Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

S.M.B. · 26-11-2019 06:53PM

duffman13 wrote: »

Jones (I know), Young, Mata, Rojo and Romero are all players I think are fit who haven't had much game time, waste not bringing them because none of them will start the next match

Rojo is injured, he was supposed to be playing in Jones' spot in the back 3 all along until he managed to injure himself.

Lord TSC · 26-11-2019 07:05PM

Paul Hirt, The Telegraph.

Manchester United are expected to launch their bid to sign Erling Haaland when the transfer window reopens in January.

They have been tracking the 19-year-old for some time. United’s scouts have returned to the club’s hierarchy with favourable reports about the Norway striker, who has scored 22 goals in 16 appearances for RB Salzburg this season. While United tend not to bid for players in January it seems they are willing to make an exception for Haaland, who is the son of the former Manchester City player Alf-Inge Haaland. United had intended to bid for Haaland in the summer but it is understood that they will try to tempt the Austrian club into selling the forward in January instead.

Any deal could cost in excess of £60 million. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the United manager, is also keen on James Maddison although it is highly unlikely that he will bid for the midfielder in January as Leicester City are unwilling to sell him. Jadon Sancho, the Borussia Dortmund winger, is another long-term target who could be pursued in the summer, although he is tempted by a move to Spain. Real Madrid and Barcelona are understood to be interested in signing Sancho, 19, who left Manchester City for Dortmund in 2017.

There seems to be chatter he has a €30m release clause in the summer, but that we'd pay more in Jan in a bid to get him secured.

DM_7 · 26-11-2019 07:09PM

23

Just saw that is the age of United's oldest goalscorer this season.

That is mental.

y0ssar1an22 · 26-11-2019 07:42PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Paul Hirt, The Telegraph.

Manchester United are expected to launch their bid to sign Erling Haaland when the transfer window reopens in January.

They have been tracking the 19-year-old for some time. United’s scouts have returned to the club’s hierarchy with favourable reports about the Norway striker, who has scored 22 goals in 16 appearances for RB Salzburg this season. While United tend not to bid for players in January it seems they are willing to make an exception for Haaland, who is the son of the former Manchester City player Alf-Inge Haaland. United had intended to bid for Haaland in the summer but it is understood that they will try to tempt the Austrian club into selling the forward in January instead.

Any deal could cost in excess of £60 million. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, the United manager, is also keen on James Maddison although it is highly unlikely that he will bid for the midfielder in January as Leicester City are unwilling to sell him. Jadon Sancho, the Borussia Dortmund winger, is another long-term target who could be pursued in the summer, although he is tempted by a move to Spain. Real Madrid and Barcelona are understood to be interested in signing Sancho, 19, who left Manchester City for Dortmund in 2017.

There seems to be chatter he has a €30m release clause in the summer, but that we'd pay more in Jan in a bid to get him secured.

i hope if they're serious they will open up negotiations before the window opens.

yabadabado · 26-11-2019 08:12PM

What I've seen of Haaland he looks like a great prospect.Lot of money for a teenager but it's worked out well before.

A midfielder is what is needed the most,the current options are nowhere near good enough

I'd love to see Ndidi signed,not likely but hes been one of the best midfielders in the league this season.Been brilliant for Leicester .1

Lord TSC · 26-11-2019 08:14PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

i hope if they're serious they will open up negotiations before the window opens.

Ornstein said he’d heard rumors that he’d already visited United facilities (and Arsenal ones),so I’d say there is some discussions.

Edit. Can’t rmember if it was he visited, his father did or both. But there has been some links.

Drumpot · 26-11-2019 08:47PM

So we are just gonna keep loading up on kids. Well at least we should have a squad with a decent resale value....

I’d be curious to know what is the youngest average age squad ever to win a league or champions league. I like the idea of a youth strategy but United have taken a rip the bandaid approach to squad management that no top club that I can think of ever does.... United leading the way in alternative squad building.

xtal191 · 26-11-2019 08:49PM

I don't think he'll sign but if Haaland did, would that mean the end of Martial then?

26-11-2019 08:50PM

https://twitter.com/MikeLUHG_/status/1199207100557201408?s=19

Peatys · 26-11-2019 08:50PM

Drumpot wrote: »

So we are just gonna keep loading up on kids. Well at least we should have a squad with a decent resale value....

I’d be curious to know what is the youngest average age squad ever to win a league or champions league. I like the idea of a youth strategy but United have taken a rip the bandaid approach to squad management that no top club that I can think of ever does.... United leading the way in alternative squad building.

What was the average age of the utd team who shouldn't have won anything with kids?

