Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

kub · 15-11-2019 10:15PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Five cars had managed to rear end each other on the flyover this evening. Wonder if someone was having a gawk?

If people are that interested in construction, perhaps they should get jobs in that sector rather than cause traffic accidents.

Heckler · 15-11-2019 10:41PM

Gru wrote: »

It's almost guaranteed. **** those people gawping at it.

Every day this week these clowns have been causing crawling tailbacks because of their rubbernecking. First couple of days I thought there were accidents but no. Get past the flyover and its plain sailing again. Throw a low sun into the mix with everyone jamming on and its a disaster. Doesn't help with people not realising that driving into the sun the car in front is practically invisible if they don't have their lights on. I watch the cams on www.dunkettle.ie before leaving work from Glanmire and sure as **** from 4 onwards the tailback starts.

As someone posted earlier they need to put up a barrier to block off that section from the dim witted gawpers.

Started going out through Tivoli. Just as fast.

Chuck Noland · 16-11-2019 01:21AM

Heckler wrote: »

Every day this week these clowns have been causing crawling tailbacks because of their rubbernecking. First couple of days I thought there were accidents but no. Get past the flyover and its plain sailing again. Throw a low sun into the mix with everyone jamming on and its a disaster. Doesn't help with people not realising that driving into the sun the car in front is practically invisible if they don't have their lights on. I watch the cams on www.dunkettle.ie before leaving work from Glanmire and sure as **** from 4 onwards the tailback starts.

As someone posted earlier they need to put up a barrier to block off that section from the dim witted gawpers.

Started going out through Tivoli. Just as fast.

Never knew about the site. Thanks for that

Heckler · 16-11-2019 09:11AM

Chuck Noland wrote: »

Never knew about the site. Thanks for that

Tis handy if you're taking any of those routes especially around rush hour. That and AA roadwatch. They're normally on the ball as well with any happening incidents.

murphym7 · 17-11-2019 10:32AM

I've emailed Terry Shannon letting him know of my concern and requesting him to bring this up at the city council level. Might be an idea for others to email a few other councillors to get some traction on this. It doesn't take many of these emails to get this raised at the council. My worry here is that as the site gets more "interesting" the rubbernecking will get worse.

Cork Trucker · 17-11-2019 11:10AM

murphym7 wrote: »

I've emailed Terry Shannon letting him know of my concern and requesting him to bring this up at the city council level. Might be an idea for others to email a few other councillors to get some traction on this. It doesn't take many of these emails to get this raised at the council. My worry here is that as the site gets more "interesting" the rubbernecking will get worse.

I met with Terry Shannon yesterday while on a trip to the Northside, i doubt he'll be interested in anything other than the upcoming by-election on November 29th for his party colleague Padraig O'Sullivan. Give Kieran McCarthy,Mary-Rose Desmond or even Dan Boyle a shout, having dealt with him in a personal capacity he is decent enough. I'll drop him a tweet and tag Terry in it as well.

Cork Trucker · 17-11-2019 11:16AM

280 characters wasn't quite enough but i got a tweet across.

https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/1196008846617194496?s=20

airy fairy · 17-11-2019 11:18AM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I met with Terry Shannon yesterday while on a trip to the Northside, i doubt he'll be interested in anything other than the upcoming by-election on November 29th for his party colleague Padraig O'Sullivan. Give Kieran McCarthy,Mary-Rose Desmond or even Dan Boyle a shout, having dealt with him in a personal capacity he is decent enough. I'll drop him a tweet and tag Terry in it as well.

Maybe suggesting everyone contacts their chosen public representative rather than naming or sidelining certain people?

Cork Trucker · 17-11-2019 11:27AM

airy fairy wrote: »

Maybe suggesting everyone contacts their chosen public representative rather than naming or sidelining certain people?

That can be done as well, but as you know some politicians aren't helpful/some are. Each to their own of course. I have my preferences, others have theirs.

TheChizler · 17-11-2019 11:30AM

Heckler wrote: »

Every day this week these clowns have been causing crawling tailbacks because of their rubbernecking. First couple of days I thought there were accidents but no. Get past the flyover and its plain sailing again. Throw a low sun into the mix with everyone jamming on and its a disaster. Doesn't help with people not realising that driving into the sun the car in front is practically invisible if they don't have their lights on. I watch the cams on www.dunkettle.ie before leaving work from Glanmire and sure as **** from 4 onwards the tailback starts.

