Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2019/20

BDI · 20-11-2019 10:27AM

I think it’s a great time for the real supporters, who wished for somebody to come in and hit the egos and play the kids to get behind the manager while we watch Jose win a cup or two and bloat spurs squad while we rebuild like we are doing.

VW 1 · 20-11-2019 10:29AM

zorro2566 wrote: »

Jose will be a happier man as no more hotel stays and sees his family everyday! Interesting times!

Wasn't he the happy one at some stage before? It always ends in tears..

20-11-2019 10:41AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Oles league form for the last 8 months isn’t far off Poch and he got spurs to the CL final aswell which should of bought him some goodwill. Ole has done nothing for it to be suggested it’s anything other then a written off season probably since October. That’s the level of ambition of United v Spurs. I think spurs were sillly to sack Poch but they saw an opportunity (Jose available as things don’t appear to improve) and took it. United now have an opportunity to get a top target for nothing who looked cheap at 50mil in the summer and will probably do nothing as Woodward possibly believes his own Bullsh*t about rebuilds and having a decent transfer window proving he knows what he’s doing.

Spurs are a much better team who have been built over the last few seasons for this to be their peak period. This Summer they bought Lo Celso and Ndombele who were supposed to be plugging their final gaps which were lack of depth in the middle. Getting to the CL final distracted from their deplorable play and results and when you don't have development on your side you need the results.

Ole has had one proper transfer window and the defence looks much better. Obviously the club fúcked up with the striker and attacker situation but it looks like certain players are improving rapidly and team spirit is high. People haven't been happy under the 3 managers before Ole for differing reasons but the trigger happy approach hasn't worked or changed much over the last few years and I don't expect it to help now.

sky88 · 20-11-2019 10:56AM

When were still mid table with ole next year i still fully expect people to be saying he needs time

if this was any other manager without the same connection with club they'd want him gone.

There's no point in trying to build a new fresh team when the manager hasnt got what it takes

Mitch Connor · 20-11-2019 11:11AM

Headshot wrote: »

Have to say fair play to Spurs they aren't dithering or delaying over a new manager, bang Jose in advance talks already

I wish utd would be ruthless but with Woodward in charged we are spineless

It be nice to see Ole leaving Carrington tomorrow for good and Poch coming in the following day but i'm confined that utd board and especially Woodward will never do what's good for the club and they'll keep struggling on with Ole until it's to late....

I'm very downhearted with how our club is run and with how Ole is still managing the club

Sure just look at the entire appointment of Jose.

LVG was a dead man walking for ages, while Jose was available, but we waited out the season, missed out on the CL and then appointed Jose in the summer.

In contract, Spurs have sacked their manager and brought Jose in while there is still the chance for him to save their season in terms of CL qualification.

An actual ambition to get the best out of their season, as it stands.

United showed no such desire back then, and it is repeating itself now with Ole.

Mitch Connor · 20-11-2019 11:15AM

sky88 wrote: »

When were still mid table with ole next year i still fully expect people to be saying he needs time

if this was any other manager without the same connection with club they'd want him gone.

There's no point in trying to build a new fresh team when the manager hasnt got what it takes

This is just such a pointless comment.

1. Plenty of people are saying Ole should be gone.
2. You will always have people with differing opinions so it is basically a null point anyway. Who cares if 'people' are still saying it. Does it matter?
3. You had people saying Moyes should have been given more time, LVG given more time, Jose given more time - all evidence that it isn't just an Ole thing. Its a 'the players have proved themselves not good enough time and time again so maybe it isn't the managers fault' thing.

Just utter rubbish designed for petty point scoring that has little to no basis in reality.

20-11-2019 11:18AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Ancelotti doesn't speak German and they hired him. They prefer German speaking managers, but I doubt it would be a deal breaker.

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But he did his press confirences in German. He speaks German, maybe not a fluent....

duffman13 · 20-11-2019 11:20AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

This makes zero sense in the context of the current discussion.

Ole and Poch actually makes sense in terms of transition and “vision”. At Spurs, Poch built a young team (with a decent British core) and had them playing really good football, with good results (even if the end product suffered).

