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Dcully · 25-11-2019 11:40am #1

While watching these vids over the weekend i thought id link them both for anyone looking to buy a quality mouse during Black Friday.

Both well respected and know what they are talking about but Rocket Jump Ninja in particular knows a good mouse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE8OIMwjQw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nP3yPiWiSQ

RJN`s list including links to his reviews for each.

https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-mice

25-11-2019 12:20pm

Viper Ultimate all the way.

Kiith · 26-11-2019 10:32am

I need a new one as well, after the middle mouse button on my G502 stopped working properly. Might just buy that one again tbh, as i absolutely love it.

Dcully · 26-11-2019 10:39am

Kiith wrote: »

I need a new one as well, after the middle mouse button on my G502 stopped working properly. Might just buy that one again tbh, as i absolutely love it.

I bought the G502 this time last year as a backup and recently switched to it after my old mouse started to double click on a single click.
Ive grown to really like the G502, fingers crossed it lasts a while, how old is yours?

I reckon the logitech G pro wireless would feel similar for you, wireless i know but the wireless ones listed by RJN perform better than most wired :eek:

Kiith · 26-11-2019 11:03am

I can't remember exactly when i bought it tbh...it's 2-3 years old anyway, and to be fair to it...I've gotten about 4-5 years worth of use out of it :P

Talking with Logitech support to see if they are able to repair or replace it, as it may still be under warranty.

I've always gone with wired mice as i thought they were better...may have to reconsider that i guess.

Moon54 · 26-11-2019 12:10pm

In my experience Logitech support were very good, they replaced my Performance MX a few years ago, even though it was out of warranty.

If you are getting the "double click on a single click" it is usually the micro switch that is gone (or fluff/dirt is stuck under clicker).
It can be replaced if you are handy with a soldering iron. I did that to 2 of my MX's that were well out of warranty.
I had an older logitech mouse (PS2 connection!) to be a donor for the micro-switches and managed to replace mine.
It's a bit tricky, but do-able.

K.O.Kiki · 26-11-2019 2:25pm

I can confirm RJN knows his stuff.
One thing I don't think he talks about enough though are the mouse feet.

My Rival 310 felt better than the G305 (with Lithium AA) despite weighing more, simply because it glided better on my pad.

Also to anyone getting a mouse, I highly recommend getting an oversize mouse pad, i.e. big enough to fit both keyboard & mouse.
And it has to have stitched edges.
Final tip, hang it over your table so your wrist doesn't hit the edge.

ShadowHearth · 29-11-2019 6:46pm

I got myself a new laptop, so will be looking for a nice wireless mouse for it.
So I am one of those Death Adder pricks. You know, the ones, if it dies, we just get new one version of Death Adder.
Anything similar to it in wireless form, could ask misses as Xmas present.

gizmo · 29-11-2019 7:47pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I got myself a new laptop, so will be looking for a nice wireless mouse for it.
So I am one of those Death Adder pricks. You know, the ones, if it dies, we just get new one version of Death Adder.
Anything similar to it in wireless form, could ask misses as Xmas present.

Pretty much the same here however I got a Mamba Elite in work when they went on sale awhile back. It's a lovely upgrade from the DA and also has a Wireless version which is itself currently on sale. Judging by this there's **** all difference between the two. If you want to stay in the family and within a reasonable budget, I'd say it's a damn good choice.

ShadowHearth · 29-11-2019 9:32pm

gizmo wrote: »

Pretty much the same here however I got a Mamba Elite in work when they went on sale awhile back. It's a lovely upgrade from the DA and also has a Wireless version which is itself currently on sale. Judging by this there's **** all difference between the two. If you want to stay in the family and within a reasonable budget, I'd say it's a damn good choice.

Thanks, I threw a link to my misses. Hopefully she won't be to busy to order me one! :pac:

dreamers75 · 29-11-2019 10:15pm

G502 isnt on that list makes me suspicious, its a cracking mouse.

Its not the MX518 but its close.

Then I see logitech is down the table...... dunno lads something off there, Razor 1st????? is there a mouse-gate going on i dont know about.

ancapailldorcha · 29-11-2019 10:26pm

I still adore the Logitech G403 K.O.Kiki recommended for me. Best mouse I've ever had.

ShadowHearth · 30-11-2019 3:02pm

gizmo wrote: »

Pretty much the same here however I got a Mamba Elite in work when they went on sale awhile back. It's a lovely upgrade from the DA and also has a Wireless version which is itself currently on sale. Judging by this there's **** all difference between the two. If you want to stay in the family and within a reasonable budget, I'd say it's a damn good choice.

