Runner that slapped reporters ass, is facing criminal charges

Sardonicat · 15-12-2019 12:46PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

That is the thing though. I have heard women talking about guys where one was saying she fancied a guy but he wasnt 'confident' enough. When i asked how did she mean, she said well some lads would kinda touch your arm when talking to you, or give you a 'cheeky pat on the bum'. So i dont believe you can say that no woman ever enjoyed or wanted that behaviour. You cant actually speak for all women. What is the difference between the above 'cheeky pat' and your 'mauling grope'? Whether the woman fancies the guy or not?
I know that some are indeed sexual assualts, but it isnt across the board either. That is why I find this kinda bullheaded approach inappropriate. These things are nuanced.

There was nothing going remotely nuanced about the incident on the bridge though, was there? The guy was running behind the woman, who couldn't see him coming and whacked her, hard, on her ass as she was doing her job. Where's the nuance there?

Sardonicat · 15-12-2019 12:48PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Which would be an entirely different scenario...

What if he shot her?!

I'm trying to figure out why some people think it's OK to strike a certain parts of a woman's anatomy and not another.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 15-12-2019 12:48PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

Essentially, you are saying women should just put up with it.

She called him out on Twitter, and got around a million retweets and likes. She appeared on national news shows and talk shows to condemn his behaviour. He has been publicly named and shamed in the national media, and has been banned by the local sports council from entering any future races.

She hardly just "put up with it." He has also apologized to her and expressed remorse.

I don't see what else she has to gain by pressing criminal charges here.

Sardonicat · 15-12-2019 12:53PM

Lakefreeze__ wrote: »

Why are you saying "as a female". What I'm saying applies to men and women. Such incidents should be dealt with by adults themselves first before going nuclear on it.

You're being hysterical over something that is benign. Of course it's bad behaviour and shouldn't be accepted, but going straight to the police over a slap on the ass, pathetic.

How would you have dealt with it if you had been the reporter on the bridge?

MayoAreMagic · 15-12-2019 12:53PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

So you should just expect slapping across the ass as part and parcel of being female? Essentially, you are saying women should just put up with it. The fact that you think it shouldn't be shocking suggests you believe it is well within the bounds if normal and accectable male behaviour which is frankly, an insult to men.

Why do you jump to extremes? Nobody said that.
However, sometimes in life, sh*t happens and we need to be able to deal with it in the right manner. Ive actually had my backside pinched and slapped numerous times by women (and one man) over the course of my lifetime. What do you want me to do, break down crying every time? Charge them? What?

15-12-2019 12:55PM

What baffles me is her claim that he grabbed her. It is beyond argument that he slapped her backside as he jogged past, which he shouldn't have done, but for me her claim that he also grabbed her, in an impact that lasted for a fraction of a second, seems highly debatable.

8-10 · 15-12-2019 12:57PM

171170 wrote: »

What baffles me is her claim that he grabbed her. It is beyond argument that he slapped her backside as he jogged past, which he shouldn't have done, but for me her claim that he also grabbed her, in an impact that lasted for a fraction of a second, seems highly debatable.

His defence that he was trying to pat her on the back but accidentally made contact lower down is also debatable

blade1 · 15-12-2019 12:57PM

Sarahdunners wrote: »

How am I discrediting victims of sexual assault, when grabbing a bum is on the scale of sexual assaults?

It the USA grabbing a bum- is called sexual battery.
I have also seen a woman charge a man with sexual assault in Ireland - for him grabbing her bum.

Touching a vagina is worse for sure, but they are both in the scale if sexual assaults

He didn't grab her.
But keep trying to make it sound worse to help your agenda.
I've had my ass pinched and grabbed several times and a quick f off sufficed.
Needed no therapy afterwards.. didn't even lose a wink of sleep.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 15-12-2019 12:59PM

Some posters are essentially arguing that people should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for relatively minor infractions, which is a dangerous precedent.

I'd warrant that everyone on this thread has broken the law in some minor way in their lives, and I wonder how they'd like the same logic applied to them.

_Brian · 15-12-2019 01:01PM

The thing is when he slapped her on the ass he had no idea how she would react.

Slapping anyone on the ass has a sexual implication in the act, it might be fun and playful but there is that implication in the background.

He took the risk she would be ok with it but she wasn’t. It’s 100% her right not to be ok with being n slapped on the ass, same issue it’s ok for some folk not care about it. But because some don’t care doesn’t mean everyone has to not care.

He was majorly wrong in his actions, came up against someone who took serious issue with what he did.