As someone posted earlier they need to put up a barrier to block off that section from the dim witted gawpers.

Started going out through Tivoli. Just as fast.

I don't know, there's always been a slowdown there where the road narrows regardless of what's going on in Douglas. Barriers could potentially make it worse as they would make the road seem even narrower.

Cork Trucker · 17-11-2019 11:32AM

TheChizler wrote: »

I don't know, there's always been a slowdown there where the road narrows regardless of what's going on in Douglas. Barriers could potentially make it worse as they would make the road seem even narrower.

The Bandon & Sarsfield Road flyovers both have barriers/screens, it's rare you'd hear of a crash there. Width should have nothing to do with it as long as the drivers can see the road around them and not external of that.

Markcheese · 17-11-2019 11:35AM

TheChizler wrote: »

I don't know, there's always been a slowdown there where the road narrows regardless of what's going on in Douglas. Barriers could potentially make it worse as they would make the road seem even narrower.

A temporary fence panel, with wind block fabric or similar, firmly attached to the bridge crash barrier would do it, and shouldn't really narrow the bridge... Although it may make it feel "tighter"

TheChizler · 17-11-2019 11:38AM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

The Bandon & Sarsfield Road flyovers both have barriers/screens, it's rare you'd hear of a crash there. Width should have nothing to do with it as long as the drivers can see the road around them and not external of that.

They're also particularly wide, with 3 lanes at Sarsfield and a hard shoulder at Bandon. Ideally width should have nothing to do with it but it's not unreasonable to slow down if cars are getting closer and closer to you. It's the ones that don't slow down when others do that cause the accidents...

Cork Trucker · 17-11-2019 11:42AM

TheChizler wrote: »

They're also particularly wide, with 3 lanes at Sarsfield and a hard shoulder at Bandon. Ideally width should have nothing to do with it but it's not unreasonable to slow down if cars are getting closer and closer to you. It's the ones that don't slow down when others do that cause the accidents...

Yup, all the rushing and racing to beat the cars along side and get to the top of the queue in places such as the bloomfield interchange where it merges onto the SRR heading for the flyover. Lets face it, it isn't the road that is creating the problems, it isn't the vehicles either, it's those in the driving seat, many of whom wouldn't know a rules of the road book if it was staring them in the face at this point.

TheChizler · 17-11-2019 11:46AM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Lets face it, it isn't the road that is creating the problems, it isn't the vehicles either, it's those in the driving seat, many of whom wouldn't know a rules of the road book if it was staring them in the face at this point.

Agreed, but unfortunately I don't think we're going to have much success changing people's behaviour directly, you have to design the environment to force them to change.

Cork Trucker · 17-11-2019 12:54PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Agreed, but unfortunately I don't think we're going to have much success changing people's behaviour directly, you have to design the environment to force them to change.

Spot on!

Cork Trucker · 17-11-2019 12:54PM

https://twitter.com/TerryTshannon/status/1196028016570306562?s=20

kub · 17-11-2019 06:10PM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TerryTshannon/status/1196028016570306562?s=20

If anyone wants to see the carry on for themselves, all they have to do is sit in their car in the Douglas Court car park opposite KFC and the idiocy is on the N40 Westbound is clear to be seen.

Well done on getting a response on Twitter, I hope they do something about it now rather than say it is not their responsibility and throw it back to the NRA.

Acosta · 17-11-2019 06:27PM

TheChizler wrote: »

Agreed, but unfortunately I don't think we're going to have much success changing people's behaviour directly, you have to design the environment to force them to change.

After driving for 20 years everyone should have to do a assessment and following that do the same everytime you need your licence renewed. I have to do it at work every 5 years and it's a good thing. Helps get rid of bad habbits. The RSA should look at something like that if only they could drag themselves away from blaming all the problems on the road on young people. There's way too much cars on the road and far too many awful drivers.

Mardyke · 17-11-2019 07:23PM

Acosta wrote: »

After driving for 20 years everyone should have to do a assessment and following that do the same everytime you need your licence renewed. I have to do it at work every 5 years and it's a good thing. Helps get rid of bad habbits. The RSA should look at something like that if only they could drag themselves away from blaming all the problems on the road on young people. There's way too much cars on the road and far too many awful drivers.

Take it a step further...

Have an online portal where the general public can submit photos of cars/drivers acting danderously or irresponsibly (parking on footpaths, breaking lights, the usual stuff...)...

