Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

BDI · 22-11-2019 12:14PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I get what you are saying but not sure I agree that getting back Zlatan for a few months would be as silly as some believe. I presume he would be an alternative to Other older strikers we are looking at but I don’t believe the MLS argument holds up if he’s coming back as a sub or bit part player.

Henrik Larson was 36 years old when United took him on loan for a few weeks and he’d been playing in the Swedish league for over a year. What Zlatan would give in the dressingroom on its own would be potentially beneficial.

But that said, I don’t see Zlatan coming back for Ole and I’m not sure Ole would want such a big character in his dressingroom when he appears to be struggling to convince the big names currently there that he has what it takes.

Zlatan has left the mls probably because he is struggling to look like zlatan in it. He was at United and I’m not entirely sure what he gave the dressing room but I didn’t see a difference in the team morale and spirit when he was there or when he left.

He is an ego. Ole is getting rid of the egos. We need somebody from the lower end of the table or other tables willing to come in and have a shot at the big time for 6 months who will be happy to be second choice come next window if we can’t get our top priority now .

Mitch Connor · 22-11-2019 12:33PM

McTominay out.
Pogba out.
Matic back but hasn't played in ages.

Our midfield is gonna be an even bigger s-show this weekend.

Garner coming in? Maybe a defender pushed in there, Jones or Lindelof?

Reckon we will go with 532 formation, to beef up the defence behind an even lighter midfield.

Mitch Connor · 22-11-2019 01:15PM

DDG
----Lindelof-Maguire-Jones
AWB

Williams

Pereira-Fred-Garner

Rashford--Martial

Cotts72 · 22-11-2019 01:30PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

McTominay out.
Pogba out.
Matic back but hasn't played in ages.

Our midfield is gonna be an even bigger s-show this weekend.

Garner coming in? Maybe a defender pushed in there, Jones or Lindelof?

Reckon we will go with 532 formation, to beef up the defence behind an even lighter midfield.

Don't be surprised if he plays rojo DM, there were stories last summer he planned on using him in that role

Mitch Connor · 22-11-2019 01:35PM

Cotts72 wrote: »

Don't be surprised if he plays rojo DM, there were stories last summer he planned on using him in that role

Rojo is out injured.

Tuanzebe is apparently back - so might be an option as a DM, or into defence with Jones as a DM?

S.M.B. · 22-11-2019 01:41PM

McT is out for a couple of weeks too, ugh.

And "we hope" to see Pogba in 2019. His foot isn't even healed yet.

Not only are these injuries a disaster because of our wafer thin squad, I have little faith in how they are managed. Pogba should never have been let near a pitch when he first picked up that injury.

Amateurs.

Drumpot · 22-11-2019 01:44PM

BDI wrote: »

Zlatan has left the mls probably because he is struggling to look like zlatan in it. He was at United and I’m not entirely sure what he gave the dressing room but I didn’t see a difference in the team morale and spirit when he was there or when he left.

He is an ego. Ole is getting rid of the egos. We need somebody from the lower end of the table or other tables willing to come in and have a shot at the big time for 6 months who will be happy to be second choice come next window if we can’t get our top priority now .

There are differnt kind of egos and not all are bad. I could be wrong but I’ve always felt Zlatan was the big dog/ego in the dressingroom and that when he went Pogba too up this mantle. Very shortly after this Pogba fell out with Jose. They may or may not be connected but if a manager has a good relationship with players with the big egos, then it’s not necessarily a problem.

I don’t think it’s gonna Happen but I don’t believe it would be as bad a call as some think, If Zlatan was happy to effectively be like a semi retired coach who will chip in when needed sparsely.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-11-2019 01:49PM

S.M.B. wrote: »

McT is out for a couple of weeks too, ugh.

Squad really is fcukin' threadbare

Not only are these injuries a disaster because of our wafer thin squad, I have little faith in how they are managed. Pogba should never have been let near a pitch when he first picked up that injury.

Amateurs.

For a club which is supposed to have fantastic medical facilities etc. why the hell do we get so many and so persistent injuries? This has been going on for years ffs.

Also the Zlatan talk :rolleyes: Influence in the dressing room - give over. He'd be a has-been writing cheques with his mouth his ass can't cash. You can imagine the eyerolling behind his back... Time to let go. I know it took some people a few years to let go of Rooney, same thing all over again.

VW 1 · 22-11-2019 05:35PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

He'd be a has-been writing cheques with his mouth his ass can't cash.

Did you watch top gun last night??:D

Drumpot · 22-11-2019 05:55PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

McTominay out.
Pogba out.
Matic back but hasn't played in ages.

Our midfield is gonna be an even bigger s-show this weekend.

Garner coming in? Maybe a defender pushed in there, Jones or Lindelof?

Reckon we will go with 532 formation, to beef up the defence behind an even lighter midfield.

How bad do you reckon things would have to get this season for the board to act?