In other words, Poch actually DID what Ole TALKS about. Poch is pretty much the successful version of the vision Ole waxes lyrical about. Every one of those philosophies that United apparently stands for, Poch has had a far, far better success rate in implementation.

At the end of the day, Ole talks a big game, but the on field product has been dire. 16 points in 12 games is awful form, and if he wasn’t a club legend as a player, he’d have been sacked weeks ago (he’d actually never have even been on the shortlist for the job, to be pedantic). Ole shouldn’t still be the United manager, and it’s the usual mid-table mentality from Woodward that he is still there.

If he was sacked tomorrow, and you wanted as smooth a transition in terms of vision and philosophy, you’d be hard pushed to find a better candidate than Poch.

Great post, I'd probably agree with all of it, as a fan my sentimentality would make me feel bad for Ole but there isn't really a place for it at the moment. If there is not some behind the door chat happening about/with Poch id be surprised. I still think Poch will end up with Bayern or Real which is probably why nothing will happen quickly.

As much as he shouldn't, a few good results mean OGS has a good few fans still behind him

sky88 · 20-11-2019 11:22AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

This is just such a pointless comment.

1. Plenty of people are saying Ole should be gone.
2. You will always have people with differing opinions so it is basically a null point anyway. Who cares if 'people' are still saying it. Does it matter?
3. You had people saying Moyes should have been given more time, LVG given more time, Jose given more time - all evidence that it isn't just an Ole thing. Its a 'the players have proved themselves not good enough time and time again so maybe it isn't the managers fault' thing.

Just utter rubbish designed for petty point scoring that has little to no basis in reality.

point scoring for who exactly i just said my opinion about what i feel about people supporting ole just like they say im wrong

Chuck Noland · 20-11-2019 11:28AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But he did his press confirences in German. He speaks German, maybe not a fluent....

Did Pep learn German?

wadacrack · 20-11-2019 11:41AM

Pochettino is a great fit for Man Utd atm, obviously he improved alot of Tottenham's younger players. Wan Bissaka, Williams, McTominay,Tuanzebe Rashford, James and Greenwood. Alot of young talent to work might help stop overpaying for players too.

Drumpot · 20-11-2019 11:52AM

Liam O wrote: »

Spurs are a much better team who have been built over the last few seasons for this to be their peak period. This Summer they bought Lo Celso and Ndombele who were supposed to be plugging their final gaps which were lack of depth in the middle. Getting to the CL final distracted from their deplorable play and results and when you don't have development on your side you need the results.

Ole has had one proper transfer window and the defence looks much better. Obviously the club fúcked up with the striker and attacker situation but it looks like certain players are improving rapidly and team spirit is high. People haven't been happy under the 3 managers before Ole for differing reasons but the trigger happy approach hasn't worked or changed much over the last few years and I don't expect it to help now.

Ole took over a squad that was supposedly much better then the 2nd spot Jose achieved. How is it on to bash Jose for not doing better and to give Ole a pass for not only not doing better but to have the team languishing near mid table with no real prospects of anything good anytime soon? Are you really going to suggest that Poch was given much support in transfer window the last 2 years? Ole got more support in one window then Poch the last few seasons!!!

You know any manager can use “rebuild” as an excuse , hell even Moyes didn’t get any chance to rebuild and he’s more experience then Ole. That’s the major issue fans have with Ole, he’s a Hail Mary punt with no managerial pedigree at this level. I can’t argue with people who are trying to make out somehow that Poch is no more qualified because that’s just a stupid statement to make and you can’t reason with stupid.

Fitz* · 20-11-2019 12:05PM

Chuck Noland wrote: »

Did Pep learn German?

he did.

secman · 20-11-2019 12:11PM

To my 3 mates..Spurs fans who dished out plentiful of slagging to me during that awful Mourinho reign..... good morning boys.

Bandana boy · 20-11-2019 12:18PM

What will it say about utd if Jose is successful with Spurs , let's say qtrs of cl , fa cup win and top 4 achieved

Drumpot · 20-11-2019 12:19PM

secman wrote: »

To my 3 mates..Spurs fans who dished out plentiful of slagging to me during that awful Mourinho reign..... good morning boys.

