The Mandalorian

faceman · 16-11-2019 7:28pm

Good god looks like I’m in the minority.

It’s awful. Really awful. I’ve seen both episodes.

I’m just going to spoiler my whole post from here.

Acting

The guy in the lead is dreadful. He might be a good actor elsewhere but stick a mask on him and he can’t act. Acting behind a mask is hard. But put a lead character alongside other masked characters such as V or Darth Vadar and you will see what I mean. We have zero indication of Mando’s emotion. It’s makes it impossible to form an emotional connection to him.

Now before you say anything, strip away anything you know about Star Wars and you have no idea who this character is and what the hell they are doing. This clearly shows that fandom is carrying our attachment to this character because he looks like Boba Fett.

Plot & Narrative

The show suffers genre envy. I said that 5 minutes in to the first episode and it’s an even more apparent now. The show doesn’t know what it is. It’s as if all 4 writers were locked in separate rooms and told to collaborate on a script.

The show also suffers from its episode length. It’s trying to do everything and be cinematic in a 30 minute slot. It’s not working. The Star Wars cultural references feel forced which is preventing the show from stepping away from what it was trying to do (I.E. be completely separate from the OT and the Skywalker saga). An infinite number of planets in the universe and we are back on Tattoine. This feels like a fan film with a budget.

At times it feels like a parody of Bringing Up Baby, or 3 Men and a Little Baby, or Raising Arizona.

And as for baby Yoda. I threw my lightsaber at the screen for that reveal. Does it get better in episode 2? No. It suffers from most kids films and shows like this - suddenly baby has an adult brain and can intervene in dire situations.

Summary

This show won’t age well and is largely unmemorable. No doubt an episode 9 reference will he show horned at some stage to make the show feel relevant to fans. But alas, a turd by any other name is still a turd.

You will still watch it though.

Stop moaning ffs · 16-11-2019 7:47pm

Just to pick up on the mando and his motivation at least. Something people seem to have missed. He’s in a clan and gives all his bounty money to the priestess / armourer for the other orphans.
I’d say he’s far more human and varied given how he reacts with the asset and the droid and the guy that helps him than say Boba Fett who who’d have been one dimensional just bad guy.

Interesting take though FP. First negative one I’ve seen of it.
Hang in there. There’s loads more characters we’ve yet to meet.

Vicxas · 17-11-2019 8:41am

Im actually pleasantly surprised by this, the world feels lived in and characters feel real.

Also love in the first episode that the Stormtroopers are hired guns after the fall of the Empire.

Mr.Fantastic · 21-11-2019 10:07pm

Vicxas wrote: »

Im actually pleasantly surprised by this, the world feels lived in and characters feel real.

Also love in the first episode that the Stormtroopers are hired guns after the fall of the Empire.

Liked this two and the aging on the armor, dunno if it's canon in this but in the legends storylines. Think stormtroopers died off relatively young due to their accelerated growth.

Vicxas · 22-11-2019 2:11pm

Episode 3 blew my mind. What a great episode.

Slydice · 22-11-2019 10:19pm

Loved it,

so glad he went back

!

Stop moaning ffs · 22-11-2019 11:34pm

So happy he did too. I thought something like this would happen but in ep 5 or 6.

They raised the stakes so much earlier than expected. No idea what they’re gonna do now.

Vicxas · 23-11-2019 8:05am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

So happy he did too. I thought something like this would happen but in ep 5 or 6.

They raised the stakes so much earlier than expected. No idea what they’re gonna do now.

This is literally now Firefly, but set in the Star Wars universe.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-11-2019 11:17am

Vicxas wrote: »

This is literally now Firefly, but set in the Star Wars universe.

I don’t know that show but wasn’t it based on han and the falcon?

Vicxas · 23-11-2019 11:20am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

I don’t know that show but wasn’t it based on han and the falcon?

Possibly, if so we've come full circle

Stop moaning ffs · 23-11-2019 11:36am

Vicxas wrote: »

Possibly, if so we've come full circle

I could be completely wrong I just remember hearing it was inspired by han having adventures smuggling. Could be completely wrong.

Slydice · 23-11-2019 5:47pm

Firefly was similar.

