M50 Congestion

First Up · 11-12-2019 07:59PM

MJohnston wrote:

Attacking the supposed use of buzzwords is just as petty. If you don't think carpooling would be effective in congestion reduction, instead just say so and say why. Otherwise you're not adding anything useful to this thread, only trolling.

Car pooling would have negligible impact on the M50. Nobody's journey starts and finishes on an orbital motorway.

I'm totally in favour of car pooling, public transport, bicycles and the rest but none are realistic alternatives to the role played by the M50.

sdanseo · 11-12-2019 08:02PM

First Up wrote: »

Agree - its infuriating but in the jam yesterday all 3 lanes were bumper to bumper and crawling.

Yes, but a middle lane hogger 10km ahead may have caused the accident which in turn caused your tailback.

Cause and effect.

First Up · 11-12-2019 08:35PM

sdanseo wrote:

Yes, but a middle lane hogger 10km ahead may have caused the accident which in turn caused your tailback.

Don't get me started on middle lane hoggers.

sdanseo wrote:

Cause and effect.

Yes, ALL accidents are caused

Zebra3 · 11-12-2019 10:06PM

Thargor wrote: »

If it's any consolation the air inside the metal box is worse...

It's not.

That's self-inflicted.

People, especially children, on the outside don't have any say in this slow war on their health.

MJohnston · 11-12-2019 10:23PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I admire your persistence MJ, it can't be easy arguing with posters who think that the M50 congestion is caused by bad driving.

Yeah it’s bizarre. This is my last post here though, unfollowing because nobody is actually looking for realistic solutions. Leave the trolls to their thread (and their M50).

First Up · 11-12-2019 11:25PM

Elmer Blooker wrote:

I admire your persistence MJ, it can't be easy arguing with posters who think that the M50 congestion is caused by bad driving.

Some congestion due to volume is inevitable. I've said that repeatedly. What isn't inevitable is traffic at a standstilI due to accidents.

I used the M50 yesterday while going from the airport to Blessington at 6pm. It was congested all the way but no accidents. We moved slowly but constantly. The full journey took an hour; that's less than it has taken me to cover 3 exits on the M50 after an accident.

LeinsterDub · 12-12-2019 09:44AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Not everyone wants to be on a bus or a bicycle. People complain about commutes all the time but maybe a bit of comfort can go a long way to making them bearable?

Not everyone wanted to use those new sewers they were building in the past. Luckily the majority had enough of a selfish minority making their **** everyone else's problem and banned them just throwing it out a window

First Up · 12-12-2019 10:10AM

LeinsterDub wrote:

Not everyone wanted to use those new sewers they were building in the past. Luckily the majority had enough of a selfish minority making their **** everyone else's problem and banned them just throwing it out a window

Do you see buses or bicycles as the solution to congestion on an orbital motorway?

LeinsterDub · 12-12-2019 10:37AM

First Up wrote: »

Do you see buses or bicycles as the solution to congestion on an orbital motorway?

Part of the solution, yes. I know plenty of people making trips from Finglas to Coolock via the M50 for example.

Also the NTA seem to agree with me and they are playing to run a bus on the M50 as part of Bus Connects

First Up · 12-12-2019 11:16AM

LeinsterDub wrote:

Part of the solution, yes. I know plenty of people making trips from Finglas to Coolock via the M50 for example.

Also the NTA seem to agree with me and they are playing to run a bus on the M50 as part of Bus Connects

A bus alternative sounds great as long as users have a way to get to the M50 to catch it. Where will the bus stops be?

cdaly_ · 12-12-2019 11:57AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Not everyone wants to be on a bus or a bicycle. People complain about commutes all the time but maybe a bit of comfort can go a long way to making them bearable?

However, neither Dublin city nor the environment in general can afford everyone being in a car instead.

Nijmegen · 12-12-2019 12:44PM

Took the bus this morning rather than drive. Apart from the mystery bus that was due, due, due and then never came I had 2 further buses rock up at the same time, both packed to the rafters. My missus takes the train and it's packed every morning. If we had a national everyone-get-off-the-M50 day I suspect it wouldn't go particularly well (and no, I couldn't cycle this journey). It's difficult to justify forcing people out of their cars when you probably couldn't accommodate them. Meanwhile, over in the Bus Connects thread I note that the plan is being ripped apart one good idea after another.

First Up · 12-12-2019 08:45PM

Nijmegen wrote:

Took the bus this morning rather than drive. Apart from the mystery bus that was due, due, due and then never came I had 2 further buses rock up at the same time, both packed to the rafters. My missus takes the train and it's packed every morning. If we had a national everyone-get-off-the-M50 day I suspect it wouldn't go particularly well (and no, I couldn't cycle this journey). It's difficult to justify forcing people out of their cars when you probably couldn't accommodate them. Meanwhile, over in the Bus Connects thread I note that the plan is being ripped apart one good idea after another.

Crowded buses and trains are part of urban life but at least there are buses and trains serving the routes you want to go.

I don't see that being replicated for those using the M50 as an orbital route.

I have described trips I made from Stillorgan to Clondalkin (half an hour on an accident free M50) and Dublin Airport to Blessington (an hour via M50), both at evening rush hour. These journeys would have taken several hours on public transport - to the point of being impossible.

