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Right Wing Grifters

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    #92
    [Deleted User]
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    And Alex Jones is hilarious..


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    #93
    20Cent
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    GreenandRed wrote: »
    Left wing for Americans. It's easy to be left wing when you have money in the bank.

    Americas most left wing politicians Bernie Sanders and AOC would be considered run of the mill normal in Europe. They would fit right into FF, FG or the Tory party. That they are called far left is because of the success of the right in painting them as such. They are not far left by any stretch of the imagination.


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    #94
    20Cent
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I can't be arsed trying to have a discussion with you.. It's like banging your head off a wall..

    Jung said "people don't have ideas, ideas have people".. It's a question of cognitive biases..

    You really are doing the cause no good calling those you disagree with names though..

    Who did I call names?

    Prove me wrong start naming some left wing equivalents.


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    #95
    20Cent
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    And Alex Jones is hilarious..

    Not so hilarious for the families of dead children getting death threats.


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    #96
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    20Cent wrote: »
    Throw up a video of him saying something wildly untrue for money then.
    You asked for left wing grifters.

    I provided somebody whose channel is left-biased long-winded rants aimed at the uninformed and gullible, with the patreon link present also.


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    #97
    Wanderer78
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    And Alex Jones is hilarious..

    hes not really, hes a fcuking idiot


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    #98
    20Cent
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    osarusan wrote: »
    You asked for left wing grifters.

    I provided somebody whose channel is left-biased long-winded rants aimed at the uninformed and gullible, with the patreon link present also.

    So you must have loads of examples of these then?
    Throw up some links.


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    #99
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    20Cent wrote: »
    So you must have loads of examples of these then?
    Throw up some links.




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    #100
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    osarusan wrote: »

    Whats untrue or wrong about that?


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    #101
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    20Cent wrote: »
    Whats untrue or wrong about that?
    You asked me to provide an example of one of Pakman's left-biased long-winded rants aimed at the uninformed and gullible, and I did that.

    It is exactly the behaviour you described in your OP:
    All they do is spread what they think their audience wants to hear and they lap it up.


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    #102
    GreenandRed
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Americas most left wing politicians Bernie Sanders and AOC would be considered run of the mill normal in Europe. They would fit right into FF, FG or the Tory party. That they are called far left is because of the success of the right in painting them as such. They are not far left by any stretch of the imagination.

    They're left by most American's imagination though. Sure Americans would have European Socialist branded as commies and locked up. Is it any wonder Trump wi be re-elected when the Demicrats don't have a credible candidate and the impeachment tribunal just gives him more PR. Illustrating the difference between educated and streetwise.


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    #103
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    It is very plain to see what you are doing 20Cent and you are arguing in a very disingenuous manner.

    You have been given examples of The Young Turks, Anita Sarkeesian, VOX, and numerous others. The fact that you don't see them as "grifters" is proof of one of two things.

    You either are:

    a) genuinely oblivious to it because of your own biases
    or
    b) aware of the lies and misinformation they spread, but they align with your beliefs so you tolerate it.

    If I was a betting man, I would put money on the former being true.


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    #104
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    osarusan wrote: »
    You asked me to provide an example of one of Pakman's left-biased long-winded rants aimed at the uninformed and gullible, and I did that.

    It is exactly the behaviour you described in your OP:

    He describes what trump said gave it context including video of trump saying it. All in a rational non shrill manner. That's the opposite of what I am talking about.

    I asked what he says that's wrong in it.


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    #105
    The Black Oil
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    Rave Dubin.

    A useful idiot for some.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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    #106
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is very plain to see what you are doing 20Cent and you are arguing in a very disingenuous manner.

    You have been given examples of The Young Turks, Anita Sarkeesian, VOX, and numerous others. The fact that you don't see them as "grifters" is proof of one of two things.

    You either are:

    a) genuinely oblivious to it because of your own biases
    or
    b) aware of the lies and misinformation they spread, but they align with your beliefs so you tolerate it.

    If I was a betting man, I would put money on the former being true.

    Throw up some links or examples then of these people lieing and spreading hatred for personal gain.


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    #107
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    20Cent wrote: »
    He describes what trump said gave it context including video of trump saying it. All in a rational non shrill manner. That's the opposite of what I am talking about.

    I asked what he says that's wrong in it.




    Me: Here's a left-wing grifter who has monetised telling people just what they want to hear.


    You: What he's saying sounds just fine to me.


    Me: ...


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    #108
    Tasfasdf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Tasfasdf


    20Cent wrote: »
    Throw up some links or examples then of these people lieing and spreading hatred for personal gain.

    What's the point of showing you when your so extremely left biased. You yourself say you are a member of antifa, a extreme left wing group.


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    #109
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    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    What's the point of showing you when your so extremely left biased. You yourself say you are a member of antifa, a extreme left wing group.

    hold on tight...

    incoming "Antifa is about combating fascists....its not a group....it's a movement... are you saying you don't oppose fascists? Because if you do, then you are Antifa"

    Same bull****, different day.


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    #110
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,934 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Tasfasdf wrote: »
    What's the point of showing you when your so extremely left biased. You yourself say you are a member of antifa, a extreme left wing group.

    I'm not a member of antifa FFS.
    Fake news.


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    #111
    Pherekydes
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    Are they not gripters? :pac:


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    #112
    20Cent
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    osarusan wrote: »
    Me: Here's a left-wing grifter who has monetised telling people just what they want to hear.


    You: What he's saying sounds just fine to me.


    Me: ...


    You don't seem to understand what a grifter is.
    Understandable.