I mean do you think no cups and mid table will be acceptable if they are convinced (somehow) that they purged all the pain out this season?

Mitch Connor · 22-11-2019 06:20PM

Drumpot wrote: »

How bad do you reckon things would have to get this season for the board to act?

I mean do you think no cups and mid table will be acceptable if they are convinced (somehow) that they purged all the pain out this season?

You mean in terms of sacking Ole? No idea.

Spurs (at home) followed by City away in early December could be a turning point if they go badly, and especially if we haven't recorded wins in the preceding league games (EL is a meh, as we are through).

If you came away with defeats in those PL games, having not got 6 points vs Sheff United and Villa - thats going to be difficult, especially if Poch is still available.

The fact Poch will miss out on large sums of Spurs compensation if he takes a new job soon could become a factor in his own thinking as well though, along with maybe needing some time away after the stint at Spurs.

22-11-2019 07:05PM

Ole picked up 5 wins out of 7 in the last run of games between international breaks. I reckon if that didn't happen, if we had have carried on in the relegation form shown since last March, the timing would have been perfect - We'd be posting Poch memes now and trying to come up with a chant for our new manager. As it is though, that improved run has bought Ole more time with Woodward.

It's been reported that Poch's severance pay will be payed in installments from Spurs over the next 6 months, but if Poch signs with a new club the payments stop. If there's a shred of truth in that, and also considering that Poch has been working non-stop for the last 5 years, I wouldn't be surprised to see him sit the rest of this season out while he considers his next club.

Drumpot · 22-11-2019 07:12PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

You mean in terms of sacking Ole? No idea.

Spurs (at home) followed by City away in early December could be a turning point if they go badly, and especially if we haven't recorded wins in the preceding league games (EL is a meh, as we are through).

If you came away with defeats in those PL games, having not got 6 points vs Sheff United and Villa - thats going to be difficult, especially if Poch is still available.

The fact Poch will miss out on large sums of Spurs compensation if he takes a new job soon could become a factor in his own thinking as well though, along with maybe needing some time away after the stint at Spurs.

If you are Poch is United really an exciting prospect in any scenario? I mean a fair few people have convinced themselves that Jose, one of the most successful managers of his generation, is finished because of his time at the club, surely Poch is wondering what damage a similar experience might do to his own career. I know hes young but it feels like United is the kind of poisoned chalice thats normally associated with the England job. Its like a career killer for players and managers these days.

But lets say Poch joins another club and by the new years we are languishing mid table, maybe not too far off 6th pointswise what can they do ? Who can they get ? Feels like they have cornered themselves on this "rebuild", "we know what we are doing with transfers now" and that Ole is the right lad to lead the charge. I sort of feel like short of relegation Ole will be kept if Poch isnt available or a target.

S.M.B. · 22-11-2019 07:25PM

Article in the athletic said that there was already a previous meeting between United and Poch and they both declared an interest in working together at some stage.

y0ssar1an22 · 22-11-2019 07:51PM

S.M.B. wrote: »

Article in the athletic said that there was already a previous meeting between United and Poch and they both declared an interest in working together at some stage.

recent meeting or yonks ago?

billyhead · 22-11-2019 07:57PM

The worry is if things go South with results over the couple of months Poch may already be the Bayern manager. Barca and Real mas also be looking for a new manager by Christmas.

y0ssar1an22 · 22-11-2019 08:02PM

billyhead wrote: »

The worry is if things go South with results over the couple of months Poch may already be the Bayern manager. Barca and Real mas also be looking for a new manager by Christmas.

utd have been a shambles the last 12 months and i was a very much a detractor of ole, that utd need to sack him. i think drumpot summed up my feelings, when he said he's curious to see how it pans out. I'm beginning to come around to that point of view.

curiosity aside, he is out of his depth. his interview today....'i'm not worried at all about poch, every manager wants this job, its the best in the world', all inane horse****.

i dunno at this stage. on balance prob better to cut your losses and sack him

S.M.B. · 22-11-2019 08:06PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

recent meeting or yonks ago?

Didn't say when exactly but possibly in the run up to letting Jose go. The gist of the article was Ed wanted Poch but was put off with the cost / negotiating with Levy, Ole came in as intern manager and impressed him immediately (not just the results), Ed has been won over and in no rush to get Poch in now that he's available.

billyhead · 22-11-2019 08:55PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

utd have been a shambles the last 12 months and i was a very much a detractor of ole, that utd need to sack him. i think drumpot summed up my feelings, when he said he's curious to see how it pans out. I'm beginning to come around to that point of view.

curiosity aside, he is out of his depth. his interview today....'i'm not worried at all about poch, every manager wants this job, its the best in the world', all inane horse****.

i dunno at this stage. on balance prob better to cut your losses and sack him

True. I would cut my losses now and see if hes interested in the job and if so would he take over now? Football is a ruthless business but its results orientated and I cant see us been in anyway consistent in getting good results with Ole at the wheel.