Replicating the M50's role with public transport is just ideological nonsense.

LeinsterDub · 12-12-2019 11:30PM

First Up wrote: »

Crowded buses and trains are part of urban life but at least there are buses and trains serving the routes you want to go.

I don't see that being replicated for those using the M50 as an orbital route.

I have described trips I made from Stillorgan to Clondalkin (half an hour on an accident free M50) and Dublin Airport to Blessington (an hour via M50), both at evening rush hour. These journeys would have taken several hours on public transport - to the point of being impossible.

Replicating the M50's role with public transport is just ideological nonsense.

If we built metro west instead of the m50 upgrade it would be extremely easy by PT

First Up · 12-12-2019 11:40PM

LeinsterDub wrote:

If we built metro west instead of the m50 upgrade it would be extremely easy by PT

We didn't. Any other ideas?

LeinsterDub · 13-12-2019 12:15AM

First Up wrote: »

We didn't. Any other ideas?

Convert a lane into a bus lane

First Up · 13-12-2019 08:45AM

LeinsterDub wrote:

Convert a lane into a bus lane

And where do people catch the buses?

LeinsterDub · 13-12-2019 10:25AM

First Up wrote: »

And where do people catch the buses?

Just off the Junctions

First Up · 13-12-2019 10:47AM

LeinsterDub wrote:

Just off the Junctions

How do people get to them?

LeinsterDub · 13-12-2019 11:00AM

First Up wrote: »

How do people get to them?

You heard of these things called Buses right? Walking do know about walking ? What about Cycling ?

Stark · 13-12-2019 11:02AM

I think the question was how do the buses load and unload since pedestrians aren't allowed on the motorway itself. I guess the bus has to come off the motorway at every junction though I imagine that would get very frustrating for people commuting on it.

Edit: I guess looking the proposed route map, it's not a huge deal. Seems to be just one orbital route utilising the M50 which enters at J6, leaves at J7. Would be interesting to see how an orbital route using the full length of the M50 would work. I imagine you could make it work by building partially segregated bus stop infrastructure alongside the M50 but that would require changing from M to N status.

Edit2: misinterpreted the original question.

Tenzor07 · 13-12-2019 11:10AM

The simple answer to the above is Park n'ride bus pick up stations from major hubs such as from Ballymun near Ikea, Sandyford Ind., Naas Rd. Luas, people can either drive or get feeder buses to the P N'R hubs...
At least then you don't have as much single occupancy cars flooding onto the M50, and with a dedicated bus / car pool lane too that could work...

First Up · 13-12-2019 11:11AM

LeinsterDub wrote:

You heard of these things called Buses right? Walking do know about walking ? What about Cycling ?

So buses going to and from the M50 so people can catch another bus to go along the M50 for a bit and then catch another bus towards where they wanted to go in the first place. Same on the way home.

Or you cycle to the M50, lock your bike and hope there's a bike available at the other end so you can cycle the rest of the way. And hope your own bike is still there when you get back.

Sounds good.

LeinsterDub · 13-12-2019 11:13AM

First Up wrote: »

So buses going to and from the M50 so people can catch another bus to go along the M50 for a bit and then catch another bus towards where they wanted to go in the first place. Same on the way home.

Or you cycle to the M50, lock your bike and hope there's a bike available at the other end so you can cycle the rest of the way. And hope your own bike is still there when you get back.

Sounds good.

Doesn't it , almost European

First Up · 13-12-2019 11:17AM

LeinsterDub wrote:

Doesn't it , almost European

Europeans understand the difference between mass transport and an orbital motorway.

You don't.

LeinsterDub · 13-12-2019 11:22AM

First Up wrote: »

Europeans understand the difference between mass transport and an orbital motorway.

You don't.

I understand a orbital motorway can be used for the mass transport

sharper · 13-12-2019 11:41AM

Stark wrote: »

I think the question was how do the buses load and unload since pedestrians aren't allowed on the motorway itself. I guess the bus has to come off the motorway at every junction though I imagine that would get very frustrating for people commuting on it.

Running buses along the M50 was looked at as part of bus connects and was dismissed for that reason.

https://twitter.com/humantransit/status/1025133847208321024

https://twitter.com/humantransit/status/1026900207550705665

https://twitter.com/humantransit/status/1027563742593089536

AndrewJRenko · 13-12-2019 11:48AM

First Up wrote: »

Yes, ALL accidents are caused

Let's stop calling them accidents so. They are crashes or collisions, as used by the Gardai and the RSA and anyone who wants to stop letting bad drivers off the hook for the damage they cause.

https://crashnotaccident.com/

First Up · 13-12-2019 11:50AM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

Let's stop calling them accidents so. They are crashes or collisions, as used by the Gardai and the RSA and anyone who wants to stop letting bad drivers off the hook for the damage they cause.

Agreed. An accident is unintenional, not the opposite of deliberate

First Up · 13-12-2019 11:53AM

sharper wrote:

Running buses along the M50 was looked at as part of bus connects and was dismissed for that reason.

The same reason they don't run on orbital motorways in Europe.

M50 Congestion

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