BDI · 26-11-2019 08:51PM

xtal191 wrote: »

I don't think he'll sign but if Haaland did, would that mean the end of Martial then?

Martial to go the opposite way, light up the Swiss league and when rumors start up about Everton buying him, people here lose their sheeeiiit.

Father Hernandez · 26-11-2019 08:53PM

Drumpot wrote: »

So we are just gonna keep loading up on kids. Well at least we should have a squad with a decent resale value....

I’d be curious to know what is the youngest average age squad ever to win a league or champions league. I like the idea of a youth strategy but United have taken a rip the bandaid approach to squad management that no top club that I can think of ever does.... United leading the way in alternative squad building.

Chelsea currently hold the record for having the youngest squad ever to win the Premier league. They became Champions in 2005 with an average squad age of 25 years and 312 days under Jose Mourinho. (https://metro.co.uk/2016/05/28/chelsea-200405-under-jose-mourinho-were-youngest-average-premier-league-winners-5910733/) in 2016 article written but pretty sure hasn't been beaten since.

CSKA Moscow apparently the youngest to win a European Competition, the UEFA Cup in 2005 with average age 23 years 139 days (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4539188/Ajax-youngest-team-feature-major-European-final.html) Daily Fail I know

Can't find anything more online re English League or elsewhere.

Drumpot · 26-11-2019 09:02PM

Peatys wrote: »

What was the average age of the utd team who shouldn't have won anything with kids?

I’d say the average age of that squad was at least mid 20s. The headline was you can’t win anything with kids, but it was packed with experience.

Peatys · 26-11-2019 09:03PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’d say the average age of that squad was at least mid 20s. The headline was you can’t win anything with kids, but it was packed with experience.

Shows my age, i look back at that team as babies.

Drumpot · 26-11-2019 09:10PM

Peatys wrote: »

Shows my age, i look back at that team as babies.

I think it’s cause Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes were replaced with youth if I rememeber correctly?! (I’m sure Mitch will correct me if I’m misplaced). But that Squad Was riddled with the right kind of experience and culture to help the younger players... Was a young squad in fairness.

Lord TSC · 26-11-2019 09:34PM

Bruno Fernandes has signed a new contract with Sporting.

Wonder if its he wants to stay or he wanted a more definitive release clause put into his contract.

Whatsisname · 26-11-2019 09:36PM

xtal191 wrote: »

I don't think he'll sign but if Haaland did, would that mean the end of Martial then?

No, it just means he'll have competition.

Mitch Connor · 26-11-2019 10:39PM

I hate that @MikeLUHG_ fella more than any other United twitter account. Unrelenting negitive spin on absolutely everything. A horribly toxic account.

Mitch Connor · 26-11-2019 10:48PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I think it’s cause Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes were replaced with youth if I rememeber correctly?! (I’m sure Mitch will correct me if I’m misplaced). But that Squad Was riddled with the right kind of experience and culture to help the younger players... Was a young squad in fairness.

Not this time.

Schmeichel, Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Ince, McClair, Cantona all key players of that squad. Keane had a few years in him, Cole too. Giggs was still you be had a good bit of experience at that stage.

While there was an obvious injection of youth in Neville, Butt, Scholes and Beckham - they were backed up by experience and proper leaders and battlers.

Its why I rail against the youth only approach that either United are going for or people think they are - it CAN'T be youth only. We need to supliment the youth players with experienced guys around them.

The idea, I think, is that a squad should effectively have 3 (or so) age groups.
Young players.
Players in their prime.
Experienced older leaders.

As the older players cycle out you replace with young players, with the current groups (in general terms) moving up a level each cycle. Jones and Smalling, for example, would have been players that United had expected or hoped would be the players in their prime, allowing someone like Tuanzebe to be the young player in the group below them.

In midfield you could look at McTominay - No One - Matic, as an example of the problem in the squad. I would suppose Fred is supposed to be the middle player?

Minime2.5 · 26-11-2019 11:14PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Ornstein said he’d heard rumors that he’d already visited United facilities (and Arsenal ones),so I’d say there is some discussions.

Edit. Can’t rmember if it was he visited, his father did or both. But there has been some links.

Was Smough able to back these rumours up?

Cantona's Collars · 27-11-2019 10:15AM

So apparently Jose wants one of the hottest properties in football as DOF at Spurs. Campo from Lille who has done an amazing job in unearthing talent which so far has gone on to be sold for half a billion.
The kick in the nuts is that Jose wanted him at United but Woodward wouldn't even interview the guy, another incompetent footballing decision by the man.