The registration plate would link back to the driver. When it comes to insurance renewal time, the cost would be dictated by the level of danger that person is to others.

run_Forrest_run · 17-11-2019 08:07PM

Mardyke wrote: »

Take it a step further...

Have an online portal where the general public can submit photos of cars/drivers acting danderously or irresponsibly (parking on footpaths, breaking lights, the usual stuff...)...

The registration plate would link back to the driver. When it comes to insurance renewal tike, the cost would be dictated by the level of danger that person is to others.

brilliant idea and may work when playing Sims. Who is going to be viewing these photos and making a call on the level of danger the driver is posing? I like your idea though, maybe down the line with IoT and blockchain etc. we may see something like this putting manners on drivers.

Harika · 17-11-2019 10:38PM

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

brilliant idea and may work when playing Sims. Who is going to be viewing these photos and making a call on the level of danger the driver is posing? I like your idea though, maybe down the line with IoT and blockchain etc. we may see something like this putting manners on drivers.

There was a Facebook group until people started to take photos out of context, manipulating the shots or posing for fun. Can go horrible wrong

run_Forrest_run · 18-11-2019 09:15AM

Harika wrote: »

There was a Facebook group until people started to take photos out of context, manipulating the shots or posing for fun. Can go horrible wrong

exactly, that's what will happen without modding.

lawrencesummers · 18-11-2019 09:20AM

Acosta wrote: »

After driving for 20 years everyone should have to do a assessment and following that do the same everytime you need your licence renewed. I have to do it at work every 5 years and it's a good thing. Helps get rid of bad habbits. The RSA should look at something like that if only they could drag themselves away from blaming all the problems on the road on young people. There's way too much cars on the road and far too many awful drivers.

No they shouldn’t.
I’ve driven for over twenty years and never had an accident, never a penalty point, never stopped but the guards and always passed my NCT first time. I keep a safe car on the road and drive safely. Never driven a car after any alcohol regardless what the limit ever was, so no I don’t need to be tested again thanks.

Feel free to advocate for people who get a certain amount of penalty points to have a retest, or people who are caught speeding, breaking the rules etc etc, but there are plenty of safe drivers out there.

Cape Clear · 18-11-2019 09:48AM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TerryTshannon/status/1196028016570306562?s=20

Have the council got any power here given it's an NRA route?

Ludo · 18-11-2019 09:56AM

Cape Clear wrote: »

Have the council got any power here given it's an NRA route?

The road by Tesco is closed for the works. They could put up a barrier there without nra input and it wouldn't make the road feel narrower either as it could be set back from it. Just attach a fabric type shield to the car park itself even to block it off.

dulpit · 18-11-2019 10:45AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No they shouldn’t.
I’ve driven for over twenty years and never had an accident, never a penalty point, never stopped but the guards and always passed my NCT first time. I keep a safe car on the road and drive safely. Never driven a car after any alcohol regardless what the limit ever was, so no I don’t need to be tested again thanks.

Feel free to advocate for people who get a certain amount of penalty points to have a retest, or people who are caught speeding, breaking the rules etc etc, but there are plenty of safe drivers out there.

Just because you think you're a good driver doesn't necessarily mean you are. Similarly, just because you don't have points/etc it still doesn't mean you have top skills.

In a sense, it's a bit weird that you can drive a car with 1 test that you might take at 17/18 years of age, and then you're never tested again.

kub · 18-11-2019 11:18AM

Ludo wrote: »

The road by Tesco is closed for the works. They could put up a barrier there without nra input and it wouldn't make the road feel narrower either as it could be set back from it. Just attach a fabric type shield to the car park itself even to block it off.

That is a private road

Cork Trucker · 18-11-2019 11:20AM

kub wrote: »

That is a private road

I didn’t think such a road like that was permitted, as in the way it’s used, how did the council allow it? Turning a car park into a private road but that the public can use without restriction except in a case like this

kub · 18-11-2019 11:26AM

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I didn’t think such a road like that was permitted, as in the way it’s used, how did the council allow it? Turning a car park into a private road but that the public can use without restriction except in a case like this

Don't ask me, I suppose the road was built on a normal surface car park that was owned by the shopping centre.

It is amazing how freely the traffic is moving now in the village with it closed.
Dare I hope that the City Council might apply some restrictions to the road when it re opens.

Fire in Douglas - See Mod note in post #506

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