Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

Zeek12 · 25-11-2019 10:54AM

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

Look, I’ll just say that it’s not me that is looking at things through a tinted lens. You need to completely forget about the end of last season. There were lads absolutely phoning it in. It was pathetic. If you look at this season separately then I think my points hold more water. It’s a results game though so can understand peoples frustration.

I do see a lot of positives though. It’s not nearly as bad as being made out. We are just very inconsistent

I think that's fair.
A lot of young players in the side so you'll always expect a level of inconsistency.

We've lost a lot of points quite softly this season, either from just not being clinical enough (a number of missed penalties). Or an inability to close games out.
There is a pattern where we give up crucial goals very late in games.
Like yesterday, like against Palace and Liverpool too.

An extra 6 or 7 points would have had us knocking on the door for Top 4.

The last few weeks have underlined how limited our midfield options are, especially with a few injuries. This needs to be addressed.
As does the centre forward position. I just don't think Martial - talented as he is - has the tough edge needed to be a real top class forward at the highest level.

But we're not very far away - a couple of additions in the right areas would make a big difference to this team.

Cantona's Collars · 25-11-2019 11:04AM

The commentators kept bringing up the stat of no away league win since Fulham back in February.
That's on par with relegation fodder teams,not the standard Manchester United are expected to have.

Whatsisname · 25-11-2019 11:13AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

The commentators kept bringing up the stat of no away league win since Fulham back in February.
That's on par with relegation fodder teams,not the standard Manchester United are expected to have.

Well we beat Norwich away a few weeks ago so I'm not sure where they've pulled that from. But I cant think of any others off the top of my head.

Strumms · 25-11-2019 11:17AM

Weepsie wrote: »

I agree that the young players shouldn't be getting shot, but they shouldn't be getting so heavily relied on anyway. Nor at the same time should players like Jones, Rojo or Young.

This, the team is build around a nucleus of kids with no experience and a lot to prove and who are just developing and NOT the finished article and rank bang average players who are past it... like Jones, Young, Mata, Matic....

Where are the world class quality 26 year olds ? Ambitious signings, game changers ?

And... then there is Chris Smalling... absolutely tearing up Serie A, goal scoring, match winning, playing the football of his life and playing with a real aggression, ambition, determination and quality he looks like a beast over there. WHY ? Why not under Jose or Ole ?

v3ttel · 25-11-2019 11:27AM

markc91 wrote: »

Tuanzebe must not have been fit enough to start also garner had been carrying an injury, only reason jones started

Ole said that in his interview before the start. I have to believe that he only started Jones because he literally had no other option.

Rojo - injured
Axel - recovering from injury and not fit to play
Bailly - just back in training after a long term injury.

If we persist with playing the likes of Jones (who is horrendously bad) and Andreas Periera (who tries hard, but is just not up to it) then we're not going to see any improvement. Combine them with older players who are no where near the level needed (Matic, Young, Mata)....... then we have what we have. A very mediocre side.

Zeek12 · 25-11-2019 11:31AM

Weepsie wrote: »

We're further away now than at any point since Ferguson left. Anyone thinking otherwise is deluded.

A player here would make the difference. Jose, Moyes or LvG didn't get that sort of mental gymnastics.

Nonsense.

LVG and JM both received very substantial funding to completely rebuild the squad. Many star names brought in.

If we're further behind than ever it's due in large measure to mismanagement of our transfer policy by the club and managers over a number of years - and that includes the many duds these two managers landed us with.

Lukaku sulked his way out of the club. Pogba disinterested. Matic well past it. Bailly an absolute crock. Sanchez a complete flop. Fred fearful and terribly inconsistent. Shaw another sicknote......I could go on.

Two of the three signings last summer have hit the ground running in style and are still very young with room for improvement.

Anyone expecting this mess to be remedied in just one transfer window needs a reality check

25-11-2019 11:34AM

v3ttel wrote: »

Ole said that in his interview before the start. I have to believe that he only started Jones because he literally had no other option.

Rojo - injured
Axel - recovering from injury and not fit to play
Bailly - just back in training after a long term injury.

If we persist with playing the likes of Jones (who is horrendously bad) and Andreas Periera (who tries hard, but is just not up to it) then we're not going to see any improvement. Combine them with older players who are no where near the level needed (Matic, Young, Mata)....... then we have what we have. A very mediocre side.

In line with the management team so!

Will I Am Not · 25-11-2019 11:42AM

Here’s a good one lads. Andreas Pereira has started 11 of the 13 league games and came on as a sub in another.
Some craic :pac:

Mitch Connor · 25-11-2019 11:45AM

The Tuanzebe sub. going back to 5 at the back after it sucking all first half.... is just insanity from Solskjaer. We had no shape in midfield or attack after that.

