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  • #122
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    Dancewithme wrote: »
    Guaranteed the op is a civil servant. Get out of there. It takes a lot to suspend a civil servant. Not the job for you.

    If she was a civil servant they would suspend the boss with pay for questioning an employees performance.

    Staff would be threatening strike because somebody questioned their performance and they weren’t trained to answer.

    Staff would get a payrise once they were trained to answer.


  • #123
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    OP is not searching for an excuse to leave the company with money, at all. Where are you getting that from?

    focus on the minor issue, why don't you. :)

    OP is suspended with pay- depending on the outcome of the disciplinary hearing, she could leave with pay forgone- leaving OP out of pocket. :)

    It's not the central issue here, as you know, but hey, go for an argument why don't you.


  • #124
    Dancewithme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭Dancewithme


    Fair enough. There is definitely more to this than meets the eye.
    BDI wrote: »
    If she was a civil servant they would suspend the boss with pay for questioning an employees performance.

    Staff would be threatening strike because somebody questioned their performance and they weren’t trained to answer.

    Staff would get a payrise once they were trained to answer.


  • #125
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    BDI wrote: »
    If she was a civil servant they would suspend the boss with pay for questioning an employees performance.

    Staff would be threatening strike because somebody questioned their performance and they weren’t trained to answer.

    Staff would get a payrise once they were trained to answer.

    Does it say on thread OP is a Woman?


  • #126
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    anewme wrote: »
    Does it say on thread OP is a Woman?

    I’m not sure it’s important what she identifies as but yes I shared a urinal with her outside of stade de France during a time of civil unrest. Most definitely not male. Trying to sit down gave the game away.

    Why are you asking? Do you think she should decide whether or not to go to the meeting based on her gender?


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  • #127
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Tell me, I'm curious- why do you respect the OP?

    They have admitted they have made a complete and utter idiot out of their employer by crashing their customer service stats, and put additional pressure on other staff to pick up the pieces- they have also inferred that essentially, they're lazy, not sick, not mentally impaired in some way, not depressed, just lazy or at the very least, they've "grown apart from the company".

    And they're now searching for "an excuse" so that they can leave the company, with money, and their integrity intact and the chance to get employment elsewhere, potentially doing the same thing- i'm truly curious as to why you are supporting this poster.

    First paragraph is correct.

    Dunno where you got the last bit out of, where on earth did I say I'm searching for an excuse to stay for money?

    I want to not return, I don't even want to go back for the outcome meeting, hence the whole point of this thread.

    I was looking for advice to see if people would bother going back for the meeting or just continuing to look for new jobs.

    I dont want to go back at all, so not sure where ya gathered I was searching for an excuse to give, so I could stay.

    And in regards to doing the same thing, no, I've never worked in a call centre or done anything similar in the workplace like this before and don't intend to again.

    And yes, I'm a woman, mentioned this earlier I think.


  • #128
    joejoggs
    Site Banned Posts: 35 ✭joejoggs


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Tell me, I'm curious- why do you respect the OP?

    They have admitted they have made a complete and utter idiot out of their employer by crashing their customer service stats, and put additional pressure on other staff to pick up the pieces- they have also inferred that essentially, they're lazy, not sick, not mentally impaired in some way, not depressed, just lazy or at the very least, they've "grown apart from the company".

    And they're now searching for "an excuse" so that they can leave the company, with money, and their integrity intact and the chance to get employment elsewhere, potentially doing the same thing- i'm truly curious as to why you are supporting this poster.

    FFS, the OP is 21. Everyone makes mistakes.

    Hopefully OP will learn from there mistakes and what's done is done


  • #129
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dartboardio wrote: »
    First paragraph is correct.

    .

    Great- so thanks for confirming that you're lazy. You disputed that earlier with me but now you appear to agree.

    You were provided with advice on why you should go back to that meeting, and you essentially ignored all the good advice that you were provided with on that issue, and instead decided to side with those who were providing you with advice which would not give you good guidance in future employment.

    Take whatever advice you want at this stage but for future employment, enough people on this thread have advised you to attend the meeting and speak honestly.


  • #130
    Always Tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Always Tired


    OP, go to the meeting, definitely. Whether you want to stay or not.

    I've worked in a call centre and I know how draining and crap it can be. Having said that, I've been on the dole now since last December and if I was offered that call centre job again I'd grab it with both hands. At that time in my life I just hadn't worked in an environment where every action, every second, every statement was monitored, and that was just the company, not to mention the rude customers.