Hococop · 27-11-2019 10:22AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

So apparently Jose wants one of the hottest properties in football as DOF at Spurs. Campo from Lille who has done an amazing job in unearthing talent which so far has gone on to be sold for half a billion.
The kick in the nuts is that Jose wanted him at United but Woodward wouldn't even interview the guy, another incompetent footballing decision by the man.

Didn't Ed say Jose wanted to do it all himself, you knew Ed was full of ****

Mitch Connor · 27-11-2019 10:53AM

Hococop wrote: »

Didn't Ed say Jose wanted to do it all himself, you knew Ed was full of ****

Which was clearly shown to be a lie when Jose was fired and nearly a year later no DoF was brought in, never mind one not being appointed prior to hiring a manager.

It was, and always will be, a lie that Woodward intended to modenise the sporting structure at United.

pjohnson · 27-11-2019 10:54AM

That new spurs manager didnt take shít. Hooked Dier in the first half when things weren't working.

limnam · 27-11-2019 11:01AM

pjohnson wrote: »

That new spurs manager didnt take shít. Hooked Dier in the first half when things weren't working.

Can't believe we got rid of this guy.

BDI · 27-11-2019 11:08AM

pjohnson wrote: »

That new spurs manager didnt take shít. Hooked Dier in the first half when things weren't working.

He does the same at the start of each managerial tenure as far as I remember. Was it Shaw at United?

27-11-2019 11:08AM

limnam wrote: »

Can't believe we got rid of this guy.

Here's another one for the worst kept secrets in football

https://twitter.com/LawTop20/status/1199237528940888065?s=19

BDI · 27-11-2019 11:14AM

Why is Woodward our talking to the press so much last couple of days.
Why can’t he say

“Just like arsene Wenger at arsenal I hire managers who will say they have money but don’t want to spend it. The target is mid table and each month I have a meeting with the managers and ask them how we can cut costs.

Getting the running cost of the club down is great for the analysts who set the share prices. When we hit the sweet spot where we can drain another Organisation better than this one and our share price is good we will sell. But only then.

Drumpot · 27-11-2019 11:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Here's another one for the worst kept secrets in football

https://twitter.com/LawTop20/status/1199237528940888065?s=19

Neville asked the question last summer and all season, who is the person over ruling the manager on transfers. Who at the club are in a position to say with confidence that they know better then Jose Mourinho? I think we all know who thinks they know best.

This club is ruined until Woodward and/or the Glazers leave.

It’s such a horrible position to be in as a United fan. I don’t want Ole to fail because I want him to fail, but I don’t want him to succeed to a point where the club is limping on maybe getting the odd top 4 and decent cup runs. I don’t want it to be “well he’s doing well with what he has to work with” as it just buys the owners more time to just get united fans used to mediocrity.

When I’m watching united play, I find it hard to not root for them but there is a part of me that wants things to go very very very badly wrong. I mean relegation fight wrong. Some might find this hard to believe but sometimes for things to get better they have to get worse. The only thing that’s changed since last season is we have sacked a proven world class coach and are offloading most senior and quality proven players who it appears are very happy to leave. That’s the reality and yet some are convinced that it’s all part of the “new” plan.

As somebody said, it really is the hope that kills you. In my head, at least the next 3 years are a write off and not because I think the club is doing anything meaningful to address its issues.

Drumpot · 27-11-2019 12:03PM

BDI wrote: »

Why is Woodward our talking to the press so much last couple of days.
Why can’t he say

“Just like arsene Wenger at arsenal I hire managers who will say they have money but don’t want to spend it. The target is mid table and each month I have a meeting with the managers and ask them how we can cut costs.

Getting the running cost of the club down is great for the analysts who set the share prices. When we hit the sweet spot where we can drain another Organisation better than this one and our share price is good we will sell. But only then.

He was out waffling around September aswell when there was some discourse about the transfer window being not enough. That’s what he does, public relations.

Propaganda works, even when people think they are wise to it, you can see it works particularly when so many fans still think the Ole project is part of some major restructure Master plan the club has started. Anytime there is some sort of trouble you see rag papers and click bait sh*te quoting Woodward with a “nothing to see here, Everything’s grand and what you think you know or see is not the case, trust me” type statement. I’d say he laughs his head off at how easy it is to manipulate and thus neuter some of the fans ire.

At this stage I think he’s just a egotistical over glorified accountant whose goal is to squeeze as much out of the club by any means necessary. That includes over riding the request of a proven world class coach Because 2nd spot and qualifying for champions league is more then enough for the owners.

I’m so sick of how the club is being run into the ground on and off the pitch.

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