Strumms · 22-11-2019 09:01PM

Problem is, Ole is on a bit of a run, having won 5 of the last 6 games... not exactly sacking form...

jayo26 · 22-11-2019 09:13PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

curiosity aside, he is out of his depth. his interview today....'i'm not worried at all about poch, every manager wants this job, its the best in the world', all inane horse****.

Just out of curiosity what do you think would if been the correct answer here?? In the current situation of where ole and The team is at what would of been acceptable thing to say?

Lord TSC · 22-11-2019 09:21PM

Strumms wrote: »

Problem is, Ole is on a bit of a run, having won 5 of the last 6 games... not exactly sacking form...

By and large, against very low level teams.

Its also something that should be judged on the entirety of his run, or at least the entire season. Not just the last 5 games.

y0ssar1an22 · 22-11-2019 09:31PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity what do you think would if been the correct answer here?? In the current situation of where ole and The team is at what would of been acceptable thing to say?

first part fair enough, par for the course. but to keep beating the drum about how appealing and successful utd are. not so anymore.

his answers in the main annoy me. never criticises or makes definitive statements - useless platitudes in the main. who was it against where he said great performance, very proud of the boys, after a dismal performance?

jayo26 · 22-11-2019 09:40PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

first part fair enough, par for the course. but to keep beating the drum about how appealing and successful utd are. not so anymore.

his answers in the main annoy me. never criticises or makes definitive statements - useless platitudes in the main. who was it against where he said great performance, very proud of the boys, after a dismal performance?

Do you think think United wouodnt be desirable club anymore? For example spurs have just got themselfs one of the best managers in the world but haven't won a trophy for over 10 years and have a close to zero net spend in that time?

I think united have lost some of the gloss buy they are still an appealing club because of the fact that whoever can come in and turn things around is literally going to be regarded as a genius.

As for criticising ect with ole we have basically the opposite to what jose was hounded for he does not critique players in public unless he feels he has to.

I think ole has made lots of mistakes but I also feel he is going to be be wrong no matter what he says.

y0ssar1an22 · 22-11-2019 09:55PM

jayo26 wrote: »

Do you think think United wouodnt be desirable club anymore? For example spurs have just got themselfs one of the best managers in the world but haven't won a trophy for over 10 years and have a close to zero net spend in that time?

I think united have lost some of the gloss buy they are still an appealing club because of the fact that whoever can come in and turn things around is literally going to be regarded as a genius.

As for criticising ect with ole we have basically the opposite to what jose was hounded for he does not critique players in public unless he feels he has to.

I think ole has made lots of mistakes but I also feel he is going to be be wrong no matter what he says.

of course they're desirable, but city and liverpool are on par i think. utd + manchester vs spurs + london...that gap is closing.

jose should still with with utd IMO. terrible mistake.

he doesn't even make a general criticism...we could have been better or whatever. its always we did great.

i want him to show some passion, drive, anger

jayo26 · 22-11-2019 10:12PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

of course they're desirable, but city and liverpool are on par i think. utd + manchester vs spurs + london...that gap is closing.

jose should still with with utd IMO. terrible mistake.

he doesn't even make a general criticism...we could have been better or whatever. its always we did great.

i want him to show some passion, drive, anger

Well I agree with you on jose I'm firmly in that camp too.

Not all managers shout and roar to show passion im not saying ole is right I think he is feeling massive pressure and in a job hat's clearly too big for him but I also think that he hasn't had any help whatsoever to find his feet.

Yes He shouldn't be finding his feet at a club like united bit that's the route they decided to go down with an inexperienced manager but they haven't made it easy for him.

Headshot · 22-11-2019 10:28PM

sigh...
I reckon Dortmund will be out for a new manager soon enough, more chances to loose out on Poch

LuckyGent88 · 22-11-2019 10:30PM

Headshot wrote: »

sigh...
I reckon Dortmund will be out for a new manager soon enough, more chances to loose out on Poch

On the bright side, they don’t look like making champions league next year at this rate so Sancho might be readily available and he certainly hasn’t been at his best since he came back late from international duty.

Poch would be a great fit for Dortmund but think it would be a slight backwards step for him.

Headshot · 22-11-2019 10:35PM

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

On the bright side, they don’t look like making champions league next year at this rate so Sancho might be readily available and he certainly hasn’t been at his best since he came back late from international duty.

Poch would be a great fit for Dortmund but think it would be a slight backwards step for him.

We don't look any better unfortunately and I certainly couldnt see Sancho leaving for a club not in the CL.

Rayne Wooney · 22-11-2019 10:38PM

It’s only a matter of when with the Ole sacking, it’s a sad sight.

The experiment has gone exactly how anyone with a bit of sense knew it would.

It was a fairytale thinking Ole would be a top level manager.

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