This seems trivial to some, but if you read the definition of sexual battery it definitely seems to fit.

On a personal note this girl isn’t much older than my eldest and I’d be gunning for retribution if it happened to her.

Rows Grower · 15-12-2019 01:06PM

Sarahdunners wrote: »

I was posting on here, and then I was looking at what I have written.

I really do not want to turn it into a battle of the sexes.

"Women did this to men - and men did this to women." And then we start fighting each other all over again.

We are all human beings, and when we are all caring of each other , and caring about how each other feel, things will be great in the world.

It is not okay either side , for men and women to grab each other, and make anyone feel uncomfortable.

Maybe we can all learn from this

You're not on here a wet week and could be a man on a wind up for all anyone knows.

Don't lose the run of yourself and think anyone is taking you serious.

FishOnABike · 15-12-2019 01:21PM

Raconteuse wrote: »

She's right to be angry at him for doing that while she was reporting on live television, but this seems extreme. Sexual battery?

I thought that was what powered a vibrator?

threeball · 15-12-2019 01:25PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah, women shouldn't be touching your arse either. Maybe you don't mind being slapped on the arse, maybe you do mind. But if you don't see it as a big deal then that's ok, but you can't tell other people whats reasonable for them to feel.

The main thing about this case is the fact that it's on camera so there's no "woman alleges and man denys, #metoo. More #metoo nonsense".

The guy did it. Most people agree it's wrong to slap strangers arses. It's not a new development and I think there's very little room to get upset that he's being charged with doing the thing he admits he did.

Don't slap strangers arses. If you don't like having your arse slapped, feel encouraged by this case to be assertive.

Where did I say it wasn't a problem. I said he should rightly be called out. Does he deserve a criminal record for it, absolutely not. It's warped attitudes like yours that has created a world where everything is dissected in minute detail to find offence in virtually everything and take things like this minor misdemeanor to the extreme.

Sarahdunners · 15-12-2019 01:35PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

You're not on here a wet week and could be a man on a wind up for all anyone knows.

Don't lose the run of yourself and think anyone is taking you serious.

It is very strange that you would assume that everyone on the internet is a man.

Women do exist, you know.

Sarahdunners · 15-12-2019 01:37PM

blade1 wrote: »

He didn't grab her.
But keep trying to make it sound worse to help your agenda.
I've had my ass pinched and grabbed several times and a quick f off sufficed.
Needed no therapy afterwards.. didn't even lose a wink of sleep.

What agenda?

She was upset, and she pressed criminal charges.

How does how you felt, have anything to do with her?

MayoAreMagic · 15-12-2019 01:47PM

Sardonicat wrote: »

There was nothing going remotely nuanced about the incident on the bridge though, was there? The guy was running behind the woman, who couldn't see him coming and whacked her, hard, on her ass as she was doing her job. Where's the nuance there?

Well we can start by judging it on its merits as opposed to extremes. The intent was more a poor attempt at humour than having any sexual intention. So she neednt feel any fear about him in that regard, which was quoted as a big issue, ie being overpowered by a man looking for sexual interaction. She was also on television at the time, so again, no real fear of it going to escalate into any more than that. Therefore, she had no reasonable fear of that outcome in the scenario. So what is it then?

Two questions I would have for her would be, has she ever had it happen before? Probably has, as most people have, male and female. Assuming it did, did she bring cases against those people too? Because if she didnt, then what changed here?

The truth is what actually got hurt was her ego. Talk of taking away her 'power' indicates this. What power? Her power (and importance) as a big tv reporter maybe? Id be of the thinking that it was more 'how dare he do this to me on tv' and is now taking the sexual battery angle to just get back at the guy and build her own public image back up again. But is her bruised ego just cause for the criminal charge? Not to my mind. In fact Id consider it a bit of an affront to people who have actually been sexually assaulted and abused.

Rows Grower · 15-12-2019 01:48PM

Lakefreeze__ wrote: »

I've been headbutted and had my nose broken, needed surgery afterwards to straighten my nose. Went to the guards about it, nothing happened even though it was likely on camera. I don't really care though, it just gives me more confidence that a headbutt to the face isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Ultimately the guards are limited in their power and what they can do, that's just reality. So take personal responsibility, protect yourself and learn from your experiences.

If you had to have surgery to straighten your nose it must have been fairly bad, what were you expecting, brain damage?