Well, cheers for that, my misses ordered it for me. Now wait until Xmas!

gizmo · 30-11-2019 4:08pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Well, cheers for that, my misses ordered it for me. Now wait until Xmas!

No worries man, hope you like it!

Skerries · 30-11-2019 9:55pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

Then I see logitech is down the table...... dunno lads something off there, Razor 1st????? is there a mouse-gate going on i dont know about.

yeah that always surprises me when looking at his list that one of the bestselling mice ever is not listed

Dcully · 01-12-2019 2:09pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

G502 isnt on that list makes me suspicious, its a cracking mouse.

Its not the MX518 but its close.

Then I see logitech is down the table...... dunno lads something off there, Razor 1st????? is there a mouse-gate going on i dont know about.

I use the G502 and while i love it its not a patch on the final mouse version 2 i had before, its not on the list either so thats even more suspicious if one wishes to look at it that way , i dont i just understand there are quality mice these days like never before.
Also the Logitech G Pro Wireless is number 3 and not down the list,Logi have 6 listed in RJN`s top 20.

Venom · 02-12-2019 1:26am

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I got myself a new laptop, so will be looking for a nice wireless mouse for it.
So I am one of those Death Adder pricks. You know, the ones, if it dies, we just get new one version of Death Adder.
Anything similar to it in wireless form, could ask misses as Xmas present.

I used to be a big supporter of Razer mice but the quality just isn't there these days. My Death Adder Elite started having button clicking issues after 10 months and the Mamba tournament edition I had prior to that, developed an issue where the sensor failed to recognize horizontal movement after less than a year. Moving to a Logitech G502 was an absolute eye-opener when it comes to the overall quality of the product. It's just so much better I'm raging I didn't pick one up sooner.

EoinHef · 02-12-2019 5:12am

Ive a 502 about 4 years now,still going strong.

If i had one complaint it would be that it has a small body for someone like me with big hands but thats about it.

Lu Tze · 02-12-2019 8:55am

The G402 Hyperion is down to about €21 on Amazon

02-12-2019 10:24am

Venom wrote: »

I used to be a big supporter of Razer mice but the quality just isn't there these days. My Death Adder Elite started having button clicking issues after 10 months and the Mamba tournament edition I had prior to that, developed an issue where the sensor failed to recognize horizontal movement after less than a year. Moving to a Logitech G502 was an absolute eye-opener when it comes to the overall quality of the product. It's just so much better I'm raging I didn't pick one up sooner.

I have the Viper Ultimate. It's bullet proof so far. Best mouse i've ever had.

K.O.Kiki · 02-12-2019 3:20pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

G502 isnt on that list makes me suspicious, its a cracking mouse.

Its not the MX518 but its close.

Then I see logitech is down the table...... dunno lads something off there, Razor 1st????? is there a mouse-gate going on i dont know about.

Skerries wrote: »

yeah that always surprises me when looking at his list that one of the bestselling mice ever is not listed

Dcully wrote: »

I use the G502 and while i love it its not a patch on the final mouse version 2 i had before, its not on the list either so thats even more suspicious if one wishes to look at it that way , i dont i just understand there are quality mice these days like never before.
Also the Logitech G Pro Wireless is number 3 and not down the list,Logi have 6 listed in RJN`s top 20.

https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/products/mouse/logitech-g502

The top selling mouse is apparently the Logitech G502. I don't really see it as a competitive FPS mouse but for general use, it's one of the best. The infinite scroll wheel really helps when I'm video editing and browsing folders and webpages. The extra buttons along with G-Shift in the software also allows me to bind shortcuts. It's all about productivity. I can still play games with it. I think it would be great for MMOs too. But being a Quake player, I go for smaller and lighter mice. If you aren't too competitive or you're happy just hitting quite good shots and the occasional insane shot, then this mouse will still be good in shooters. What I'm saying is, I don't think you will reach your absolute potential with this mouse, but you can still be very good with it. It's Logitech so it's a pretty solid mouse. Top optical sensor, good feel on the plastics and buttons. Great mouse. But it's heavy at 125g before you even add the weights. Thankfully the wireless isn't as much, so that's what I've focused this page on, it can get down to 112g. I use a two mouse set up so this is highly recommended as a main until you game. If budget is an issue, the G502 wired version is a great alternative for a second mouse. If you're worried about wireless, Logitech wireless is so good it's basically wired. Give it a try!

(emphasis mine)

And I agree with RJN - I have a G502 for photo editing/browsing, but when it comes to FPS games I switch to something smaller/lighter.