Western in Space following a big war. Firefly team were on the losing side though.

There's probably an unending debate as to which side The Mandalorians were on but either way, their population was decimated from what I know. The honour code they follow looks like it will slow down their repopulation for ages.

I'd guess there's plenty of stuff from before both Firefly and The Mandalorian which probably influenced both. Not just the Western arena but Space Western and SciFi.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-11-2019 6:16pm

Slydice wrote: »

Firefly was similar.

Western in Space following a big war. Firefly team were on the losing side though.

There's probably an unending debate as to which side The Mandalorians were on but either way, their population was decimated from what I know. The honour code they follow looks like it will slow down their repopulation for ages.

I'd guess there's plenty of stuff from before both Firefly and The Mandalorian which probably influenced both. Not just the Western arena but Space Western and SciFi.

You might like my what if In th other thread.

Slydice · 23-11-2019 6:51pm

Not sure I want to go into spoiler protected text in a thread already marked with a spoilers warning.

Stop moaning ffs · 23-11-2019 7:18pm

Slydice wrote: »

Not sure I want to go into spoiler protected text in a thread already marked with a spoilers warning.

Just a dumb theory about ahsoka. No spoilers. Just tagged it cos someone got sensitive. About casting we already know. Eye roll.
There’s really no spoiler in it .

Slydice · 23-11-2019 7:24pm

Sounds spoilery alright. Make a spoiler thread. Give people the choice.

Stop moaning ffs · 24-11-2019 6:52pm

They wont get this or care in the other thread but Favreau voiced Pre Vizla in clone wars. Now he’s acted and voiced Paz Vizla in the Mandalorian

We’re gonna get siege of mandalore in the new clone wars but this is a mad deep cut. Where they going with this? Tie in? Look like it.

https://twitter.com/fanthatracks/status/1198081767183409153?s=21

Vicxas · 29-11-2019 1:22pm

New episode is very good.

Also. The baby Yoda is KILLING me. I'd buy a toy one... Which is I'm guessing, the plan

Stop moaning ffs · 29-11-2019 6:49pm

Vicxas wrote: »

New episode is very good.

Also. The baby Yoda is KILLING me. I'd buy a toy one... Which is I'm guessing, the plan

If they make one that’s intelligent like the bb8 sphero droid where it learns the room and just wanders around it would be awesome.

Slydice · 29-11-2019 10:37pm

They're getting good with the emotions on his face. At the end though, it felt like they could've done better with how sad Baby Yoda was.

Slydice · 06-12-2019 4:46pm

D'awwe.. I mean I thought for a second they might have been trying a connection but no...

Jerichoholic · 07-12-2019 3:35am

Vicxas wrote: »

New episode is very good.

Also. The baby Yoda is KILLING me. I'd buy a toy one... Which is I'm guessing, the plan

Another hit of an episode.

Did you notice the cube from portal?

And also...

Was that Bobba Fett somehow?

Let us all hope so.

c.p.w.g.w · 07-12-2019 3:58am

Slydice wrote: »

D'awwe.. I mean I thought for a second they might have been trying a connection but no...

More like Luke's when on both

slave1 · 03-01-2020 12:41pm

The entire series was worth it just for the opening scene of the last episode

faceman · 07-01-2020 4:39pm

Finally watched the whole series having given up after 2 episodes. It definitely improved but story and narrative was non existent in many episodes. I didn't change my view on Pedro Pascal from what I first thought. He's a good actor but he can't act behind the mask. I had no connection to him for the whole series.

Baby Yoda is a stupid character though, everyone knows it but no one will admit it because of the cute factor.

El Duda · 22-01-2020 2:17pm

Really enjoyed this. The best Star Wars related thing since Return of the Jedi imo. Loved the 70's aesthetic.