I’d hold off on that.

The balance and profile of the spurs squad is on paper perfect for Jose. I’d say if he can hold onto what they have (Ericsson etc) and add one or two bits of quality they are gonna be a dangerous team.

They have Lots of experienced players who when confident can get to a champions league final. Look at the pile of Sh*te Jose inherited when he took over at United and the poor CEO he had to argue with for signings in his third season after getting our best league finish in 6 years at a club where supposedly money is no object!.

Levy is a much better person to run a club and work with a manager even if he does keep a tight ship. I think what’s going to happen is that any United fan who thinks Jose was the problem will get a big surprise when they see how he can do at a functioning club and a very solid experienced team.

Mitch Connor · 20-11-2019 12:36PM

Read a good write up on the Athletic on Poch, and where it all went wrong.

According to the article (and by no means am I saying it is the only answer) the problems, according the article date back a couple of years, with Poch wanting to gut the squad of some of the older players and bring in new younger players - which didn't happen in 2018, or 2019. This meant relying on players who had been hard at it under him for 5 years, with players struggling to keep up the levels they had previously and executing the plan to the same level they did previously.

It is, in effect, the same problem Jose pointed at, at United, and that we would claim at United - not cycling the squad early enough or effectively enough when an attempt is made.

it does also point to tactical questions around the formation used, some selection questions - as well as Poch's reaction to the CL final defeat (returning straight to Barcelona rather than London, questioning of 'agenda's' in the squad)

Just found it an interesting read when considering where it has gone wrong (it mentions nothing of the speculated rift in the squad caused by some extra-marital affairs...) for Poch/Spurs in the last few months especially, and what that could mean if United were to appoint Poch - whether it would be akin to bringing in Schweinsteiger or whether a new environment, a new set of players, would see his team and players performing to the level we saw of Spurs previously.

If the issue is or was caused by Spurs refusing to reinforce the squad as the manager wanted, or not backing him as he wanted... would it just be an inevitable road to failure under Woodward who failed to back Moyes, who failed to back Jose summer 2018, who failed Ole this summer (imo, anyway). Woodward hasn't proven himself more willing or able than Levy, quite the opposite in fact.

kerplun k · 20-11-2019 01:02PM

Like most on here, I’m not sold on Ole, and I wouldn’t mind Poch as manager, but he’s been a bigger failure than Ole this season. I wouldn’t go rewarding Poch with a new deal at one of the biggest clubs in the world after what’s transpired this season.

With the current semi decent form, I just think the timing is all wrong. It looks like Ole has the players backing and I think sacking him now would do more harm than good.

20-11-2019 01:05PM

kerplun k wrote: »

Like most on here, I’m not sold on Ole, and I wouldn’t mind Poch as manager, but he’s been a bigger failure than Ole this season. I wouldn’t go rewarding Poch with a new deal at one of the biggest clubs in the world after what’s transpired this season.

With the current semi decent form, I just think the timing is all wrong. It looks like Ole has the players backing and I think sacking him now would do more harm than good.

If we lose to Sheffield Utd how will you feel?

bucketybuck · 20-11-2019 01:06PM

kerplun k wrote: »

With the current semi decent form, I just think the timing is all wrong. It looks like Ole has the players backing and I think sacking him now would do more harm than good.

So ignore 10 months of dire performances just because we beat Partizan and Brighton? Everything is hunky dory despite nothing having changed?

Headshot · 20-11-2019 01:07PM

kerplun k wrote: »

Like most on here, I’m not sold on Ole, and I wouldn’t mind Poch as manager, but he’s been a bigger failure than Ole this season. I wouldn’t go rewarding Poch with a new deal at one of the biggest clubs in the world after what’s transpired this season.

With the current semi decent form, I just think the timing is all wrong. It looks like Ole has the players backing and I think sacking him now would do more harm than good.