I could understand Martial coming off, but it should have been Garner brought in to midfield - keeping the defence as it was, adding a body into midfield and providing some balance/shape to that area of the pitch that had been abandoned in search of goals. What was the front 4? Fred, James, Greenwood, Rashford - where is the reasoning in what that midfield forward is going to do?

The 11 that ended the match, in terms of make up, was just inviting pressure on, which brought about the goal.

Bandana boy · 25-11-2019 11:46AM

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

The commentators kept bringing up the stat of no away league win since Fulham back in February.
That's on par with relegation fodder teams,not the standard Manchester United are expected to have.

That is Spurs !

Jurgen The German · 25-11-2019 11:53AM

Truth.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/manchester-united/eamonn-sweeney-united-must-be-brave-and-wave-goodbye-to-solskjaer-and-there-is-only-one-man-to-replace-him-38722415.html

Ashbourne hoop · 25-11-2019 11:55AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The Tuanzebe sub. going back to 5 at the back after it sucking all first half.... is just insanity from Solskjaer. We had no shape in midfield or attack after that.

It was a chicken **** sub from Solskjaer and he got what he deserved from it.

Headshot · 25-11-2019 12:07PM

Jurgen The German wrote: »

Truth.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/manchester-united/eamonn-sweeney-united-must-be-brave-and-wave-goodbye-to-solskjaer-and-there-is-only-one-man-to-replace-him-38722415.html

"Pochettino is the perfect fit for United. If ever an appointment seemed a no-brainer, bringing him in to replace Solskjaer is it. This is a watershed moment, a golden opportunity to halt an apparently remorseless slide into mediocrity"

Nail on head

Invincible · 25-11-2019 12:09PM

If Ponch comes in, could Ole take director of football role?

bucketybuck · 25-11-2019 12:20PM

Invincible wrote: »

If Ponch comes in, could Ole take director of football role?

No, why on earth should he?

limnam · 25-11-2019 12:22PM

Headshot wrote: »

"Pochettino is the perfect fit for United. If ever an appointment seemed a no-brainer, bringing him in to replace Solskjaer is it. This is a watershed moment, a golden opportunity to halt an apparently remorseless slide into mediocrity"

Nail on head

Did Spurs not spiral into mediocrity

v3ttel · 25-11-2019 12:42PM

I like Pochettino, he did a very good job over multiple years at Spurs.........but to play devils advocate.

I wonder what the people calling for Pochettino would think if we had 14 points after 12 games?

Of if they've be happy if we took 9 points from 14 away games in the current calendar year?

Or how they would feel about appointing a manager who has never won a trophy?

Seeing as those are the the reasons for wanting our current manager out. IMHO, this "golden opportunity" is hyperbolic BS. There is no magic wand or silver bullet to fix the problems at MUFC.

Bandana boy · 25-11-2019 12:49PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, why on earth should he?

I have heard of worse ideas
On paper recruitment quantity under ole may be a problem but the moves in and out he has made are all correct

While tactics appear to be where he is falling down .

Keep the good work he is doing in rebuilding the squad , keep the faith with his supporters including the media pundits , and replace the tactical naivety

Cantona's Collars · 25-11-2019 12:55PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Well we beat Norwich away a few weeks ago so I'm not sure where they've pulled that from. But I cant think of any others off the top of my head.

Yeah,I thought it was odd too,they said it at least twice but brought up a contradictory stat of 1 away win since then.
Iirc that's when we beat Palace at the end of February.

PhlegmyMoses · 25-11-2019 01:11PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The Tuanzebe sub. going back to 5 at the back after it sucking all first half.... is just insanity from Solskjaer. We had no shape in midfield or attack after that.

I could understand Martial coming off, but it should have been Garner brought in to midfield - keeping the defence as it was, adding a body into midfield and providing some balance/shape to that area of the pitch that had been abandoned in search of goals. What was the front 4? Fred, James, Greenwood, Rashford - where is the reasoning in what that midfield forward is going to do?

The 11 that ended the match, in terms of make up, was just inviting pressure on, which brought about the goal.

Tuanzebe went into the midfield right? At least that was what it looked like

25-11-2019 01:20PM

Tuanzebe is not a midfielder if that's what the plan was
We had no shape or structure for the majority of the game never mind towards the end of the game

Invincible · 25-11-2019 01:42PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, why on earth should he?

He's been an outstanding player for the club.
He'd have the best interests of the club at heart.
Why give the job to an outsider with no history in the club?

bucketybuck · 25-11-2019 01:47PM

Invincible wrote: »

He's been an outstanding player for the club.
He'd have the best interests of the club at heart.
Why give the job to an outsider with no history in the club?

Because they are better qualified?

I could give you a list of former players a mile long that qualify for the job under those criteria, but frankly that would be a horrible way to fill what would be a very important role.

Proven experience and previous success in similar roles is the only criteria worth a damn.