Runaways · 20-03-2020 8:02pm

Absolutely huge. If true.

https://www.slashfilm.com/rosario-dawson-ahsoka-mandalorian/

Slydice · 20-03-2020 11:30pm

Hrmmm... feels like a big ask to get Rosario Dawson to do a voice the likes of Ashley Ecksteins

Has the ominous feeling of asking Oscar Isaac to try and do the Apocalypse voice!

but shur.. let's see how they do

Runaways · 20-03-2020 11:35pm

Slydice wrote: »

Hrmmm... feels like a big ask to get Rosario Dawson to do a voice the likes of Ashley Ecksteins

Has the ominous feeling of asking Oscar Isaac to try and do the Apocalypse voice!

but shur.. let's see how they do

Looks to be confirmed now. Variety have it. I doubt anyone will care about the voice too much apart from the huge Ahsoka cohort but it’s not like they won’t watch it.

This is huge though. She knew yoda so I’m wondering will he hand over the child to her even to train? Also sets up massive Potential for her to be in the obi wan series.
Delighted it happening anyways

Slydice · 20-03-2020 11:43pm

Runaways wrote: »

apart from the huge Ahsoka cohort but it’s not like they won’t watch it

oof! touché!

Runaways · 20-03-2020 11:46pm

Slydice wrote: »

oof! touché!

Ah no offense meant. They’re already complaining cos it’s not the lady voices her on the show playing her live action. I’ve seen her pic. No way could she be live action Ahsoka.
Dawson is ideal.

Brief_Lives · 21-03-2020 2:03pm

The mandalorian is set after Return of the jedi, right?
so Ahsoka survived?

Slydice · 21-03-2020 3:15pm

It's.. eh.. complicated... but yes.

The animated shows The Clones Wars and Rebels would be good recommendations to catch up.

CastorTroy · 22-03-2020 9:12pm

Seems the latest rumours are that this will be a backdoor pilot for her own series.
Or maybe that's just people theorising about comments made about possible Mandolorian spinoffs

https://www.slashfilm.com/rosario-dawson-ahsoka-mandalorian/

last month during the Walt Disney Company’s Fiscal First Quarter 2020 Financial Results Conference Call, then-CEO Bob Iger mentioned that “The Mandalorian season 2 coming in October, and then more coming from The Mandalorian thereafter, including the possibility of – infusing it with more characters and the possibility of taking those characters in their own direction in terms of series.”

Slydice · 22-03-2020 11:17pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

rumours are that this will be a backdoor pilot for her own series

I would find that acceptable

In other news..

Grace doesn't watch the Star Wars animated shows from what I know... but she definitely has contacts inside Disney/Marvel.

She also heard that Ezra will be cast.

She hasn't heard anything about Sabine but does point out that Sabine is Mandalorian. You can tell she doesn't watch the animated shows cos she didn't make a point out of what a big deal Sabine and the Dark Sabre are. Just that Sabine gave it away.

Varik · 22-03-2020 11:57pm

Slydice wrote: »

I would find that acceptable

In other news..

Grace doesn't watch the Star Wars animated shows from what I know... but she definitely has contacts inside Disney/Marvel.

She also heard that Ezra will be cast.

She hasn't heard anything about Sabine but does point out that Sabine is Mandalorian. You can tell she doesn't watch the animated shows cos she didn't make a point out of what a big deal Sabine and the Dark Sabre are. Just that Sabine gave it away.

Just from where they left it off in Rebels I'd say Sabine would have been more likely than Ezra if they were to do any of that.

Runaways · 23-03-2020 1:43am

Slydice wrote: »

I would find that acceptable

In other news..

Grace doesn't watch the Star Wars animated shows from what I know... but she definitely has contacts inside Disney/Marvel.

She also heard that Ezra will be cast.

She hasn't heard anything about Sabine but does point out that Sabine is Mandalorian. You can tell she doesn't watch the animated shows cos she didn't make a point out of what a big deal Sabine and the Dark Sabre are. Just that Sabine gave it away.

I can’t see Ezra fitting into the Mandalorian.
They have the Ahsoka and Sabine animated series coming this autumn so it might cross over but Ezra? His whole character is just so I dunno. Childish. And intentionally. I get that. Don’t see how that would work in this series. But who knows

** he’s also endlessly annoying but it’s a character written for kids as a vehicle or entry point into the story so let them try it

Apparently Grace Randolph was the one who made up one of the rumors about kennedy getting fired. ‘She's Fandom Menace and a fraud who knows nothing and consistently wrong about everything.’ But hey. Anything for clicks on YouTube.