    I don't know what geographic location you are in, but if it isn't Dublin or somewhere jobs are plentiful, I would try and save my job, at least for a while. Despite the recovery blather it can be hard to get work, and losing it before christmas means unless you get seasonal work you'll be jobseeking in January. Which is just a non runner really. If it's not a case of you just can't handle the job mental health wise, try and save it.

    If you want to keep the job, then engage with them, take responsibility, endeavour to stop that behaviour, explain why you did it (burnout, dealing with a personal issue, whatever) but make clear you have put that behind you and want to recommit to the job and ask for another chance. As has been stated, they have trained you, and they know you. They may forgive you with a written warning.

    If you are already 'gone' in your head, then your attitude of just not bothering doesn't make the sense you think it does. In this case, you actually have nothing to lose. Not showing up will just confirm a lack of responsibility, maturity and accountability. Either way, facing the music will stand to you better in the long term.


  • #131
    Always Tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Always Tired


    The thought of these things, and the waiting, having it hanging over you, is always WAY worse than the actual event (ask anyone who has ever had to go to court for anything, usually with a minimum of 3 adjournments, dragging it out for a year or more).

    Running from it is the wrong course of action, but I understand it. Trust me, just get dressed and turn up. Even if you think there is no point, the next time you need to turn up for something similar, you will be better equipped mentally for having had this experience under your belt. Your desire to not go isn't because you think it's a lost cause, it's because you're, in your own words 'cowardly' or afraid. But there's no need. It's not a criminal court.

    Don't pass any heed about people saying you are better to quit than be fired. People in Ireland have this weird notion about that. It's not a death knell to be fired, and quitting without another job lined up will raise the same amount of eyebrows anyway. Dont worry about that or references. Jusr focus on doing the responsible adult thing now, don't compound one bad thing with another when you can take a step to avoid a total flameout. Even if you do get let go, you will feel better for trying. And you might be surprised how favorably they may look upon you for trying to make it right. People love a comeback story.


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  • #132
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joejoggs wrote: »
    FFS, the OP is 21. Everyone makes mistakes.

    Hopefully OP will learn from there mistakes and what's done is done

    What exactly have their age got to do with things?


  • #133
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    BDI wrote: »
    I’m not sure it’s important what she identifies as but yes I shared a urinal with her outside of stade de France during a time of civil unrest. Most definitely not male. Trying to sit down gave the game away.

    Why are you asking? Do you think she should decide whether or not to go to the meeting based on her gender?

    Why did you automatically assume gender?


  • #134
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    anewme wrote: »
    Why did you automatically assume gender?

    Again I didn’t. I know she is a 21 year old girl.

    You assumed I was an incel because I didn’t agree with you didn’t ye.


  • #135
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Great- so thanks for confirming that you're lazy. You disputed that earlier with me but now you appear to agree.

    You were provided with advice on why you should go back to that meeting, and you essentially ignored all the good advice that you were provided with on that issue, and instead decided to side with those who were providing you with advice which would not give you good guidance in future employment.

    Take whatever advice you want at this stage but for future employment, enough people on this thread have advised you to attend the meeting and speak honestly.

    Still don't know why you made up the second paragraph, but anyhow, why are you so against the fact that I've decided to go with not going to the meeting and just leaving? Just because I didn't agree with that opinion?

    It doesn't affect you which decision I make, so there's no need to be so persistent in calling me lazy or saying I'm ignoring others


  • #136
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dartboardio wrote: »
    Still don't know why you made up the second paragraph, but anyhow, why are you so against the fact that I've decided to go with not going to the meeting and just leaving? Just because I didn't agree with that opinion?

    It doesn't affect you which decision I make, so there's no need to be so persistent in calling me lazy or saying I'm ignoring others

    you started the discussion, not me.

    you started it in the Work and Jobs forum, which usually has a good record of providing good advice, and OP's looking for genuine advice.

    You were provided with the advice of attending the meeting- you ignored that advice but then turned on the people, like me, who provided you with that advice, by name calling- "snotty" or similar, is one word I seem to remember.

    Maybe next time, just thank the post and move on, and less of the name calling.


  • #137
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    BDI wrote: »
    Again I didn’t. I know she is a 21 year old girl.

    You assumed I was an incel because I didn’t agree with you didn’t

    It's not me making assumptions.

    where does it say she is a woman?

    A 21 year old is not "the girl" or "she".

    Referring to a 21 year old woman in the workplace as "the girl" or she (who"s she, the cats mother?)would not bode well.

    Ask Johnny.


  • #138
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    anewme wrote: »
    BDI wrote: »
    Again I didn’t. I know she is a 21 year old girl.

    You assumed I was an incel because I didn’t agree with you didn’t

    It's not me making assumptions.

    where does it say she is a woman?