Mitch Connor · 25-11-2019 02:05PM

Invincible wrote: »

He's been an outstanding player for the club.
He'd have the best interests of the club at heart.
Why give the job to an outsider with no history in the club?

Isn't that the argument for him being manager too - look at how that is working out!

Invincible · 25-11-2019 02:21PM

I suppose the general consensus then is there is no role at the club for Ole.
I agree the results are dismal.
With the squad at his disposal, what difference will another managerial change make?

All_in_Flynn · 25-11-2019 02:23PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tuanzebe is not a midfielder if that's what the plan was
We had no shape or structure for the majority of the game never mind towards the end of the game

This is just nonsense. We did have a shape and structure. It’s just players in key areas let us down.

The two major ones are jones and Andreas. The midfield were out fought and gave away possession too easily. James got into great positions in the 1st half for counters but his decision making and execution were awful and everything that went into Martials feet came back cause he doesn’t hold it up well enough.

There was a definite plan in 1st half. It just didn’t work.

Jurgen The German · 25-11-2019 02:23PM

v3ttel wrote: »

I like Pochettino, he did a very good job over multiple years at Spurs.........but to play devils advocate.

I wonder what the people calling for Pochettino would think if we had 14 points after 12 games?

Of if they've be happy if we took 9 points from 14 away games in the current calendar year?

Or how they would feel about appointing a manager who has never won a trophy?

Seeing as those are the the reasons for wanting our current manager out. IMHO, this "golden opportunity" is hyperbolic BS. There is no magic wand or silver bullet to fix the problems at MUFC.

When Klopp left Dortmund he was on the back of a poor season, didnt mean he was a bad manager, just meant that things had gone stale and that happens, it happened at Arsenal and save for the genius of the GOAT, it would have happened with us years ago.

Is Poch the right answer for us?

Honestly, I dont know. Having not gotten over the line trophy wise would certainly be at the back of my mind however he has done well at a lower level team in the Saints and a mid level team in Spurs.

He was financially impeded at both but at United he would have the biggest team in the country with alot of financial fire power behind him. More than that however, he has a vision of how he wants his teams to play, Ole looks bereft of anything resembling tactical nous.

He could come in and it would simply not work, thats the risk with any manager but one thing is for sure, Ole is not working and I do not believe he will ever get it to work. We are 9 points off 4th already with City and Spurs to play in the next 3 games, we will be fortunate to get 4 points out of these games which will leave us on 21 with almost half the seasons games played.

Mitch Connor · 25-11-2019 02:47PM

All_in_Flynn wrote: »

There was a definite plan in 1st half. It just didn’t work.

And with that being obvious, very quickly, its infuriating that Ole waited until HT to do something.

Even when he said after the match that he wanted to sub all 11 at HT.... if things were going that badly WHY TF did you do nothing about it til HT.

Brendan Flowers · 25-11-2019 02:48PM

Plenty of people rule out Ole for a Director of Football position saying he has no experience. But what is the required experience? He has overseen probably the most successful transfer market Utd have had post Ferguson. He isnt afriad to clear out big name players that arent performing or justifying their salary. It also looks like he is going to generate millions for the club due to signing Smalling up to a long term contract last year (unless they decide to bring him back (Yes I know Jones' contact doesnt look like such a good move though). He does have a vision for the club and a certain type of player that he wants to recruit. That's a consistency that the club didnt have with pervious managers signing.

He also appears to have a very good relationship with the current players and board. He already has a scouting network in place. And he also genuinely loves the club. I'm sure he as much as anybody wants to see Utd back on top and would give the job his all.

But as we saw again yesterday one of his biggest weaknesses is tactics. I dont think he's cut out to be a manager but that in no way means he couldnt be a successful DoF. And Im sure plenty would ask why he'd even consider taking what would be seen as a demotion? Well, I dont have the stats on it but Im guessing DoF tend to last much longer than managers. He could stay as manager for another 6 months and get sacked by the club. Or he could move into a DoF role now and be at the club for the next 5 or 10 years.

Mitch Connor · 25-11-2019 02:51PM

Jurgen The German wrote: »

He was financially impeded at both but at United he would have the biggest team in the country with alot of financial fire power behind him. More than that however, he has a vision of how he wants his teams to play, Ole looks bereft of anything resembling tactical nous.

Would he? In theory, yes. But just look at the summer gone. Did we act like a team with a lot of financial fire power? Add in last january, summer 2018 and January 2018. Do United act like a club with massive financial strength or one working to moderate net spend?

Net spend in summer 2018 and 2019 very similar. Coincidence?

Sure we spent big on Maguire and AWB - but we sold Lukaku for a fair wedge. Let Herrera leave without replacing him (having sold and not replaced Fellaini) and loaned Sanchez out without replacing him. Not only did we take in a good sum of cash from the Lukaku sale - we substantially reduced the wage bill.

At United would Poch really have that much more financial power? Or would he have his hands tied behind his back like the last few United managers have had.

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