Spon Farmer · 12-04-2020 2:04pm

Brief_Lives wrote: »

The mandalorian is set after Return of the jedi, right?
so Ahsoka survived?

She might have. Rebels leaves that unclear.

I’m expecting the flashbacks to reveal a Jedi saved the Mando from the Super Battle Droid and though it was going to be Kenobi but if they are bringing Ashoka to live action then it could be her that saves him and she might only appear in his past, not the present day.

Spon Farmer · 12-04-2020 2:16pm

Will we get an explanation of the tracking fobs in an upcoming episode?

They make no sense to me - if there is a gadget for tracking fugitives then bounty hunting requires no hunting or searching.

Looking forward to learning more about the Way. I don’t recall it being mentioned in TCW or Rebels and loads of Mandalorians have been shown with the helmet led off - so is a new thing to their culture, a religion that we haven’t been told about before or are these guys outcast from Mandalorian society. One of the covert is from House Vizla.

Vicxas · 30-10-2020 9:32am

New season, first new spoiler.

I didnt cop that was meant to be Bobba Fett's armour until a couple of mins in. Im getting rusty

flazio · 30-10-2020 5:33pm

Quick word of advice for anyone who usually zooms in the picture to hide the black bars top and bottom. About 40 minutes in the aspect ratio changes from 21:9 to 16:9 for cinematic reasons.

Slydice · 31-10-2020 1:39am

Oh! Was that

a clone? It looked like a clone! Had heard there was some hype before watching so I'd thought Sabine or Ahsoka might have been making some appearance. Couldn't for the life of me figure how they'd work that in. A clone makes way more sense.

31-10-2020 12:46pm

Slydice wrote: »

Oh! Was that
a clone? It looked like a clone! Had heard there was some hype before watching so I'd thought Sabine or Ahsoka might have been making some appearance. Couldn't for the life of me figure how they'd work that in. A clone makes way more sense.

it's Boba Fett

I think so anyway

AbusesToilets · 01-11-2020 3:39pm

It's Temuera Morrison, so he could be portraying any number of characters. Would be a fitting red herring to hint at him being Fett, but actually be Cody or another clone.

01-11-2020 4:34pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

It's Temuera Morrison, so he could be portraying any number of characters. Would be a fitting red herring to hint at him being Fett, but actually be Cody or another clone.

I actually hope it isn't a named clone if that's the way they decide to go. With Bo Katan, Ahsoka and the dark saber I think we've enough clone wars/rebels links

AbusesToilets · 01-11-2020 9:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I actually hope it isn't a named clone if that's the way they decide to go. With Bo Katan, Ahsoka and the dark saber I think we've enough clone wars/rebels links

Dunno, it's Filoni's baby and Favreau has a lot of grá for Clone Wars stuff as well

02-11-2020 9:49pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Dunno, it's Filoni's baby and Favreau has a lot of grá for Clone Wars stuff as well

Yeah I get that but I don't think they need to shoe horn characters into the show. It's my biggest gripe with the prequel trilogy (and to some degree rebels) Everyone and everything is too connected. Honestly I'd be ok if

fett

wasn't involved either and there was no mention of

his armour

PhiloCypher · 02-11-2020 10:48pm

Thought that was a great first episode, a simple story well told. No needlessly overcomplicated/nonsensical overarching plot that if you don't buy you'll get nothing from the season(hello Star Trek Discovery). Mando has to get Baby Yoda to the Jedi, on the way he'll have self contained adventures. Really hoping Favreau and Filoni have some input on the Cassian Andor spin off , Disney could do worse then putting them in charge of all their Star Wars content.

AMKC · 03-11-2020 2:50am

That was a decent and simple enough first episode. Some jet engine. I think you would want to be wearing good muffs sitting on the side of that do or you could end up deaf not that it sounded that loud but if it is a jet engine like that it would have to be loud.
As for the sand dragon. Just aim for the mouth. That's what I was saying as soon as I seen it.

Vicxas · 06-11-2020 10:46am

Great second episode.

To think this is what Firefly could have been if people weren't so short sighted.

The Mandalorian

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