Recently got a Mamba wireless, before that I had Rival 310 & G305.

Kiith · 02-12-2019 10:26pm

Ugh, the heavier the better for me. Have all the added weights in my G502, and would put more if i could :P

Thargor · 02-12-2019 11:07pm

Paid €15 for this Perixx MX-2000II generic Chinese gaming mouse 4 years ago when I built my gaming pc and played every game worth playing since with it and its still going strong, no need to break the bank:

K.O.Kiki · 03-12-2019 1:42am

Thargor wrote: »

Paid €15 for this Perixx MX-2000II generic Chinese gaming mouse 4 years ago when I built my gaming pc and played every game worth playing since with it and its still going strong, no need to break the bank:

Bad advice TBH

Avago ADNS 9500 sensor is bad.

CoolerMaster Master Mouse MM520/MM530 have PWM3360 & cost less than €33.
Also Logitech G305 (wireless!), Gigabyte Aorus M3, Corsair Harpoon, CoolerMaster Master Mouse S, Steelseries Rival 110.

gizmo · 03-12-2019 2:04am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Recently got a Mamba wireless, before that I had Rival 310 & G305.

How are you finding the Mamba Wireless as a matter of interest?

BonnieSituation · 03-12-2019 2:25am

dreamers75 wrote: »

G502 isnt on that list makes me suspicious, its a cracking mouse.

Its not the MX518 but its close.

Then I see logitech is down the table...... dunno lads something off there, Razor 1st????? is there a mouse-gate going on i dont know about.

It still blows my mind when I see the MX518 pop up these days (even before the recent resurrection).

I flukely bought one with a build I did on komplett in 2007 because I liked the look of the shape of it. Little did I know that I'd be pushed to find anything as comfortable or as hard wearing as it is 12 years on.

It's still plugged in - with it's ridiculous cable - into the MSI downstairs, hasn't skipped a beat in all that time and has come everywhere with me in house moves, country moves and the rest.

Definitely up there with the Nokia 7200 flip phone as my all-time favourite pieces of tech I've owned.

ShadowHearth · 03-12-2019 2:25am

Venom wrote: »

I used to be a big supporter of Razer mice but the quality just isn't there these days. My Death Adder Elite started having button clicking issues after 10 months and the Mamba tournament edition I had prior to that, developed an issue where the sensor failed to recognize horizontal movement after less than a year. Moving to a Logitech G502 was an absolute eye-opener when it comes to the overall quality of the product. It's just so much better I'm raging I didn't pick one up sooner.

I would not call myself Razer fanboy, but Death Adder just stuck to me, the only Razor product I ever bought.
Years and years ago I bought a cheaper Razer mouse ( not death Adder )and loved it. Until I killed it myself... Nerd rage after bad StarCraft 2 match. I slammed poor thing in to the table. Was my first and last time I did something like that. Then I got Death Adder and felt in love with it, very comfortable, great accuracy and had only extra buttons I needed, no fluff or crap you don't need. It served me for years and I can't even remember how it died, but I got my money worth out of it. Decided to take other brand for a change, can't remember what it was, but it costed 100eu, weights and all gaming bloat on it. I hated it and it was not a patch on my old mouse. Not in quality, precision, ergonomics etc. A week later ordered another Death Adder and still use it to this day.
It's like a lottery with Razer stuff I guess, some people have no issue with them, others get only problems.
Really can't wait for that mouse to arrive, right now I am using cheap small Logitech wireless mouse. Had day off and played a bit, hand is cramping now...

TheValeyard · 03-12-2019 3:29am

Still using a Logitech G903. Absolutely love it. Never had an issue or a complaint. When it finally dies, I'll probably get the same type again

K.O.Kiki · 03-12-2019 1:02pm

gizmo wrote: »

How are you finding the Mamba Wireless as a matter of interest?

Seems fine so far, I'm playing a lot less FPS these days but had a 4-5hr session with no complaints.
Shape seems good, though it's a bit wide even for my hands - would be perfect for someone who plays with middle-finger-on-wheel.
No sensor issues in wireless.

JoyPad · 03-12-2019 3:22pm

Both me and the heir have had a G502 for the last 2-3 years. I think it's a great productivity mouse.
I got a G PRO Wireless and the charging pad for the son's birthday. I hope he likes it, alongside his G502, in a two mouse setup.