Sarahdunners · 15-12-2019 01:54PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well we can start by judging it on its merits as opposed to extremes. The intent was more a poor attempt at humour than having any sexual intention. So she neednt feel any fear about him in that regard, which was quoted as a big issue, ie being overpowered by a man looking for sexual interaction. She was also on television at the time, so again, no real fear of it going to escalate into any more than that. Therefore, she had no reasonable fear of that outcome in the scenario. So what is it then?

Two questions I would have for her would be, has she ever had it happen before? Probably has, as most people have, male and female. Assuming it did, did she bring cases against those people too? Because if she didnt, then what changed here?

The truth is what actually got hurt was her ego. Talk of taking away her 'power' indicates this. What power? Her power (and importance) as a big tv reporter maybe? Id be of the thinking that it was more 'how dare he do this to me on tv' and is now taking the sexual battery angle to just get back at the guy and build her own public image back up again. But is her bruised ego just cause for the criminal charge? Not to my mind. In fact Id consider it a bit of an affront to people who have actually been sexually assaulted and abused.

You are missing the point.

A man has NO right to feel a woman's bum.

If you do - it is a sexual assault and you will be charged.

In Ireland too.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-12-2019 01:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not what was said.

But maybe have a bit of perspective. If you think a prison sentence is warranted for this, then I disagree with you.

Would you be more offended or want a similar full force of the law penalty if someone slapped you across the face? Or is a bum slap worse?

Take it up with the law. The individual doesn’t get to decide the charge.

It doesn’t have to be worse than a slap on the face. That’s why there are varying sentences. There are extreme end sentences for more severe crimes within the crime category. And there are higher sentences for less severe crimes within a category. But shur, you already knew that and were just pretending not to get it for the sake of the argument.

MayoAreMagic · 15-12-2019 01:58PM

_Brian wrote: »

On a personal note this girl isn’t much older than my eldest and I’d be gunning for retribution if it happened to her.

I understand. But then, is getting the opinions of the girls father going to give an objective view of the thing?

I get that you cant know how someone is going to react, but their is also a justified and unjustified reaction to things. If you applied that ethos across the board, nobody would do anything for fear of potential reaction, or in other words an over-reaction, which are not correct either. To put it frankly, getting a slap on the backside doesnt mean you can just react however you like.

Sarahdunners · 15-12-2019 01:59PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

I understand. But then, is getting the opinions of the girls father going to give an objective view of the thing?

I get that you cant know how someone is going to react, but their is also a justified and unjustified reaction to things. If you applied that ethos across the board, nobody would do anything for fear of potential reaction, or in other words an over-reaction, which are not correct either. To put it frankly, getting a slap on the backside doesnt mean you can just react however you like.

It does mean that you file criminal charges against the person , as it is listed as criminal behaviour.

You are NOT allowed to touch some one 's bum, under law.

scamalert · 15-12-2019 01:59PM

doubt she will have much career as reporter when she cant handle slap on the a$$, maybe covering traffic or weather in North Pole

:rolleyes:

some way worse situations reporters been in on youtube makes for great laugh and pretty much many recover on the spot, but sure snowflake and femi generation keeps making waves out of nothing.

MayoAreMagic · 15-12-2019 02:00PM

Sarahdunners wrote: »

You are missing the point.

A man has NO right to feel a woman's bum.

If you do - it is a sexual assault and you will be charged.

In Ireland too.

I never said he had a right to slap her bum. I pointed out her reaction was, to my mind over the top and motivated by something else.

Sarahdunners · 15-12-2019 02:01PM

scamalert wrote: »

doubt she will have much career as reporter when she cant handle slap on the a$$, maybe covering traffic or weather in North Pole :rolleyes:

some way worse situations reporters been in on youtube makes for great laugh and pretty much many recover on the spot, but sure snowflake and femi generation keeps making waves.

I actually think that the police and everyone, her workplace etc, took it quite seriously, and were on her side.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-12-2019 02:03PM

Treasure Sticky Weirdness wrote: »

She has come out with statements like "He took my power, and I'm trying to take that back." Supporters such as journalism professor Susan Walker have commented on the "workplace hazards" faced by female reporters, pointing to another incident in September where a man kissed reporter Sara Rivest at a music festival in Kentucky live on air. That man is also facing criminal charges.

Meanwhile, many journalists risk their safety and their lives daily in the course of doing their jobs. Others in their profession who are filing criminal charges and bleating about how someone "took my power" over minor incidents like this have no sense of perspective.

Want to see "workplace hazards"? Try reporting from Syria or Afghanistan for a few weeks.

