2+2 dual carriageways - the story to date and future identity

marno21 · 05-12-2019 07:12PM #1

Interesting presentation on 2+2s here from TII's annual conference

The successes of the road type to date, its importance in the NDP and their future identity

https://www.tii.ie/tii-library/conferences_and_seminars/nrc/nra-nrc-2019/12-Eoin-Doyle-Arup-Presentation.pdf

IMO an expressway type branding would be very useful. There's a big differerence between generic national roads and 2+2s.

Chris_5339762 · 05-12-2019 08:25PM

Whoops

steeler j · 05-12-2019 08:35PM

Interesting stuff ,I like the idea of the Expressway signage

blindsider · 05-12-2019 10:46PM

Looks great - there's no road even remotely like that between Edermine and Oylegate; so bring on the Expressway!!!

Aontachtoir · 06-12-2019 04:14AM

Sounds good to me. Nice signage too. Although I would prefer the term "speedway" in English, to better reflect "luasbhealach." Just like the snelwegen in Flanders or Schnellstrassen in Austria. It might make the term a little quicker to catch on too.

Christy Browne · 06-12-2019 04:23AM

Aontachtoir wrote: »

Sounds good to me. Nice signage too. Although I would prefer the term "speedway" in English, to better reflect "luasbhealach." Just like the snelwegen in Flanders or Schnellstrassen in Austria. It might make the term a little quicker to catch on too.

Probably not the best idea for the name of a road to be honest, can you imagine the calls to Joe Duffy when the oul worriers hear that speedways are going up around the country.

The RSA would have a conniption also.

riddlinrussell · 06-12-2019 10:42AM

Segregated Cycle/ pedestrian facilities
are mandatory for 2+2 Dual
Carriageway schemes

I'd say this is news to many!

loyatemu · 06-12-2019 11:06AM

they could use the sign used in France:

generally means a 2+2 expressway but I think legally it means "motor vehicles only" and you sometimes see it on single carriageway roads as well.

hans aus dtschl · 06-12-2019 11:55AM

riddlinrussell wrote: »

I'd say this is news to many!

Paint on a circuitous 10km road detour counts as segregation, in their eyes.
I'm currently looking forward to the Carrigtwohill to Midleton "Cyclists PFO" facilities.

marno21 · 06-12-2019 12:02PM

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Paint on a circuitous 10km road detour counts as segregation, in their eyes.
I'm currently looking forward to the Carrigtwohill to Midleton "Cyclists PFO" facilities.

I’d be surprised if, by the time that scheme gets to ABP, they’d approve it without proper facilities for cyclists

hans aus dtschl · 06-12-2019 12:24PM

marno21 wrote: »

I’d be surprised if, by the time that scheme gets to ABP, they’d approve it without proper facilities for cyclists

God, I'll love if you were right.
The dangerously unusable designs of the Dunkettle and Dunkettle to Carrigtwohill schemes that it ties into gives me cold sweats at night though.

They plan to send cyclists through a housing estate in Carrigtwohill. It's effectively a case of "just get rid of them". Why they can't adhere to their own Cork Cycle Network Plan is a mystery to me.

2+2 dual carriageways - the story to date and future identity

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