Venom · 03-12-2019 7:44pm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I would not call myself Razer fanboy, but Death Adder just stuck to me, the only Razor product I ever bought.
Years and years ago I bought a cheaper Razer mouse ( not death Adder )and loved it. Until I killed it myself... Nerd rage after bad StarCraft 2 match. I slammed poor thing in to the table. Was my first and last time I did something like that. Then I got Death Adder and felt in love with it, very comfortable, great accuracy and had only extra buttons I needed, no fluff or crap you don't need. It served me for years and I can't even remember how it died, but I got my money worth out of it. Decided to take other brand for a change, can't remember what it was, but it costed 100eu, weights and all gaming bloat on it. I hated it and it was not a patch on my old mouse. Not in quality, precision, ergonomics etc. A week later ordered another Death Adder and still use it to this day.
It's like a lottery with Razer stuff I guess, some people have no issue with them, others get only problems.
Really can't wait for that mouse to arrive, right now I am using cheap small Logitech wireless mouse. Had day off and played a bit, hand is cramping now...

I was a big Razor fan for over a decade as once you get used to their shape it's hard moving to a different brand. My Lachesis lasted me almost 8 years and still works to this day but the rubber on the buttons and back just wore off from use. The Mamba was an awesome mouse that felt great in the hand and looked the business to boot but the sensor going in less than a year I could put down to a fluke. The Deathadder buttons developing clicking issues again in under a year and seeing how widespread the issue was on various tech forums, killed off any thoughts of me picking up a Razor mouse again as their quality control is just garbage.

Dcully · 04-12-2019 11:26am

JoyPad wrote: »

Both me and the heir have had a G502 for the last 2-3 years. I think it's a great productivity mouse.
I got a G PRO Wireless and the charging pad for the son's birthday. I hope he likes it, alongside his G502, in a two mouse setup.

That will be a great setup,he will love it.
I have the G502 Hero but also added The Final Mouse ver 2 beside it, its ultra light and precise but crucially feels almost identical in hand to the G502.
Is it needed? no but The Final Mouse yields better ingame accuracey for me in fps games for sure.
Id imagine the G Pro being wireless will be an even nicer setup, thats a top class mouse with performance beating most wired mice despite being wireless.

Dcully · 04-12-2019 12:04pm

Anyone with a double clicking mouse check this out before binning your beloved mouse.

https://www.howisolve.com/how-to-fix-a-double-clicking-mouse-easily/

Worked great for me with when my final mouse developed double clicking with middle click.
Delighted as the precision of these high end ultra light mice really have to be seen/used to be believed.

Dcully · 10-12-2019 11:15am

As mentioned already i had been using the G502 Hero for about 5 weeks when my final mouse started to double click middle mouse but after watching a lot of RJN`s videos i looked into fixing my final mouse and managed to do so with the method above and now i fully see what ive been missing.
Going back to such a mouse was a real difference in fps games.
My aim is so much better with the final mouse in competitive Destiny 2 crucible ,BFV,CSGO,MW etc.
After quite a lot of research ive ordered the Glorious Model O- :P

Speaking of which overclockers have an offer of the Model O [thats the medium sized one] and you get a bungee free [i think thats like a cable hanger thingy]

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/glorious-model-o-gaming-mouse-black-friday-offer-save-over-20.18871608/

Anyone want a practically brand new G502 Hero ?

Canis Lupus · 11-12-2019 2:31pm

I bought the 903 and I'd struggle to go back to a wired mouse these days.

Dcully · 11-12-2019 5:16pm

I thought the same but with these ultralight mice a lot of emphasis is put into the cable, in terms of movement the cables on these things are is if they werent there at all.
Having said that the Logitech G pro and Viper Ultimate perform as good as top spec cables mice but are wireless so in that sense its hard to ignore but they cost about €90- €100 more.

TheDoc · 18-12-2019 8:56pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

G502 isnt on that list makes me suspicious, its a cracking mouse.

Its not the MX518 but its close.

Then I see logitech is down the table...... dunno lads something off there, Razor 1st????? is there a mouse-gate going on i dont know about.

Just thinking this

Mice are a very personal thing to be honest, a keyboard is a keyboard but a mouse that works for one person might not work for another.

Minute I saw a Razer mouse #1 I sighed

They are undoubtedly really nice to use and look really good (not as really standout anymore mind you) but their quality is still absolute dirt and there is really no justification anymore for their inflated price tag.

RJN is also a Quaker player, and there is pretty unique preferences for a twitch shooter like quake.

TheDoc · 18-12-2019 8:57pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It still blows my mind when I see the MX518 pop up these days (even before the recent resurrection).

I flukely bought one with a build I did on komplett in 2007 because I liked the look of the shape of it. Little did I know that I'd be pushed to find anything as comfortable or as hard wearing as it is 12 years on.