Ok. I accept that some journalists face extreme danger. But who created the rule that no journalist can complain about anything unless they’ve been murdered?

It’s a crazy rule and I doubt you’d apply it broadly to other professions. Murdered journalists aren’t involved in this case. A journalist was slapped and that’s not the worst crime, but it is a crime. So it should be dealt with as the crime it is. It doesn’t need to compare to murder to be taken seriously.

Reviews and Books Galore · 15-12-2019 02:05PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Well we can start by judging it on its merits as opposed to extremes. The intent was more a poor attempt at humour than having any sexual intention. So she neednt feel any fear about him in that regard, which was quoted as a big issue, ie being overpowered by a man looking for sexual interaction. She was also on television at the time, so again, no real fear of it going to escalate into any more than that. Therefore, she had no reasonable fear of that outcome in the scenario. So what is it then?

Two questions I would have for her would be, has she ever had it happen before? Probably has, as most people have, male and female. Assuming it did, did she bring cases against those people too? Because if she didnt, then what changed here?

The truth is what actually got hurt was her ego. Talk of taking away her 'power' indicates this. What power? Her power (and importance) as a big tv reporter maybe? Id be of the thinking that it was more 'how dare he do this to me on tv' and is now taking the sexual battery angle to just get back at the guy and build her own public image back up again. But is her bruised ego just cause for the criminal charge? Not to my mind. In fact Id consider it a bit of an affront to people who have actually been sexually assaulted and abused.

Yeah, I posted something like this in another thread, but I'll repost it.

Yeah, this is the same if a woman slapped a man's arse, and then he dragged her into a bathroom, locked the door, kiced the crap out of her and, perhaps, broke her legs so she wouldn't be able to work for a few years. This is the soft skill version of that and, if that happened, of course people would say the response and sadism on display is absurd.

I actually think touching someone's bottom is worse than most people on this thread do, but I will not support this reporter and her ego power trip imo.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-12-2019 02:08PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

That is the thing though. I have heard women talking about guys where one was saying she fancied a guy but he wasnt 'confident' enough. When i asked how did she mean, she said well some lads would kinda touch your arm when talking to you, or give you a 'cheeky pat on the bum'. So i dont believe you can say that no woman ever enjoyed or wanted that behaviour. You cant actually speak for all women. What is the difference between the above 'cheeky pat' and your 'mauling grope'? Whether the woman fancies the guy or not?
I know that some are indeed sexual assualts, but it isnt across the board either. That is why I find this kinda bullheaded approach inappropriate. These things are nuanced.

Yes I’m sure some women liked it. Some probably still do like it. But the important part is that you know you could be charged with a crime if you do it. Do you accept that?

Reviews and Books Galore · 15-12-2019 02:10PM

Hmmmm, I just found out that Gloria Alfred is the ladies lawyer, and, tbh, I'm not suprised after seeing the reporters make up in later interviews. I find her clients have a very specific type of makeup imo.

Yeah, there's something going on here and I find it interesting that the reporters new twitter post is classing it as 'assault' rather than sexual assault.

MayoAreMagic · 15-12-2019 02:12PM

Sarahdunners wrote: »

I actually think that the police and everyone, her workplace etc, took it quite seriously, and were on her side.

How many of them did so for fear of being outed on tv or social media as someone who 'doesnt take sexual assault seriously' is a conversation that needs to be had though. This woman was in a position to do them damage if they questioned it. People are running scared of this kind of thing now. That isnt right either.

I repeat the question, did she ever report it to the same degree, if and when it happened previously? Because if she didnt, then Id have reservations about her motives. People will try to label that victim blaming, but id consider that hysteria. It is simply an analysis of relevant details.

El_Duderino 09 · 15-12-2019 02:18PM

threeball wrote: »

Where did I say it wasn't a problem. I said he should rightly be called out. Does he deserve a criminal record for it, absolutely not. It's warped attitudes like yours that has created a world where everything is dissected in minute detail to find offence in virtually everything and take things like this minor misdemeanor to the extreme.

You call it a minor misdemeanour but it’s also a sexual crime. So it should be treated as a sexual crime at the lower end. Pretty simple stuff. The fact that it’s on camera means it’s impossible to deny.

It’s a lower end sexual crime so treating it as a lower end sexual crime seems pretty reasonable to me. I’d say if the guy had thought about it he would never have done it. But that’s academic now because he did it and he did it on camera so it’s pretty clear.

Runner that slapped reporters ass, is facing criminal charges

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