Football fans have short term memories unfortunately

Acosta · 20-11-2019 01:11PM

kerplun k wrote: »

Like most on here, I’m not sold on Ole, and I wouldn’t mind Poch as manager, but he’s been a bigger failure than Ole this season. I wouldn’t go rewarding Poch with a new deal at one of the biggest clubs in the world after what’s transpired this season.

With the current semi decent form, I just think the timing is all wrong. It looks like Ole has the players backing and I think sacking him now would do more harm than good.

Anything good that happens always seems fairly temporary. United feel like they're only a couple of defeats away from another crises. Poch could be snapped up by Bayern in a few weeks and then United will probably lose the next 5 matches.

VW 1 · 20-11-2019 01:11PM

Look at klopp at the end of 5 years or so at Dortmund under largely a similar group of players over the course of his time.

It comes to a point where, if the squad isn't refreshed, the managers methods lose effectiveness and the motivation isn't there any more from the players. sAF was the best in the business at this.

That doesn't mean Klopp wasn't successful or a good manager when he moved on, merely that his time was up at Dortmund

I think the same can be said of Poch's time at Spurs.

I was all on for getting him post Jose, and still think he's the best man for the job.

Drumpot · 20-11-2019 01:13PM

Headshot wrote: »

Football fans have short term memories unfortunately

That is true but remind me what Ole has done in his managerial career that deserves our trust and patience ? I’d really love to know why people think Ole is qualified for the job. “We can’t keep sacking managers” is not any defence for a manager who is not qualified for a job , especially in conditions that more successful and proven coaches struggled.

Father Hernandez · 20-11-2019 01:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If we lose to Sheffield Utd how will you feel?

When you mean!

IMO, Poch would suit this club at the moment even more so than Ole, proven at getting the best out of youth, United have an abundance of that coming through it seems, play good football and has done well without breaking the bank, something Woodward and the money hungry rodents would appreciate.

Spurs have a good squad currently that Mourinho could get the best out of. They crave a trophy and there’s no better manager to get that done in the short term even if he’ll be gone after 3/4 years.

Big club mentality would realise Ole was a mistake and get a better manager in Poch who’s now available at no cost.

Headshot · 20-11-2019 01:16PM

Drumpot wrote: »

That is true but remind me what Ole has done in his managerial career that deserves our trust and patience ? I’d really love to know why people think Ole is qualified for the job. “We can’t keep sacking managers” is not any defence for a manager who is not qualified for a job.

Is that question pointed at me as I was referring to the "but he’s been a bigger failure than Ole this season. I wouldn’t go rewarding Poch with a new deal at one of the biggest clubs in the world after what’s transpired this season."

Feck sake, one bad season after numerous seasons overachieving with Spurs, it's a ridiculous point

That's like saying, Pep was rubbish with Bayern, why did any club go for him then after that.

Drumpot · 20-11-2019 01:30PM

Headshot wrote: »

Is that question pointed at me as I was referring to the "but he’s been a bigger failure than Ole this season. I wouldn’t go rewarding Poch with a new deal at one of the biggest clubs in the world after what’s transpired this season."

Feck sake, one bad season after numerous seasons overachieving with Spurs, it's a ridiculous point

That's like saying, Pep was rubbish with Bayern, why did any club go for him then after that.

May bad.... Apologies.....

sReq | uTeK · 20-11-2019 01:30PM

What is interesting is that recent financials show City catching up.
With champions league football guaranteed and us likely to miss out again this year it might actually spur them in to doing something.

Financials released for quarter end show a decline on last year.

Its only when pockets are hit will things change at united.

20-11-2019 01:33PM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

What is interesting is that recent financials show City catching up.
Up champions league football guaranteed and us likely to miss out again this year it might actually spur them in to doing something.

Financials released for quarter end show a decline on last year.

Its only when pockets are hit will things change at united.

The recent financial also show we have increased revenue but somehow the debt has increased.
Basically the leeches sucking even more money out of the club.

kerplun k · 20-11-2019 01:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If we lose to Sheffield Utd how will you feel?

If we lose, and spurs win, there’s a 1 point deficit between us.

My case isn’t for keeping Ole, it’s against replacing him with Pock at this point in time.

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