It's still plugged in - with it's ridiculous cable - into the MSI downstairs, hasn't skipped a beat in all that time and has come everywhere with me in house moves, country moves and the rest.

Definitely up there with the Nokia 7200 flip phone as my all-time favourite pieces of tech I've owned.

I still have my original 518, works perfectly, and bought the new model and its still in the box. Every now and then I throw my original 518 in for the laugh, it's still so nice to use

Dcully · 18-12-2019 9:04pm

I bought the Model O- and it incredible the difference it makes to fps shooters.
My G502 feels like a brick now.

18-12-2019 9:12pm

Dcully wrote: »

I bought the Model O- and it incredible the difference it makes to fps shooters.
My G502 feels like a brick now.

I found it too narrow for my hand. Think i'll hang on to it though just in case my Viper ****s the bed.

Dcully · 19-12-2019 11:45am

Did you get the Model O or O- ? If you got the O- maybe return it for the O?
I knew the O- was perfect for me as i compared dimensions to my final mouse.

19-12-2019 4:10pm

Dcully wrote: »

Did you get the Model O or O- ? If you got the O- maybe return it for the O?
I knew the O- was perfect for me as i compared dimensions to my final mouse.

I got the O-

Was cheap enough so will keep it in the collection. Thinking of getting the Xtrfy M4 next.

Dcully · 19-12-2019 6:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I got the O-

Was cheap enough so will keep it in the collection. Thinking of getting the Xtrfy M4 next.

Yeah a friend has that i tried it and it was very nice but i personally prefer the shape of the O- but they are all very similar at the top end.
Always good to have quality mouse as a backup

24-12-2019 9:57pm

So i took delivery of the M4. Dare i say it but i kinda prefer it to the Viper. :pac:

ShadowHearth · 27-12-2019 11:35am

I finally was able to sit down to play yesterday and it meant I can could try out my Razer Mamba.
First impression: It's not a Deathadder!!! Just joking. Actually really like it. Perfect size, very light, satisfying clicks and so much more precise, then old cheapy mouse I used.
Don't know how much battery will last. I charged it up fully and played a good bit. But sometimes tells me it won't last as long as old cheapy mouse, which I used for 2 years and haven't changed battery in it yet. :pac:

Can I just point out one thing? Why the hell they put stuff like 16000dpi on mouse?! It's unusable, it's usual marketing for men? More power?!

dreamers75 · 29-12-2019 1:37am

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Can I just point out one thing? Why the hell they put stuff like 16000dpi on mouse?! It's unusable, it's usual marketing for men? More power?!

I change all the DPI settings on mouse to be the same in case I hit the DPI changing button by accident.

its 4700 in most games I have to slightly tinker with mouse settings to change from being bait to actually killing other players.

nix · 29-12-2019 4:18am

dreamers75 wrote: »

its 4700 in most games

:pac::pac::pac:

I flip between 400 and 800 myself, depends on the type of FPS or character i play (overwatch) in a FPS.

tuxy · 29-12-2019 4:46am

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Can I just point out one thing? Why the hell they put stuff like 16000dpi on mouse?! It's unusable, it's usual marketing for men? More power?!

Yes it's just for marketing, the sensors are very accurate now so it's easy for them to allow very high DPI but it's not ideal for accurate use.

Probably best to use the native DPI of the mouse and change the in game sensitivity to what is comfortable for you. Most have a native DPI of 800 but I'm used to 400 so that's what I use and it seems ok.

I think the idea of lower DPI is that muscle memory can only be so accurate so lower DPI gives more consistent results.
Higher DPI may work well if you are a robot and not a human

ShadowHearth · 29-12-2019 1:40pm

That's my thoughts too. It was ages since I bought mouse, so I did not payed much attention to specs. Back then it was 6000 ish and it was a lot, even then unusable.
So I set my mouse now to something like 2500 or less. After setting it to 4700 it's unusable.

Definitely marketing thing.

Dcully · 29-12-2019 7:48pm

I use 1600 dpi and really low sensitivity in-game.Usually between 3 and 5.
Most pros run 800dpi and 6-10 in-game.
Havent tried that myself but I'm no pro .
For me it's the incredibly light feel and how a mouse glides aswell as feel in the hand that's most important.

TheDoc · 30-12-2019 11:40pm

6400 DPI here. Instantly notice if I accidentally click a side button that changes the profile to something slower.

I used to use lower DPI, but I just put it to 6400 and just forced myself to get used to it. But in the end it really doesn't matter as then it also depends how you set mouse sensitivity in game.

Interested to know what pros these days are running 800dpi, that's incredibly low and slow.

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