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    #113
    suicide_circus
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    the prevailing mainstream orthodox school of thought in the media, entertainment, academia, business and amongst the lovies, wags and influencers is decidedly progressive, liberal and leftist.

    of course counter cultural forms of media and movements are going to appear. it was ever so. In the 60s the society was controlled by conservative curmudgeons and this spawned the well documented counter cultural revolution


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    #114
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    20Cent wrote: »
    You don't seem to understand what a grifter is.
    Understandable.

    This coming from a guy who has a very tenuous understanding of the word "fascist".

    Understandable.


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    #115
    suicide_circus
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    20Cent wrote: »
    You don't seem to understand what a grifter is.
    Understandable.

    maybe stop using Great Depression era slang you jive turkey


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    #116
    s7ryf3925pivug
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    It's about faith. That weird glorified voluntary state of delusion. Always been plenty of people falling for nonsense on both ends of the political spectrum. The only new thing is the rise of the rightwing pop sociologist/psychologist.


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    #117
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    As much as I despise these grifters that the OP is on about, I don't think it's fair to be pretending that the likes of Chopra, Palthrow, Sarkeesian and other lefty grifters are somehow different to the likes of Alex Jones or Ben Shapiro. Chopra is basically preacher selling quantum-inspired woo instead of Jesus, Palthrow sells literally the same stuff (rebranded, of course) as Jones while Sarkeesian and others like her are selling the same uninformed waffle masquerading as intellectualism in the same way as Shapiro. One of the most mind-blowing lefty grifters out there is Linda Sarsour, in my opinion. How this antisemite convinced a bunch of feminists that Islam was on their side is baffling but she did it.

    Anyway, point is, it's not right to claim that these lefty grifters are somehow less full of sh!t than those on the right - Chopra's stuff is downright laughable. It may not lead to shooting up Synagogues like that Shapiro fan but it's dumb, really dumb nonsense. And lets not forget that the antivax movement can be a predominantly lefty one depending on where you live and that movement kills.

    As far as I can see though, there is one major difference and that's their reach and audience. Most people here have never heard of Linda Sarsour but everyone knows who Tommy Robinson and Ben Shapiro are. You'll rarely see someone post a Sarkeesian video in response to a point but you'll see plenty of users who have difficulties stringing sentences together post videos of Robinson, Peterson or whoever. You'll never see anyone defend Palthrow but if you insult a rapey looking midget-thug with racism issues like Robinson, you'll have a heap of people pop up to defend him with low post counts making such moronic points that "He exposed muslim rape gangs".

    So yeah, while there's plenty of crazy on the left, it's far more on the fringes while the right-wing grift seems to be going more mainstream. You can clearly see it here. Find some like-for-like comparisons and compare how often they come up and in what context. For example, would it be correct to say that Louise O Neill gets the same support on here as the midget-thug Robinson?


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    #118
    ohnonotgmail
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    mcmoustache wrote: »
    As much as I despise these grifters that the OP is on about, I don't think it's fair to be pretending that the likes of Chopra, Palthrow, Sarkeesian and other lefty grifters are somehow different to the likes of Alex Jones or Ben Shapiro. Chopra is basically preacher selling quantum-inspired woo instead of Jesus, Palthrow sells literally the same stuff (rebranded, of course) as Jones while Sarkeesian and others like her are selling the same uninformed waffle masquerading as intellectualism in the same way as Shapiro. One of the most mind-blowing lefty grifters out there is Linda Sarsour, in my opinion. How this antisemite convinced a bunch of feminists that Islam was on their side is baffling but she did it.

    Anyway, point is, it's not right to claim that these lefty grifters are somehow less full of sh!t than those on the right - Chopra's stuff is downright laughable. It may not lead to shooting up Synagogues like that Shapiro fan but it's dumb, really dumb nonsense.

    Paltrow is a lefty? i've never heard her express political opinions. Chopra is new age woo but a lefty?
    mcmoustache wrote: »
    And lets not forget that the antivax movement can be a predominantly lefty one depending on where you live and that movement kills.
    The antivax movment that has a large christian conservative contingent is left?


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    #119
    listermint
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    I think what you mean is people don't start threads on here heralding any of those obvious loopers as right and just. But you have a weekly Tommy Robinson is justified and trump is he new Jesus thread.

    Guaranteed msm references thrown in for good measure.

    Your alt right if you use terms like MSM, or think trump as good ideas, or watch a certain fake Irish journalists videos and go yeah man why can't we say that freedom of speech or hold two twitter accounts and multiple boards accounts.


    Most other people are just busy doing their jobs and not caring about immigrants or welfare of whatever flavour of the week your troping on about


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    #120
    Kidchameleon
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    Anyone who thinks Alex Jones should have been banned does not beleive in free speech...

    Paul Joseph Watson provides sources in the description of all his videos but I guess its easier to call him a "grifter" than to face cold hard reality...

    Many of the "right wing" content creators mentioned here correctly predicted the Brexit result and Trumps victory, completely against the mainstream narritive.

    Alex Jones openly states that his content is entertainment by the way and also, he was frighteningly accurate about a few things years in advance...


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    #121
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,173 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks Alex Jones should have been banned does not beleive in free speech...

    Paul Joseph Watson provides sources in the description of all his videos but I guess its easier to call him a "grifter" than to face cold hard reality...

    Many of the "right wing" content creators mentioned here correctly predicted the Brexit result and Trumps victory, completely against the mainstream narritive.

    Alex Jones openly states that his content is entertainment by the way and also, he was frighteningly accurate about a few things years in advance...

    Did he predict that he would get the arse sued off him?


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