    A 21 year old is not "the girl" or "she".

    Referring to a 21 year old woman in the workplace as "the girl" or she (who"s she, the cats mother?)would not bode well.

    Ask Johnny.

    It’s not her first post here. I know she is a 21 year old girl. I know you are a woman in your 40s or 50s, likes a glass of wine, a row, lives in Kildare I think, work in an office, travel
    Involved, used to carry a bit of weight and lost it for a time. I read boards threads like other people read the news, I know a lot of posters here.


  • #139
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    BDI wrote: »
    anewme wrote: »

    It’s not her first post here. I know she is a 21 year old girl. I know you are a woman in your 40s or 50s, likes a glass of wine, a row, lives in Kildare I think, work in an office, travel
    Involved, used to carry a bit of weight and lost it for a time. I read boards threads like other people read the news, I know a lot of posters here.

    Lol! Stalker alert.

    Are you calling me fat?


  • #140
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    anewme wrote: »
    BDI wrote: »

    Lol! Stalker alert.

    Are you calling me fat?


    Eh, what sort of wine do you like?

    Ever consider joining the Late Late Show thread discussion on a Friday night:D :D


  • #141
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    anewme wrote: »

    Eh, what sort of wine do you like?

    Ever consider joining the Late Late Show thread discussion on a Friday night:D :D

    I gave it up as I was TOO FAT!


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  • #142
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    anewme wrote: »
    BDI wrote: »

    Lol! Stalker alert.

    Are you calling me fat?

    No idea what you look like, I know Wibbs is skinny, srameen is a bit hefty but wouldn’t admit it, graces 7 might be a little old woman and Makikomi does karate or something, that’s off the top of my head. It’s probably a bit off topic though for the poor girl and her job and all. Threads not about you ye know.


  • #143
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    anewme wrote: »
    [Deleted User] wrote: »

    I gave it up as I was TOO FAT!

    Ah don’t- we accept all sorts on that thread- you’re more than welcome to join :D

    :P


  • #144
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    BDI wrote: »
    anewme wrote: »

    No idea what you look like, I know Wibbs is skinny, srameen is a bit hefty but wouldn’t admit it, graces 7 might be a little old woman and Makikomi does karate or something, that’s off the top of my head. It’s probably a bit off topic though for the poor girl and her job and all. Threads not about you ye know.

    My point was at 21, you are a woman in work (not a girl) and should be respected as that.

    Good luck OP.

    Call centres are tough, yòu have just discovered they are not for you.


  • #145
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    you started the discussion, not me.

    you started it in the Work and Jobs forum, which usually has a good record of providing good advice, and OP's looking for genuine advice.

    You were provided with the advice of attending the meeting- you ignored that advice but then turned on the people, like me, who provided you with that advice, by name calling- "snotty" or similar, is one word I seem to remember.

    Maybe next time, just thank the post and move on, and less of the name calling.


    I could say the same thing to you.


  • #146
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Miike


    anewme wrote: »
    BDI wrote: »

    My point was at 21, you are a woman in work (not a girl) and should be respected as that.

    Good luck OP.

    Call centres are tough, yòu have just discovered they are not for you.

    If we're getting all our P's and Q's in a row, you should at least have the decency to ask them what gender they are and what pronouns they wish to be addressed by....

    This is an online forum, I really don't think OP cares if you call them it she he we they her I he him or yoke - They were looking for a bit of advice on a work related issue.

    At the age of 21, did any of you ever do something stupid? :)

    There are plentyohtools in this thread.


  • #147
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dartboardio wrote: »
    I could say the same thing to you.

    I never called you snotty. :confused: or indeed any label that you didn’t admit yourself.


  • #148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Go to the meeting purely for the purpose of updating this thread on how it went!


  • #149
    BDI
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭BDI


    salonfire wrote: »
    Go to the meeting purely for the purpose of updating this thread on how it went!

    Thread looks like an AA meeting.


  • #150
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Miike wrote: »


    There are plentyohtools in this thread.

    Ah that’s a good one Michelle :P


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  • #151
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Miike wrote: »
    anewme wrote: »

    If we're getting all our P's and Q's in a row, you should at least have the decency to ask them what gender they are and what pronouns they wish to be addressed by....

    This is an online forum, I really don't think OP cares if you call them it she he we they her I he him or yoke - They were looking for a bit of advice on a work related issue.

    At the age of 21, did any of you ever do something stupid? :)

    There are plentyohtools in this thread.

    Referring to someone as "the girl" or 'she" is not acceptable in a work context. Context is everything and the context within that post is clear.

    If a 21 year old man had posted, he would not be labelled "the boy", nor should he be.


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