to regain her composure quite well. Not acceptable behaviour on any level. I've no doubt it wasn't the first time this man has touched a woman and justified it as a "friendly pat". Well, he got caught this time and must face the consequences.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Hiitsme wrote: »
    It wasn't just a pat though. It was a slap, on the bum, in front of crowds of people, on live TV. I know how that reporter feels. It is so degrading and humiliating. She is in shock and manages to regain her composure quite well. Not acceptable behaviour on any level. I've no doubt it wasn't the first time this man has touched a woman and justified it as a "friendly pat". Well, he got caught this time and must face the consequences.

    Burn him at the stake . Use bras for firewood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    .

    Whatever happened to common sense? :confused:

    Like not touching strangers without permission?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,484 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    _Brian wrote: »
    The thing is when he slapped her on the ass he had no idea how she would react.

    Slapping anyone on the ass has a sexual implication in the act, it might be fun and playful but there is that implication in the background.

    He took the risk she would be ok with it but she wasn’t. It’s 100% her right not to be ok with being n slapped on the ass, same issue it’s ok for some folk not care about it. But because some don’t care doesn’t mean everyone has to not care.

    He was majorly wrong in his actions, came up against someone who took serious issue with what he did.

    This seems trivial to some, but if you read the definition of sexual battery it definitely seems to fit.

    On a personal note this girl isn’t much older than my eldest and I’d be gunning for retribution if it happened to her.

    Would you want to slap his arse back?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭Hiitsme


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Burn him at the stake . Use bras for firewood.

    I do not want to see that man's life destroyed. I'm sure the reporter doesn't either. However, the penalty for sexual battery in the State of Georgia is as follows:

    Sexual battery is a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature, punishable by up to 12 months in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. A second or subsequent conviction for sexual battery or a conviction for sexual battery against a child under the age of 16 is punishable by one to five years’ imprisonment.

    It seems harsh to me but he committed the crime ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Hiitsme wrote: »
    It wasn't just a pat though. It was a slap, on the bum, in front of crowds of people, on live TV. I know how that reporter feels. It is so degrading and humiliating. She is in shock and manages to regain her composure quite well. Not acceptable behaviour on any level. I've no doubt it wasn't the first time this man has touched a woman and justified it as a "friendly pat". Well, he got caught this time and must face the consequences.

    Ive experienced it myself numerous times too. Add in the factor that it was a woman doing it to a man and how emasculating that would be and... actually I just dismissed her as a bit of a dose and never gave it a second thought. So there you go. Women dont have a monopoly on the thing.
    Re your last paragraph - wild speculation. We are adjudicating on the case in front of us


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,112 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Hiitsme wrote: »
    I do not want to see that man's life destroyed. I'm sure the reporter doesn't either. However, the penalty for sexual battery in the State of Georgia is as follows:

    Sexual battery is a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature, punishable by up to 12 months in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. A second or subsequent conviction for sexual battery or a conviction for sexual battery against a child under the age of 16 is punishable by one to five years’ imprisonment.

    It seems harsh to me but he committed the crime ....

    The fact you think that facing those consequences is reasonable just shows what a twisted sense of logic you have. Permanently offended I'd bet.
    I guarantee you have transgressed to the same extent at least once in your lifetime, the only difference being you weren't caught. I'm sure you think that nothing you've done was worth 5k or a year in jail though. Absolute b.s. of the highest standard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    _Brian wrote: »
    Your right.
    People should go round touching other people in places they don’t want to be touched. People that do that have to face the consequences that the law provides.

    He was wrong and is paying the price.

    Yes, and people are discussing whether it is an overly severe price he is to pay or not. This is the topic of the discussion.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,498 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Perhaps some men, like Mr. Arse grabber need it drilled home to them in the form of a criminal charge.

    Keep your effin' paws to yourself. In the street, office, park. Playfully or meaning no harm....keep your effin' paws to yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Hiitsme wrote: »
    I do not want to see that man's life destroyed. I'm sure the reporter doesn't either. However, the penalty for sexual battery in the State of Georgia is as follows:

    Sexual battery is a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature, punishable by up to 12 months in jail and a fine of up to $5,000. A second or subsequent conviction for sexual battery or a conviction for sexual battery against a child under the age of 16 is punishable by one to five years’ imprisonment.

    It seems harsh to me but he committed the crime ....

    If the reporter doesn't want to see his life destroyed for what we all consider to be excessive punishment then she can drop the case. If she is more concerned with gaining a persona as a powerful woman to aid her career, more than she cares about destroying the mans life, she can not only carry on with the case, but highlight it further on social media with regular updates...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    If the reporter doesn't want to see his life destroyed for what we all consider to be excessive punishment then she can drop the case. If she is more concerned with gaining a persona as a powerful woman to aid her career, more than she cares about destroying the mans life, she can not only carry on with the case, but highlight it further on social media with regular updates...
    Aye, it would have been more dignified imo to accept his apology and move on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    spurious wrote: »
    Perhaps some men, like Mr. Arse grabber need it drilled home to them in the form of a criminal charge.

    Keep your effin' paws to yourself. In the street, office, park. Playfully or meaning no harm....keep your effin' paws to yourself.

    Its not just men.

    I worked on the doors of bars and clubs in Templebar for over 20 years and have had my arse and balls groped by women literally hundreds of times.

    It never offended me tbh, but having your balls groped is damned sore but apparently to the girls doing it its bloody hilarious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,112 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    spurious wrote: »
    Perhaps some men, like Mr. Arse grabber need it drilled home to them in the form of a criminal charge.

    Keep your effin' paws to yourself. In the street, office, park. Playfully or meaning no harm....keep your effin' paws to yourself.

    Perhaps women should do the same. Men don't tend to press criminal charges in these cases though. Most lads would have had their arse grabbed or pinched by girls. More than a few would have had women having a grope of their package. So cut the evil men sh1t and get some perspective


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,498 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Its not just men.

    Yes of course it's not just men, but this thread is about a particular incident.
    If it stops one moron, male or female, pawing someone else, it's all good by me.

    Getting a bit sick of the constant whataboutery here.


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